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Title: Protect vs Losing by Numbers
Post by: JDS on July 29, 2013, 08:22:50 AM
What's the current ruling on that?
Title: Re: Protect vs Losing by Numbers
Post by: Captain Kirk on July 29, 2013, 08:47:03 AM
A stalemate if neither player has another card to play.

Kirk
Title: Re: Protect vs Losing by Numbers
Post by: Chris on July 29, 2013, 11:10:31 AM
Protect protects from the numbers. The REG is 100% accurate.
Title: Re: Protect vs Losing by Numbers
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on July 29, 2013, 11:19:42 AM
Protect protects from the numbers. The REG is 100% accurate.

I disagree:

http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/ruling-questions/thaddeus-versus-foreign-wives/msg512652/#msg512652 (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/ruling-questions/thaddeus-versus-foreign-wives/msg512652/#msg512652)

That discussion never really came to a conclusion, but my point still stands. The REG clearly states that protection from cards ONLY protects from special abilities.

In order to be protected from numbers, you must be protected from discard.
Title: Re: Protect vs Losing by Numbers
Post by: Chris on July 29, 2013, 11:34:24 AM
I disagree:

http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/ruling-questions/thaddeus-versus-foreign-wives/msg512652/#msg512652 (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/ruling-questions/thaddeus-versus-foreign-wives/msg512652/#msg512652)

That discussion never really came to a conclusion, but my point still stands. The REG clearly states that protection from cards ONLY protects from special abilities.

In order to be protected from numbers, you must be protected from discard.

I said REG I meant this thread (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/redemption-official-rules/rule-clarifications-additions-and-edits/msg434384/#msg434384), which has never been overturned and is the current ruling, whether or not you disagree.
Title: Re: Protect vs Losing by Numbers
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on July 29, 2013, 11:37:57 AM
Yay for conflicting rule sources!
Title: Re: Protect vs Losing by Numbers
Post by: Chris on July 29, 2013, 11:42:48 AM
The REG is wrong. Two Elders in the thread you posted agreed that protection applies to numbers.
Title: Re: Protect vs Losing by Numbers
Post by: YourMathTeacher on July 29, 2013, 11:49:29 AM
I agree with Chris that the status quo is that Protection protects from numbers. Some of us have been debating for a change, but that has not come yet.
Title: Re: Protect vs Losing by Numbers
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on July 29, 2013, 11:54:12 AM
I had totally forgotten about that thread, so I do agree with you Chris (as much as I don't like that ruling in the first place). It just bugs me when we have two rule sources in conflict like this.
Title: Re: Protect vs Losing by Numbers
Post by: JDS on July 29, 2013, 04:14:37 PM
What about negate? Does "negate the last enhancement" take away the numbers as well as the special ability?
Title: Re: Protect vs Losing by Numbers
Post by: Captain Kirk on July 29, 2013, 04:33:34 PM
What about negate? Does "negate the last enhancement" take away the numbers as well as the special ability?

No - just the ability.

Kirk
Title: Re: Protect vs Losing by Numbers
Post by: YourMathTeacher on July 29, 2013, 08:14:29 PM
What about negate? Does "negate the last enhancement" take away the numbers as well as the special ability?

Annnnnndddddd...... that's the other part of the argument from the previous thread related to this topic.  ;D

Negate used to also negate the numbers if it said to negate the "enhancement" or "card." But, that is the rule that was changed. I was hoping we would do the same for Protection. I was arguing that they should be ruled the same, but that will not likely happen.  :-\
Title: Re: Protect vs Losing by Numbers
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on July 30, 2013, 10:14:49 AM
Dear to whom it may concern,

This is why we need to have an "Advanced Rules" rulebook, (which will NEVER happen) b\c there are too many instances of ruling questions and conflicting rulings.

From,
A very upset customer

The new rulebook even mentions one, but I have yet to see it.
Title: Re: Protect vs Losing by Numbers
Post by: Noah on July 30, 2013, 10:54:21 AM
Dear to whom it may concern,

This is why we need to have an "Advanced Rules" rulebook, (which will NEVER happen) b\c there are too many instances of ruling questions and conflicting rulings.

From,
A very upset customer

The new rulebook even mentions one, but I have yet to see it.

That's probably cause if they where to print it would resemble an encyclopedia more then a rule book.
Title: Re: Protect vs Losing by Numbers
Post by: EmJayBee83 on August 05, 2013, 12:30:21 AM
Dear to whom it may concern,

This is why we need to have an "Advanced Rules" rulebook, (which will NEVER happen) b\c there are too many instances of ruling questions and conflicting rulings.

From,
A very upset customer

The new rulebook even mentions one, but I have yet to see it.

That's probably cause if they where to print it would resemble an encyclopedia more then a rule book.
I think all you would need is something like the following...

(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg11.imageshack.us%2Fimg11%2F2778%2F2u7.png&hash=a3036fe0bb068e34c40cb32a909a02a93a80d910)

embedded in the appropriate places of the rulebooks that went out with the new starter.

How awesome would it have been to have that actually shipped as part of the starter set?


P.S. Yes-it actually works.
Title: Re: Protect vs Losing by Numbers
Post by: TheJaylor on August 05, 2013, 10:11:04 AM
Dear to whom it may concern,

This is why we need to have an "Advanced Rules" rulebook, (which will NEVER happen) b\c there are too many instances of ruling questions and conflicting rulings.

From,
A very upset customer

The new rulebook even mentions one, but I have yet to see it.

That's probably cause if they where to print it would resemble an encyclopedia more then a rule book.
I think all you would need is something like the following...

(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg11.imageshack.us%2Fimg11%2F2778%2F2u7.png&hash=a3036fe0bb068e34c40cb32a909a02a93a80d910)

embedded in the appropriate places of the rulebooks that went out with the new starter.

How awesome would it have been to have that actually shipped as part of the starter set?


P.S. Yes-it actually works.
Yeah, but some people (like me) don't have smart phones and it makes that difficult to decode. Luckily I read QR and know what it says.  ::)
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