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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: Jeremystair on February 10, 2017, 09:17:57 PM
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Moses says negate all characters and enhancements in battle except for cloud cards. What exactly does this mean? Does that mean all Cloud of witnesses cards? Or just the heroes with the clouds on them? It's kind of strange and contradictory if all the cloud cards in the set are immune to Moses's words. That would mean all of the new lost souls from the cloud of witnesses set could not be negated by Moses.
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It's the cloud identifier only not the set notation.
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Where is the cloud identifier located?
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Bottom left corner of the art.
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I see it it makes sense now
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How do you block Moses in t1 with Coliseum up?
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Nerg
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How do you block Moses in t1 with Coliseum up?
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Confusion, Unholy writ, thorns and thistles, holy of holies. I guess this is not totally blocking Moses but you can still use them to get rid of Moses
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If I use unclean Spirit to band in King Saul and then band in medium in endor and I choose Moses to block does Moses undo all the the banding that's already has taken place?
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I believe so yea.
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I'd like to have one of the elders weigh in on this. But if this is true then they made Moses way too powerful!
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Basically every brigade has a mass negator. Like The Strong Angel, Lot's Wife, Captain of the Host, and tons of others. Moses really isn't unique there. And Moses in that situation can't negate "Cannot be Interrupted" or "Cannot be Negated" cards.
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If he just negated cards in battle that would be fine just like all the other ones you named. But he does way too much in a territory as well
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The others I mentioned don't just negate in battle unless they were Errata'd.
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Also TSA (Warriors) negates all Characters and Enhancements. No exceptions. Honestly Daniel (P) is more OP there by negating EC's, Fort's and N.T. enhancements if I remember right.
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I'm talking about negating lost souls in a territory and enhancements in territory along with fight by numbers in battle they made him way too powerful. You can't play any cards in your territory to search your deck or discard pile he's OP. They made it so if you're not playing with him it's not that easy to beating.
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Lol, he's not that hard to beat. Just drop a CBP or CBN card against him. And negating Characters and LS's isn't even a rare ability. We already have negator LS which negates all LS's and Moses is basically a weaker version of Covenant of Death. (Which basically negates all Characters and keeps players from playing Enhancements except when blocked in battle.) honestly you could flip that or any other Artifact/Curse that negates Characters and shut him off. Or just hit him with Christian Martyr and be done with it. He's far from unbeatable though. Although honestly Moses has always been an effect negator.
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I'm playing with a lot of old cards so it's hard to beat him for me right now. I don't have that many cannot be negated cards or cannot be prevented cards I'm working on getting them. And Christian martyr doesn't seem to work very long it's way too many cards that let you get stuff out of your discard pile. As for curse or an artifact you have to wait until you get it who knows when that's going to happen because you can't go and search it out. I just think there's a lot on his card going for him. And you have to get everything that you need in order to beat him.
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Well, to note the newest cards Im currently using is from the latest Starter Deck (which is 2 years old). So I'm not using the "newest" of cards either. Also, there are ways to search cards. Another option as well is Invoking Terror. Because if I remember right Moses would not be restricting TC Enhancements, just negating them and since Invoking is CBP and always reusable as long as you play Multi-Color Magicians (which you should be unless your playing a strange deck) you can just under deck Moses and solve the problem that way.
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How do you block Moses in t1 with Coliseum up?
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He speaks from experience.
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How do you block Moses in t1 with Coliseum up?
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He speaks from experience.
Hehe. There comes a point in a second-turn Mayhem game where you just say: :giveup: Reading Jericho's ability when you're playing mainly Moses + Joshua/Captain in a green-based deck on the turn a Confusion is dropped is that point.
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Jericho should be in pretty much every defense based on the current meta.
It's also not that hard to obtain since it's a common card. 8)
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This is why a lot of people try to Christian Martyr Moses as soon as he comes out.
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I have only 1 question: If I negate Moses by CoD or something, his TC effect won't kick back in again right?
