Author Topic: Protection vs Immunity (Read 7849 times)

Smokey · « **Reply #25 on:** August 24, 2010, 11:03:07 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 24, 2010, 10:58:03 AM

Or 26/CBNIMMUNE

Now you're just making stuff up.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #26 on:** August 24, 2010, 11:05:52 AM »

... theres no 7 offense gold enhancement with no SA.

Bryon · « **Reply #27 on:** August 24, 2010, 11:25:33 AM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on August 24, 2010, 10:35:36 AM

Quote from: RTSmaniac on August 24, 2010, 10:21:47 AM
Cannot be interrupted.

can this be prevented? or negated? and how?

Heroes with CBI status can be prevented/negated by cards like Confusion of Mind, Image of Jealousy, Destructive Sin, etc.

Part of the "etc." is Satan's Seat.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #28 on:** August 24, 2010, 11:29:56 AM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 24, 2010, 11:05:52 AM

... theres no 7 offense gold enhancement with no SA.

Your right. It's 28. I can't remember the proper numbers, my bad. Though it does have an SA

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #29 on:** August 24, 2010, 12:00:04 PM »

yeah, and thats not an optional ability, so it nukes Samson anyway.

SirNobody · « **Reply #30 on:** August 24, 2010, 12:32:20 PM »

Hey,

In case there's any remaining confusion about the original question. Red Dragon's immunity does not target Thaddeus. Red Dragon's immunity does target Red Dragon. Thaddeus protect Red Dragon from Red Dragon, so Red Dragon cannot target Red Dragon with Red Dragon's immune ability.

Thus the immune ability would not work; not because Thaddeus is protected from it, but because Thaddeus protects the evil character from it.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #31 on:** August 24, 2010, 12:59:46 PM »

The moral of the story: Satan's Seat is actually useful now

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #32 on:** August 24, 2010, 01:19:36 PM »

Another question:

If i use Bulletproof Samson (nonpromo for this example), and my opponent blocks with Abimelech, is Samson protected from ignore?

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #33 on:** August 24, 2010, 01:26:02 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 24, 2010, 01:19:36 PM

Another question:

If i use Bulletproof Samson (nonpromo for this example), and my opponent blocks with Abimelech, is Samson protected from ignore?

I would say yes.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #34 on:** August 24, 2010, 01:33:34 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on August 24, 2010, 12:59:46 PM

The moral of the story: Satan's Seat is actually useful now

Which means so are the sites that protect Evil Cards from Dragon Raid...

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 24, 2010, 01:19:36 PM

Another question:

If i use Bulletproof Samson (nonpromo for this example), and my opponent blocks with Abimelech, is Samson protected from ignore?

Yes and no. He can't be ignored in the sense that Abimelech is winning outright, giving Samson initiative. But Abimelech still gets the part of ignore that protects him from Samson. So it's a stalemate, where neither can affect the other, unless Samson interrupts the ignore.

crustpope · « **Reply #35 on:** August 24, 2010, 02:44:16 PM »

This is going to get Complicated.... $:-\$

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #36 on:** August 24, 2010, 03:38:54 PM »

Quote from: SirNobody on August 24, 2010, 12:32:20 PM

Hey,

In case there's any remaining confusion about the original question. Red Dragon's immunity does not target Thaddeus. Red Dragon's immunity does target Red Dragon. Thaddeus protect Red Dragon from Red Dragon, so Red Dragon cannot target Red Dragon with Red Dragon's immune ability. Thus the immune ability would not work; not because Thaddeus is protected from it, but because Thaddeus protects the evil character from it.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Does Thaddeus protect my opponent from being able to band in an evil character? Assuming the condition are met.
And anyways, how does red dragon target himself? I thought the ability just activated. Furthermore I don't understand how a character can be protected from something that is not hurting him.

Master_Chi · « **Reply #37 on:** August 24, 2010, 07:28:27 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on August 24, 2010, 05:13:30 AM

Quote from: Minister Polarius on August 24, 2010, 01:59:17 AM
No. Immunity doesn't target the other character. You'd still need to use...~~well, pretty much any of Green's useful battle-winners~~ Blessing of Joshua.

