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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on February 14, 2010, 01:34:55 PM
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Say I have holy grail active and I go in with Woman at the Well and pull an ec out. Am I able to use HG on it before it goes into battle?
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Yeah.
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Yep. That's the sweetest combo with WatW ^_^
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I'm gonna say no.
Holy Grail is phrased exactly like 'I am Creator' which was recently ruled to only work exactly when activated.
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Hey,
Holy Grail is phrased exactly like 'I am Creator' which was recently ruled to only work exactly when activated.
Holy Grail is an optional ability, I am Creator is not which in this case is a very significant difference.
Alex and Browarod are correct.
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
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Holy Grail must be used when activated (see I am Creator ruling)
The ability is optional, but optional does not equal ongoing. You ethier use it when activated or forfeit the ability to use it that turn.
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Holy crud its Bany.
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Oh well, at least the PTB is spending time on the rulings that matter to us and not the "what is an abilifier" question. Oh wait.
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so who is right, bany or maly?
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Well, beings Bany's last three posts have been on old threads regarding the same ruling, one could assume that he received word from [insert ruler] about this issue, and is sharing the news.
So Bany.
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Actually I tried to do that WatW + HG against him at the tourney today, and he disagreed with the ruling :)
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I was wondering why that came up so suddenly. I hate to be stubborn, but can we have some other PTBs chime in to verify this new ruling. This is a rather significant change from the way some of us have been playing Holy Grail all this time (as evidenced by Maly's quote). We have State tournaments already under way and this just pops up out of nowhere? That's not good form.
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Bryon said that Holy Grail had to be used when activated yesterday during Booster.
Go get Largent and berkenpas on this. and ROB! i'm not takeing this until everyone agrees.
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You know, it may have actually been Kurt or Ben that said that, now that I'm thinking about it. Ignore what I said for now.
[edit] Ok, I was obviously wrong in saying that Bryon ruled that way. Please ignore me.
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This is a rather significant change from the way some of us have been playing Holy Grail all this time (as evidenced by Maly's quote HG's errata).
Fixed it for you, YMT. ;)
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Since there's three threads and I want to make sure this gets addressed, I'll post my response in all three threads:
If optional abilities MUST be used when they are activated in the prep phase, then please tell me how ANY of the following work?
Holy Grail: Holder may convert one human evil character per turn into a Hero in the brigade color of holder's choice. Holder is limited to two such conversions per game.
Unsucessful: Negate the last good Enhancement played in battle (may be used once).
Covenant of Noah: Use as an enhancement or an Artifact. Interrupt and prevent one evil enhancement. Discard after use.
Go into Captivity: If your warrior class Evil Character is in battle, you may discard this card to capture a Hero.
Unholy Writ: A human Hero in battle may be taken prisoner. Discard Artifact after use.
I am Healing: Holder may heal all of holder’s Heroes in play. May be used twice. (how can this be used as an artifact if it only activates during your prep phase?)
I am Love: If a human Evil Character (except warrior class) is blocking your Hero, interrupt the battle and search discard pile for a white brigade enhancement with “ignore” in the special ability and play it. Limit once per turn. (How can this be used if it only activates once?)
The ability is optional, but optional does not equal ongoing. You ethier use it when activated or forfeit the ability to use it that turn.
The REG says otherwise about artifacts:
Artifact
An artifact is a card having a continuing effect in the game. A grail icon in the icon box shows the card is an artifact.
So artifacts are by nature, constantly ongoing.
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per the other thread:
having been given the Covenant of Noah example, I agree with the ruling (as confirmed by Bryon) that optional artifacts don't have to be used when activated
thank
in Him
Chris
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But if we can use grail in that fashon T1 is too simple to win, and you never need initative.
resuces:
1) SoG
2) NJ
3) AotL
4) HG
5) HG
Please let me know if this is wrong.
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It's wrong because HG can't be used on a character in battle - It's errata reads "Convert one character in a territory"
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okay, thanks.
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women at the well became my new anti phillies card good by caleb.