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How do you block Moses in t1 with Coliseum up?
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He speaks from experience.
Hehe. There comes a point in a second-turn Mayhem game where you just say: :giveup: Reading Jericho's ability when you're playing mainly Moses + Joshua/Captain in a green-based deck on the turn a Confusion is dropped is that point.
Did that happen in our game at nationals?
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I have only 1 question: If I negate Moses by CoD or something, his TC effect won't kick back in again right?
It would kick back in when CoD was deactivated or the following phase if CoD was discarded/shuffled.
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Ah
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I'm playing with a lot of old cards so it's hard to beat him for me right now. I don't have that many cannot be negated cards or cannot be prevented cards I'm working on getting them. And Christian martyr doesn't seem to work very long it's way too many cards that let you get stuff out of your discard pile. As for curse or an artifact you have to wait until you get it who knows when that's going to happen because you can't go and search it out. I just think there's a lot on his card going for him. And you have to get everything that you need in order to beat him.
Some of the more popular ways to deal with Moses are older cards. Capturing Moses is a great strategy cause they can't just get him back out of the discard pile. King Zedekiah + Dungeon of Malchiah is a CBN capture that was popular. Capture artifacts like Unholy Writ and Magic Charms were used alot. Sisera is really strong too he gives you CBN enhancements when blocking Gold or Red Brigade. Invoking Terror is CBP so you can underdeck him TC. Haman's Plot and Gibeonite Trickery both get around Coliseum and Moses can't stop them. If you have Covenant with Death, Confusion of Mind, or Holy of Holies active Moses is Negated. There are plenty of other ways to deal with him but those are just some ways with older cards off the top of my head.
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So if my opponent plays Moses and I have Jericho can I play enhancements with my evil characters to take Mose prisoner and/Or can I play evil enhancements in my territory?
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So if my opponent plays Moses and I have Jericho can I play enhancements with my evil characters to take Mose prisoner and/Or can I play evil enhancements in my territory?
You don't specifically need Jericho for it. Jericho just makes ALL of your evil cards CBP when your opponent has a cloud hero (the new Moses is) so Moses doesn't stop your evil cards. The cards I brought up are some of the ways using older cards to stop Moses without Jericho. Jericho is just the simplest answer that can be put in almost any deck but it's a newer card so I thought I would at least post some other ways people have gone about with dealing with Moses without relying on the newest cards.
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So if Jericho is activated do my evil characters special ability on the character cards still work?
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So if Jericho is activated do my evil characters special ability on the character cards still work?
while Jericho is active ALL of your evil cards cannot be prevented by Good cards. So in short your Evil Characters, Evil Enhancements, Evil Fortresses, and Curses are CBP by Good Cards.
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Awesome! Can they be negated?
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yes unless they are cbi
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Did that happen in our game at nationals?
I'm pretty sure you drew Jericho off your Mayhem draw, or the turn immediately after, when the only hero I had left after Mayhem at the time was Moses. I think I got two souls out of him/Joshua before Jericho came down. After that, it was a Confusion, a tapped liner, and a Falling Away to seal the game 5-1. I don't remember all the details, except I was soul-droughting you and was trying to draw to get LS for you to rescue so we could wash away our sins and move on. ;)
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I'm still having trouble understanding how Moses does not negate enhancements or evil characters that cannot be prevented when Jericho is in play or cannot be prevented is written on the cards. I thought Moses's negate, interrupts and prevents enhancement and characters so how does a cannot be prevented work against Moses? I am sorry know I'm new to this so it's difficult to understand.
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I'm still having trouble understanding how Moses does not negate enhancements or evil characters that cannot be prevented when Jericho is in play or cannot be prevented is written on the cards. I thought Moses's negate, interrupts and prevents enhancement and characters so how does a cannot be prevented work against Moses? I am sorry know I'm new to this so it's difficult to understand.
he only interrupts when he first activates. an interrupt is an instant ability. from that point on, he only prevents, which will prevent all enhancements, characters and lost souls, unless they cannot be prevented. but, you can shuffle him or something, then he would reset once he goes in play again.