The question was about Samson. Some people think a 12/6 bulletproof character is better than a 7/4 bulletproof character with a better special ability and more versatile enhancements. Shhh...

Also, Polarius is right about immunity. Philistine Garrison could still block a bulletproof Samson and be immune. Immunity only targets the immune character.

As to the original question, I am becoming more and more convinced that Thaddeus would protect immune characters from becoming immune, since you can't target protected cards. So yeah, Thaddeus is crazy good.

I believe I finally have a viable offense for purple.

D10N · « **Reply #38 on:** August 24, 2010, 07:39:42 PM »

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Quote from: SirNobody on August 24, 2010, 05:32:20 PM
Hey,

In case there's any remaining confusion about the original question. Red Dragon's immunity does not target Thaddeus. Red Dragon's immunity does target Red Dragon. Thaddeus protect Red Dragon from Red Dragon, so Red Dragon cannot target Red Dragon with Red Dragon's immune ability. Smiley Thus the immune ability would not work; not because Thaddeus is protected from it, but because Thaddeus protects the evil character from it.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Does Thaddeus protect my opponent from being able to band in an evil character? Assuming the condition are met.
And anyways, how does red dragon target himself? I thought the ability just activated. Furthermore I don't understand how a character can be protected from something that is not hurting him.

I agree that there's something fishy about a card being protected from its own ability. If Thaddeus was blocked by an evil character with a drawing ability, would Thaddeus protect his opponent's deck from having cards drawn from it by the evil character? By this logic, it seems like it would, but it seems ludicrous.

IMHO, the purpose of protect abilities should be to shield a card from harmful abilities, not to serve as a twisted form of negate, where a card is protected from its own ability even activating.

Master_Chi · « **Reply #39 on:** August 24, 2010, 07:44:53 PM »

Quote from: D10N on August 24, 2010, 07:39:42 PM

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Quote from: SirNobody on August 24, 2010, 05:32:20 PM
Hey,

In case there's any remaining confusion about the original question. Red Dragon's immunity does not target Thaddeus. Red Dragon's immunity does target Red Dragon. Thaddeus protect Red Dragon from Red Dragon, so Red Dragon cannot target Red Dragon with Red Dragon's immune ability. Smiley Thus the immune ability would not work; not because Thaddeus is protected from it, but because Thaddeus protects the evil character from it.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Does Thaddeus protect my opponent from being able to band in an evil character? Assuming the condition are met.
And anyways, how does red dragon target himself? I thought the ability just activated. Furthermore I don't understand how a character can be protected from something that is not hurting him.
I agree that there's something fishy about a card being protected from its own ability. If Thaddeus was blocked by an evil character with a drawing ability, would Thaddeus protect his opponent's deck from having cards drawn from it by the evil character? By this logic, it seems like it would, but it seems ludicrous.

IMHO, the purpose of protect abilities should be to shield a card from harmful abilities, not to serve as a twisted form of negate, where a card is protected from its own ability even activating.

It is not Ludicrous, it is just a T-Pain in the butt.

slugfencer · « **Reply #40 on:** September 24, 2010, 04:54:54 PM »

Quote from: D10N on August 24, 2010, 07:39:42 PM

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Quote from: SirNobody on August 24, 2010, 05:32:20 PM
Hey,

In case there's any remaining confusion about the original question. Red Dragon's immunity does not target Thaddeus. Red Dragon's immunity does target Red Dragon. Thaddeus protect Red Dragon from Red Dragon, so Red Dragon cannot target Red Dragon with Red Dragon's immune ability. Smiley Thus the immune ability would not work; not because Thaddeus is protected from it, but because Thaddeus protects the evil character from it.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Does Thaddeus protect my opponent from being able to band in an evil character? Assuming the condition are met.
And anyways, how does red dragon target himself? I thought the ability just activated. Furthermore I don't understand how a character can be protected from something that is not hurting him.
I agree that there's something fishy about a card being protected from its own ability. If Thaddeus was blocked by an evil character with a drawing ability, would Thaddeus protect his opponent's deck from having cards drawn from it by the evil character? By this logic, it seems like it would, but it seems ludicrous.

