Author Topic: question abotu initiative (Read 5979 times)

crustpope · « **on:** April 21, 2009, 04:34:38 PM »

can a player interrupt an conversion to play confusion and then become converted?

also do weapon class enhancements convert with their charachter

ie do 2khorses convert with their charachter to blue when convereted?

Arch Angel · « **Reply #1 on:** April 21, 2009, 04:38:18 PM »

Assuming the conversion card can be Interrupted, then yes.

crustpope · « **Reply #2 on:** April 21, 2009, 04:38:37 PM »

need an answer pretty soon because i am in RTS

crustpope · « **Reply #3 on:** April 21, 2009, 04:41:16 PM »

Quote from: Archangel withabunchofnumbersontheend on April 21, 2009, 04:38:18 PM

Assuming the conversion card can be Interrupted, then yes.

so you can interrupt the convert, play confusion and then turn blue? I always thought that you had to deal with the converstion/discard/capture instead of just firing off one last enhancement

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #4 on:** April 21, 2009, 04:42:57 PM »

The rulebook just says that the only card that can be played is an interrupt. It does not specify that cards played during the interrupt have to stop the removal.

The Schaef · « **Reply #5 on:** April 21, 2009, 04:44:03 PM »

No, matt, you can do whatever you want while you're interrupting, because the new effect is placing itself in front of the old. It's just that if you don't stop the conversion, then it's interrupt, do the other thing, and then you get converted.

It's similar to if someone plays Words or Reach. By themselves, they don't stop the conversion. They interrupt, draw, and you get to play next. If you don't have another card to play after that literal reach of desperation, then you can't do anything else and you lose the battle. But you still got to draw in the meantime.

crustpope · « **Reply #6 on:** April 21, 2009, 04:44:27 PM »

OK can someone answer the second question up there too?

does 2k horses convert with the converted EC?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #7 on:** April 21, 2009, 04:45:12 PM »

Instant Abilities > Convert > Default Conditions

• Weapon-class enhancements stay with a converted character; the special ability continues to function if it does not conflict with the nature of the converted character (see Weapon-class Enhancements in the rulebook [p. 35].

The Schaef · « **Reply #8 on:** April 21, 2009, 04:45:36 PM »

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If a warrior is converted, weapons remain on the character. The special ability on the weapon continues to function provided it does not conflict with the nature of a Hero or Evil Character.

crustpope · « **Reply #9 on:** April 21, 2009, 04:47:12 PM »

ok thanks

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #10 on:** April 21, 2009, 05:23:39 PM »

I know that Chris rules it this way but here's the scenario
Lydia rescues has a discard played against her.
Lydia interupts with Reach, plays something random.
At this point lydia is again losing by removal, can she play Words of encouragement? or any other interupt?
Chris rules yes - is that official or just something quirky that we do in rochester?

sk · « **Reply #11 on:** April 21, 2009, 06:00:37 PM »

There was talk about limiting to one interrupt to stop a removal, but I'm pretty sure it got shot down.

BTW, note that Lydia can't play a purple enhancement if her ongoing ability is interrupted.

STAMP · « **Reply #12 on:** April 21, 2009, 06:15:55 PM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on April 21, 2009, 05:23:39 PM

I know that Chris rules it this way but here's the scenario
Lydia rescues has a discard played against her.
Lydia interupts with Reach, plays something random.
At this point lydia is again losing by removal, can she play Words of encouragement? or any other interupt?
Chris rules yes - is that official or just something quirky that we do in rochester?

It's the same in the NW. You can play multiple interrupts if you continue to be losing by removal.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #13 on:** April 21, 2009, 06:25:07 PM »

That doesn't make any sense. You have initative to interrupt, so you do. You didn't stop the removal, so you are removed. Granting unlimited interrupts seems abusive.

Scottie_ffgamer · « **Reply #14 on:** April 21, 2009, 06:37:39 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on April 21, 2009, 06:25:07 PM

That doesn't make any sense. You have initative to interrupt, so you do. You didn't stop the removal, so you are removed. Granting unlimited interrupts seems abusive.

Why's that? The interrupt is finished - the interrupt and the ability of whatever other card you played have been placed in front of the removal - so the removal kicks back in. What's wrong with giving you another chance to interrupt it if you can?

Arch Angel · « **Reply #15 on:** April 21, 2009, 07:26:59 PM »

Once the first interrupt stops you're still losing by removal, so by all rights you should be able to interrupt again.

FresnoRedemption · « **Reply #16 on:** April 21, 2009, 07:30:09 PM »

I would think you could use as many interrupts as you have in your hand. After all, if you're blocking with a 1/1 Evil Character, and your opponent has a 9/9 Hero, even though you'll be losing by the numbers for awhile, you're still free to interrupt the battle as many times as you can/want. Why would losing by removal be any different?

Bryon · « **Reply #17 on:** April 21, 2009, 07:40:20 PM »

You didn't stop the removal, so you are still losing by removal. So, you can play another interrupt.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #18 on:** April 21, 2009, 08:06:59 PM »

Obviously everyone agrees and plays it that way, so I am the lone dissenter. However, it seems that the idea behind "last gasp" interrupts is that you get one chance to do something. You can try to stop the removal, but otherwise you just go down swinging.

You should only get one "last chance" IMO.

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #19 on:** April 21, 2009, 09:08:36 PM »

YMT -

What if your "last chance" is thwarted without being negated?

Example:
RA with Peter, blocked by Leviathan. Freedom to remove Leviathan, Dream + Coliseum Lions to interrupt and discard Peter, Walking on Water to give Peter immunity. Leviathan's still losing by the same removal, so can another interrupt be played?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #20 on:** April 21, 2009, 10:38:35 PM »

I was thinking more from the idea of a "last chance" initiative. In the scenario you described, initiative passes back to me because my opponent played cards.

FresnoRedemption · « **Reply #21 on:** April 21, 2009, 11:00:26 PM »

Initiative only passes from one to the other in the case of a stalemate or mutual destruction. If he hasn't negated the card removing him, then your opponent is still losing by removal and still has initiative.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #22 on:** April 21, 2009, 11:03:49 PM »

Initiative passed to me when Freedom was played.
Initiative passed back to my opponent when I played Dream and Coliseum Lions.
Initiative passed back to me when my opponent played Walking on Water.

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #23 on:** April 21, 2009, 11:48:56 PM »

How often does the multiple interrupt scenario come up anyway? I'd think it's not very often, and rewriting the rule to limit it to one interrupt seems tedious.

Also, in the scenario I presented, could the defender play Treachery of Jezebel (Crimson's negate last)? Freedom is causing the removal and Treachery of Jezebel wouldn't target it, but would negate it indirectly by negating Walking on Water.

The Schaef · « **Reply #24 on:** April 22, 2009, 07:35:12 AM »

Negating Walking on Water would cancel out Peter's immunity, which means that Coliseum Lions would discard him before the Freedom card could have its effect, just like before it was played.

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