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Thanks I think this makes sense now
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I'm playing with a lot of old cards so it's hard to beat him for me right now. I don't have that many cannot be negated cards or cannot be prevented cards I'm working on getting them. And Christian martyr doesn't seem to work very long it's way too many cards that let you get stuff out of your discard pile. As for curse or an artifact you have to wait until you get it who knows when that's going to happen because you can't go and search it out. I just think there's a lot on his card going for him. And you have to get everything that you need in order to beat him.
Some of the more popular ways to deal with Moses are older cards. Capturing Moses is a great strategy cause they can't just get him back out of the discard pile. King Zedekiah + Dungeon of Malchiah is a CBN capture that was popular. Capture artifacts like Unholy Writ and Magic Charms were used alot. Sisera is really strong too he gives you CBN enhancements when blocking Gold or Red Brigade. Invoking Terror is CBP so you can underdeck him TC. Haman's Plot and Gibeonite Trickery both get around Coliseum and Moses can't stop them. If you have Covenant with Death, Confusion of Mind, or Holy of Holies active Moses is Negated. There are plenty of other ways to deal with him but those are just some ways with older cards off the top of my head.
Use Falling Away (CoW) + Ehud/Asahel/Jael. Get initiative and play something nasty that they can't negate because you picked an evil brigade they don't have, then Moses dies by numbers ;)
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I'm playing with a lot of old cards so it's hard to beat him for me right now. I don't have that many cannot be negated cards or cannot be prevented cards I'm working on getting them. And Christian martyr doesn't seem to work very long it's way too many cards that let you get stuff out of your discard pile. As for curse or an artifact you have to wait until you get it who knows when that's going to happen because you can't go and search it out. I just think there's a lot on his card going for him. And you have to get everything that you need in order to beat him.
Some of the more popular ways to deal with Moses are older cards. Capturing Moses is a great strategy cause they can't just get him back out of the discard pile. King Zedekiah + Dungeon of Malchiah is a CBN capture that was popular. Capture artifacts like Unholy Writ and Magic Charms were used alot. Sisera is really strong too he gives you CBN enhancements when blocking Gold or Red Brigade. Invoking Terror is CBP so you can underdeck him TC. Haman's Plot and Gibeonite Trickery both get around Coliseum and Moses can't stop them. If you have Covenant with Death, Confusion of Mind, or Holy of Holies active Moses is Negated. There are plenty of other ways to deal with him but those are just some ways with older cards off the top of my head.
Use Falling Away (CoW) + Ehud/Asahel/Jael. Get initiative and play something nasty that they can't negate because you picked an evil brigade they don't have, then Moses dies by numbers ;)
doesn't moses negate the ctb?
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doesn't moses negate the ctb?
Pre-block choose the blocker is CBI.
A choose opponent ability used before the initial blocker is presented cannot be interrupted (though it can be prevented).
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Choose the blocker abilities are cbi to prevent loops. insta posted
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ok, thanks!
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Also, Hero abilities do not convert when they are converted to Evil Characters so an Evil Character Moses is just an 8/8 no SA character.
doesn't moses negate the ctb?
Pre-block choose the blocker is CBI.
A choose opponent ability used before the initial blocker is presented cannot be interrupted (though it can be prevented).
This is an important distinction. Only pre-block CtB is CBI. If I play Obedience of Noah during battle after an Evil Character has already blocked, and I choose a different EC, the new EC can negate Obedience of Noah and the original EC would return to battle.
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So none of the evil characters or Heroes that are converted have their special?
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Evil Characters that are converted to Heroes keep their special ability (except for abilities that target other Heroes).
Heroes that are converted to Evil Characters do not keep any abilities.