IMHO, the purpose of protect abilities should be to shield a card from harmful abilities, not to serve as a twisted form of negate, where a card is protected from its own ability even activating.

I agree with Dion's post above here. Thad confuses me alot. Please help me understand this.
I was gonna ask a question about Thad so I just decided to add it to this post since it seems related.

Opponent attacks with Thad-11 disciples in play.
I block with Judas, My initiative. I play Midianite attack. Opponent plays AOTL. Judas dies because of Thad's "protecting himself from his own evil ability?? Even though Judas is CBN??" Help??

Thanks in advance for helping me make sense outta this.

Thaddeus (Di)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: 8 / 8 • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect all cards in play, set-aside area, Artifact piles, hands, and decks from Evil Characters with toughness X or less. Cannot be interrupted. • Identifiers: NT Male Human, Disciple x=# of good disciples in play

Judas Iscariot (Pi)
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Crimson • Ability: 6 / 6 • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect this evil character from convert and discard abilities on opponent’s cards while he remains in play. Cannot be negated. • Identifiers: NT Male Human, Disciple

Midianite Attack (Pa)
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Crimson • Ability: 1 / 5 • Class: None • Special Ability: All special abilities except banding on characters and enhancements except this one are negated.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #41 on:** September 24, 2010, 06:54:39 PM »

Assuming Judas hadn't entered battle against you before, yes, AotL would kill him.

ChristianSoldier · « **Reply #42 on:** September 26, 2010, 01:31:44 AM »

Does protecting from an evil character also protect from enhancements played on them? I seem to remember a discussion where that was stated as one of the differences between protect and immune, but I'm not sure.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #43 on:** September 26, 2010, 11:24:24 PM »

Quote from: ChristianSoldier on September 26, 2010, 01:31:44 AM

Does protecting from an evil character also protect from enhancements played on them? I seem to remember a discussion where that was stated as one of the differences between protect and immune, but I'm not sure.

Yes.

SirNobody · « **Reply #44 on:** September 30, 2010, 02:17:08 PM »

Hey,

Quote from: ChristianSoldier on September 26, 2010, 01:31:44 AM

Does protecting from an evil character also protect from enhancements played on them? I seem to remember a discussion where that was stated as one of the differences between protect and immune, but I'm not sure.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! * goes screaming and yelling to fight with Bryon *

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Smokey · « **Reply #45 on:** September 30, 2010, 04:25:34 PM »

Quote from: SirNobody on September 30, 2010, 02:17:08 PM

Hey,

Quote from: ChristianSoldier on September 26, 2010, 01:31:44 AM
Does protecting from an evil character also protect from enhancements played on them? I seem to remember a discussion where that was stated as one of the differences between protect and immune, but I'm not sure.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! * goes screaming and yelling to fight with Bryon *

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Wut...

lightningninja · « **Reply #46 on:** September 30, 2010, 06:12:00 PM »

Wait wait wait... you're protecting, but that doesn't include immunity, right? Doesn't protect mean protection from harm, by nature? And immune is not harm.

And yeah, of course you can't target Thaddeus with enhancements used on characters he's ignoring. But if you let them get out 11 Disciples, you deserve to lose.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #47 on:** September 30, 2010, 06:45:39 PM »

Quote from: lightningninja on September 30, 2010, 06:12:00 PM

Wait wait wait... you're protecting, but that doesn't include immunity, right? Doesn't protect mean protection from harm, by nature? And immune is not harm.

protect means cannot be targeted. immune targets themselves.

Master_Chi · « **Reply #48 on:** September 30, 2010, 06:46:49 PM »

Quote from: lightningninja on September 30, 2010, 06:12:00 PM

Wait wait wait... you're protecting, but that doesn't include immunity, right? Doesn't protect mean protection from harm, by nature? And immune is not harm.

And yeah, of course you can't target Thaddeus with enhancements used on characters he's ignoring. But if you let them get out 11 Disciples, you deserve to lose.

It's easier than you think to get them out... Don't be so quick to judge.

lightningninja · « **Reply #49 on:** September 30, 2010, 07:46:50 PM »

Eh... maybe. But then you have your Emperor Augustus, ready to go.

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Author Topic: Protection vs Immunity (Read 7849 times)

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