Author Topic: New SoG...  (Read 4733 times)

Offline Gabe

  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+68)
  • *****
  • Posts: 10674
  • From Moses to the prophets, it's all about Him!
    • -
    • North Central Region
    • Land of Redemption
Re: New SoG...
« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2013, 03:50:27 PM »
0
Should I start a new thread for my question, then?

If you read the ability on the cards I think you might be able to answer at least half the question yourself.  ;)

Because of that I just assumed you were being facetious.
Have you visited the Land of Redemption today?

Offline YourMathTeacher

  • Tournament Host
  • Trade Count: (+80)
  • *****
  • Posts: 11089
    • -
    • Southeast Region
Re: New SoG...
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2013, 03:56:02 PM »
0
Should I start a new thread for my question, then?

If you read the ability on the cards I think you might be able to answer at least half the question yourself.  ;)

Because of that I just assumed you were being facetious.

Rather than insult me you could just answer my question. You assumed wrong.

I did read the cards. I have them right in front of me. Is the "this hero" and "this evil character" the key, since they would have to say "captured character?"
My wife is a hottie.

Offline Gabe

  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+68)
  • *****
  • Posts: 10674
  • From Moses to the prophets, it's all about Him!
    • -
    • North Central Region
    • Land of Redemption
Re: New SoG...
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2013, 04:17:44 PM »
0
Rather than insult me you could just answer my question. You assumed wrong.

I'm sorry. I was in no way trying to insult you. You make sarcastic posts often. Wasn't the title above your avatar "Jester" at one time?

I did read the cards. I have them right in front of me. Is the "this hero" and "this evil character" the key, since they would have to say "captured character?"

Correct, that is the key.
Have you visited the Land of Redemption today?

Offline YourMathTeacher

  • Tournament Host
  • Trade Count: (+80)
  • *****
  • Posts: 11089
    • -
    • Southeast Region
Re: New SoG...
« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2013, 04:36:53 PM »
0
You make sarcastic posts often. Wasn't the title above your avatar "Jester" at one time?

I actively avoid sarcasm, so you will have to provide evidence that I am sarcastic "often." And I haven't had the "Forum Jester" label for quite a while now. I asked Schaef to remove it if that indicates how long ago it was. Additionally, I did not earn the label for being sarcastic. I try to be witty, but I do not support negativity as a means to achieve humor.

Of course, I may just be blinding myself. Is that how everyone on these boards sees me? Am I really that sarcastic?
My wife is a hottie.

Offline Alex_Olijar

  • 16plus
  • Trade Count: (+15)
  • *
  • Posts: 8124
  • This guy is my mascot
    • -
    • Northeast Region
Re: New SoG...
« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2013, 05:30:38 PM »
0
Of course, I may just be blinding myself. Is that how everyone on these boards sees me? Am I really that sarcastic?

The only time I ever take you seriously is when you are angry.

Offline YourMathTeacher

  • Tournament Host
  • Trade Count: (+80)
  • *****
  • Posts: 11089
    • -
    • Southeast Region
Re: New SoG...
« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2013, 05:59:33 PM »
0
The definition of sarcasm from Merriam-Webster:


1. a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain


2. a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual
 



Does this really define who I am on this Message Board?
My wife is a hottie.

Offline Alex_Olijar

  • 16plus
  • Trade Count: (+15)
  • *
  • Posts: 8124
  • This guy is my mascot
    • -
    • Northeast Region
Re: New SoG...
« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2013, 06:11:17 PM »
0
The definition of sarcasm from Merriam-Webster:


1. a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain


2. a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual
 



Does this really define who I am on this Message Board?

I wouldn't say it defines who you are.

I would say that traditionally I have viewed you as primarily a board member attempting to post in a light hearted and/or joking manner that is sometimes sarcastic but is not defined by sarcasm. This causes me to not usually take you very seriously. I personally did not think your question was a joke, however, given how I view your posts as a whole, if Gabe has a similar view, I could see why he'd think that. I typically choose to consider almost everything you say as joking, except when you are angry (which is readily apparent: see those old threads about goats/moderators/etc).

Offline YourMathTeacher

  • Tournament Host
  • Trade Count: (+80)
  • *****
  • Posts: 11089
    • -
    • Southeast Region
Re: New SoG...
« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2013, 06:16:41 PM »
0
Oh, good.

And don't get me started about goats....  :maul:
My wife is a hottie.

