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Title: Negating a Top Card Discard
Post by: Professoralstad on August 25, 2009, 04:09:44 AM

Let's say for example, I RA with a guy with Warrior's Spear (d/c top card of opponent's deck). I discard the card, and my opponent plays Mayhem (Players shuffle hands to draw six). He then blocks with KoT from his new hand. Would the card discarded by Warrior's Spear go on top, or would it be shuffled in (as it would have if it had been around for Mayhem)? This came up in a fun game (Polarius had a pretty epic play to save his SoG) but I was just wondering if it was done correctly.

Title: Re: Negating a Top Card Discard
Post by: Gabe on August 25, 2009, 08:10:23 AM

I would guess that it goes back to the top.  If a shuffle happened between the discard and the negate so be it.  Neither the discard, nor the negate care about that shuffle.

Title: Re: Negating a Top Card Discard
Post by: BubbleBoy on August 25, 2009, 10:31:27 AM

Quote from: BrianGabe on August 25, 2009, 08:10:23 AM

I would guess that it goes back to the top.  If a shuffle happened between the discard and the negate so be it.  Neither the discard, nor the negate care about that shuffle.

I think the negate does. Negates make it as if nothing ever happened, and I think all steps taken between the effect being negated and the negate itself must be taken into account. If I were a judge, I would make them shuffle the card.

Title: Re: Negating a Top Card Discard
Post by: Minister Polarius on August 25, 2009, 03:28:11 PM

Then I'm glad your not a judge. When something is Negated, the cards effected go back to their previous location. In this case, top of deck. Whether the cards below the top of deck are in a different order now is of no consequence.

Title: Re: Negating a Top Card Discard
Post by: SirNobody on August 25, 2009, 09:11:28 PM

Hey,

Quote from: BubbleBoy on August 25, 2009, 10:31:27 AM

Negates make it as if nothing ever happened

Negates undo what was done.  Negates do not make it as if nothing ever happened.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Title: Re: Negating a Top Card Discard
Post by: DDiceRC on August 25, 2009, 09:18:10 PM

Wouldn't you have to unshuffle the cards if the shuffle was negated? And where can I buy a quantum unshuffler?  ;D

Title: Re: Negating a Top Card Discard
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on August 25, 2009, 09:23:01 PM

Quote from: DDiceRC on August 25, 2009, 09:18:10 PM

Wouldn't you have to unshuffle the cards if the shuffle was negated? And where can I buy a quantum unshuffler?  ;D

Dominants cannot be negated, ever.  Even if they could, you would leave them as they were after being shuffled.

Title: Re: Negating a Top Card Discard
Post by: lightningninja on August 25, 2009, 09:57:50 PM

Yeah, that's legit. As long as warrior's spear is negated SOMETIME during the BATTLE PHASE, then it's okay.

Title: Re: Negating a Top Card Discard
Post by: NWJosh on August 26, 2009, 12:43:30 PM

I would agree that the discarded card would simply return to the top of the draw pile.