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Re: Priestly Breastplate...
« Reply #50 on: May 04, 2010, 08:01:22 PM »
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I'm just worried that people not on the boards will come to some high level tournament and get this ruling pulled on them.  They will be COMPLETELY miffed b/c the spirit of the card seems like it would let you have another art up.
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Re: Priestly Breastplate...
« Reply #51 on: May 04, 2010, 08:39:42 PM »
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So, I am just wondering if it would be possible to modify the rule somewhat, to make it more consistent with how people have always played it?

So the current rule is:

Each turn, with all active artifacts, you have to deactivate the current artifact in that location, and either
a) Activate a new one, or leave none active in that location
b) Reactivate the same artifact in that location (if allowed by the SA of that location or the location is the Art pile).

What if we added:
c) Keep that artifact active in that location.

That way, Artifacts that say "On activation, do X" can be done every turn using option b). Artifacts that have ongoing abilities, like Priestly Breastplate, can be kept where they are using option c).

This way, there's no errata, there's just a slight rule change that reflects how most people think of the rules regarding artifacts anyway.



Next, maybe we can get errata for Split Altar. That was a huge mistake by the playtesters, and they should apologize for it. It's really inexcusable.  ;)
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Re: Priestly Breastplate...
« Reply #52 on: May 04, 2010, 09:12:22 PM »
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I agree with the other Prof on this one.  ;D I think that'd make an amazing rule! Honestly I don't see a downside.
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Re: Priestly Breastplate...
« Reply #53 on: May 04, 2010, 09:53:02 PM »
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Wow, I never thought a simple question on the boards would bring up such debates, Lol  ;)
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Re: Priestly Breastplate...
« Reply #54 on: May 04, 2010, 10:54:15 PM »
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So let me get this straight...
According to the current rule, every time my turn comes up in a game, all my artifacts are deactived? even ones in a temple?
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Re: Priestly Breastplate...
« Reply #55 on: May 04, 2010, 11:01:12 PM »
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Yes. But they can be immediately reactivated if you choose. So there really is no window of time when they are deactivated, but the rule allows you to use cards like I am Holy (which says on activation) every turn, instead of deactivating it on one turn, and reactivating it the next turn to use it again.

My amendment would simply allow you to keep an Artifact activated at all times if you choose, so that Priestly Breastplate could be used as intended.
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Re: Priestly Breastplate...
« Reply #56 on: May 04, 2010, 11:07:58 PM »
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My amendment would simply allow you to keep an Artifact activated at all times if you choose, so that Priestly Breastplate could be used as intended.
Until this question was asked, I just assumed this was an option. This would be cool, because you could keep limited use artifacts active without them counting as a use. We could also then redefine "use" to make Assyria's Tribute cool like it should be. Cool...
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Re: Priestly Breastplate...
« Reply #57 on: May 05, 2010, 10:23:43 AM »
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Each turn, with all active artifacts, you have to deactivate the current artifact in that location, and either
a) Activate a new one, or leave none active in that location
b) Reactivate the same artifact in that location (if allowed by the SA of that location or the location is the Art pile).

What if we added:
c) Keep that artifact active in that location.
Until a few days ago, that's how I thought it worked anyway...So that sounds great to me. ;)

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Re: Priestly Breastplate...
« Reply #58 on: May 05, 2010, 01:32:45 PM »
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Dear Playtesters,
Please give us an errata to make us useful.  :'(
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Priestly Breastplate
and Split Alter
I'm sorry that card was not worded correctly.
I appreciate Bryon's apology here, and encourage everyone to stop being upset about Split Altar.  Yes it was a mistake, but they have admitted it and apologized.  There is no reason to keep bringing it up.  Let's just move on.

I appreciate the apology as well, even though I don't think it's necessary. I think playtesters do an awesome job considering they aren't even paid for it. I expect mistakes in games since that's just the way it is. I honestly don't mind it when cards are given errata/play as, if it actually makes them worthwhile to use, as in these 2 cases. I understand the other position of wanting the cards to play as they read. That is ideal, especially when trying to teach the game to my kids. But the cat's outta the bag.
We do have an errata/play as list, so why not add these 2 cards to it? Split altar and Priestly breastplate asked me again about it last nite. (athough it was kinda muffled because they were in card protectors.)  :laugh:
Anyways, My sons are used to me saying, "yea, I know it doesn't say that in the card, but that's how we play it."   :D