Offline SirNobody

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3113
    • -
    • North Central Region
Re: New SoG...
« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2013, 06:57:10 PM »
0
Hey,

It can be negated as an Evil Character, or if a card existed that said to negate a capture ability. The Evil Character's ability will not be negated by any card that only negates a Lost Soul.

Cards are negated based on their current card type not based on their card type when they activated.  That's why TAS can search for Job's Wife and not negate the search, because Job's Wife negates characters and enhancements and when she activates TAS is no longer a character.

If it were as you say and TAS can be negated as an Evil Character then searching for Job's Wife should negate it.

For those interested in further reading on this topic you can find the discussion about TAS and the FBTN LS here.

That thread is quite inconclusive.  The question is posed by an elder, respectable players share opinions on both sides and a conclusion arrises (if it necessarily arrises at all) from a technicality.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Offline Prof Underwood

  • Redemption Elder
  • Trade Count: (+7)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8597
    • -
    • East Central Region
Re: New SoG...
« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2013, 10:00:28 PM »
0
That thread is quite inconclusive.  The question is posed by an elder, respectable players share opinions on both sides and a conclusion arrises (if it necessarily arrises at all) from a technicality.
I wouldn't call it inconclusive.  The consensus at the end seemed to be that characters that are "treated as LSs" are not quite the same thing as "LSs" and therefore the FBN LS didn't negate characters when they were captured.

If that is the ruling, then it would have the same effect here.  The new SoG would also not negate characters like TAS when they are captured.

Although I agree that this could easily be ruled either way, I think that it would make the game needlessly complicated if we ruled it possible to negate any character in the same phase that it gets captured.  Imagine if Rehoboam blocks, causes a complicated side battle, then is captured after returning to the regular battle, and then gets rescued by the new SoG.  Would you have to undo everything that happened because of the side battle, etc.?  This would be a pain to keep track of.

Offline SirNobody

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3113
    • -
    • North Central Region
Re: New SoG...
« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2013, 11:44:45 PM »
+4
Hey,

I wouldn't call it inconclusive.  The consensus at the end seemed to be that characters that are "treated as LSs" are not quite the same thing as "LSs" and therefore the FBN LS didn't negate characters when they were captured.

If that is the ruling, then it would have the same effect here.  The new SoG would also not negate characters like TAS when they are captured.

A captured human character is treated as a lost soul and can be targeted by any card that targets a lost soul.  But they are not "lost soul cards" which for some reason is what the FBTN soul says, that's why the FBTN soul doesn't negate it.  That's not relevant to the new Son of God issue becuase it targets a "Lost Soul" not a "Lost Soul card."

Quote
Imagine if Rehoboam blocks, causes a complicated side battle, then is captured after returning to the regular battle, and then gets rescued by the new SoG.  Would you have to undo everything that happened because of the side battle, etc.?  This would be a pain to keep track of.

That's not any different than if after the side battle the attacker plays Might of Faith, Abraham's Servant to Ur or bands to a FBTN character (or the defender could even get to a point where they need to play Midianite Attack).  That's not a negating captured characters problem, that's a negating side battles problem, which is a completely different issue.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Offline Prof Underwood

  • Redemption Elder
  • Trade Count: (+7)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8597
    • -
    • East Central Region
Re: New SoG...
« Reply #36 on: June 28, 2013, 12:42:35 PM »
0
Well, like I said, I think this has the possibility of going either way.  And based on posts (and votes) there are multiple elders on both sides of the issue.  Therefore we should probably discuss this and return with a consensus ruling.  Other forum members are welcome to continue debating the subject here to give their own input, but let's not have the elders continue disagreeing over this one.

Offline Praeceps

  • Tournament Host
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • *****
  • Posts: 888
    • LFG
    • East Central Region
Re: New SoG...
« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2013, 04:41:10 PM »
0
Any update on this issue?
Just one more thing...

Chris

  • Guest
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: New SoG...
« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2014, 11:15:41 PM »
0
Bumping this topic. Any update?

Offline The Guardian

  • Playtester, Redemption Elder
  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+96)
  • *****
  • Posts: 12344
  • The Stars are coming out...
    • -
    • North Central Region
Re: New SoG...
« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2014, 12:37:10 AM »
+1
I still agree with Gabe's original assessment.
Fortress Alstad
Have you checked the REG?
Have you looked it up in ORCID?

 


SimplePortal 2.3.3 © 2008-2010, SimplePortal