PS
I wasn't upset about split altar. Split altar was upset about it.  :P

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Re: Priestly Breastplate...
« Reply #59 on: May 05, 2010, 01:51:12 PM »
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I think it's silly that a card that targets opponent's artifacts in general do not target artifact piles, because you know that all the cards in your opponent's artifact pile are artifacts (unless he is cheating). I don't think face-down cards should be considered out of play; it doesn't make much sense to me. I mean, obviously you shouldn't be able to target a card for characteristics which you are not sure it has, but you should be able to target it for those you are. For example, if a card says "Discard a male hero," you should be able to discard an Ambush'd hero, but if it says "Discard a red hero," obviously, you should not. :2cents:
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Re: Priestly Breastplate...
« Reply #60 on: May 05, 2010, 06:39:05 PM »
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Each turn, with all active artifacts, you have to deactivate the current artifact in that location, and either
a) Activate a new one, or leave none active in that location
b) Reactivate the same artifact in that location (if allowed by the SA of that location or the location is the Art pile).

What if we added:
c) Keep that artifact active in that location.
Until a few days ago, that's how I thought it worked anyway...So that sounds great to me. ;)

Same here. I played by keeping them active until I deactivated them. So I totally support Amendment AA (Artifact Activation, Lol  ;))
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Re: Priestly Breastplate...
« Reply #61 on: May 05, 2010, 06:40:51 PM »
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I think it's silly that a card that targets opponent's artifacts in general do not target artifact piles, because you know that all the cards in your opponent's artifact pile are artifacts (unless he is cheating).

But are curses in the artifact pile renamed as artifacts?
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Re: Priestly Breastplate...
« Reply #62 on: May 05, 2010, 06:47:09 PM »
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I think it's silly that a card that targets opponent's artifacts in general do not target artifact piles, because you know that all the cards in your opponent's artifact pile are artifacts (unless he is cheating).

But are curses in the artifact pile renamed as artifacts?

Yes. When they are on the Artifact pile, they can be targeted by any card that targets artifacts, as well as any card that targets Curses. So you can use DoN on a curse, and you can also use Phinehas' Spear. However, they CANNOT be targeted as enhancements when they are activated on your artifact pile, nor targeted as artifacts when they are used in battle. They can always be targeted as Curses however.
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Re: Priestly Breastplate...
« Reply #63 on: May 05, 2010, 08:45:35 PM »
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would a solution to being activaited every turn be this?

every turn to keep an artifact active you would have to pay an upkeep price.  That price is one counter.  A card  that has no limit on usage(infinate usage), would not be effected but it would allow them to be kept active indefinaitley on a hero or on what ever.  A 2 ussage art afact would only be allowed to 2 counters before discarded.   

For all practical purposes there would be no need to put counters on the artifacts but it allows an explination that allows the change without changing limit use artficats. 

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Re: Priestly Breastplate...
« Reply #64 on: May 06, 2010, 08:34:55 PM »
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I think it's silly that a card that targets opponent's artifacts in general do not target artifact piles, because you know that all the cards in your opponent's artifact pile are artifacts (unless he is cheating).

But are curses in the artifact pile renamed as artifacts?

Yes. When they are on the Artifact pile, they can be targeted by any card that targets artifacts, as well as any card that targets Curses. So you can use DoN on a curse, and you can also use Phinehas' Spear. However, they CANNOT be targeted as enhancements when they are activated on your artifact pile, nor targeted as artifacts when they are used in battle. They can always be targeted as Curses however.

Thanks for clearing that up =)
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Re: Priestly Breastplate...
« Reply #65 on: May 06, 2010, 08:35:43 PM »
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would a solution to being activaited every turn be this?

every turn to keep an artifact active you would have to pay an upkeep price.  That price is one counter.  A card  that has no limit on usage(infinate usage), would not be effected but it would allow them to be kept active indefinaitley on a hero or on what ever.  A 2 ussage art afact would only be allowed to 2 counters before discarded.   

For all practical purposes there would be no need to put counters on the artifacts but it allows an explination that allows the change without changing limit use artficats. 

I don't understand what the proposal is...
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Re: Priestly Breastplate...
« Reply #66 on: May 07, 2010, 08:05:33 PM »
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Btw, how is a rule amended?
Since I hope for Amendment AA to go through, Lol  ;)
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