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Title: Mayhem in the camp
Post by: slugfencer on November 20, 2010, 12:21:08 AM
Sin in the Camp (Pi)
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Pale Green • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Place in a player’s territory. During that player’s upkeep phase, he must place a card from hand beneath draw pile. That player may reveal a good Dominant from hand and place it beneath draw pile to discard this card. • Errata: Place in a player's territory. During that player's Upkeep Phase, he must place a card from hand beneath deck. That player may reveal a good Dominant from hand and place it beneath deck to discard all copies of this card in his territory. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Joshua 7:11 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Rare)

Mayhem (TP)
Type: Grim Reaper • Brigade: • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Each player must shuffle hand into deck to draw six. • Play As: Each player must shuffle [return] hand into deck to draw six. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Isaiah 59:7 • Availability: Thesaurus ex Preteritus booster packs ()


Opponent has 3 SITC in my territory. I have no hand. I draw Mayhem. Can I play it and will it work? If it does, do the other 2 cards I drew originally with Mayhem go under, or do I underdeck 3 of the new 6 cards?
Thanks!

Title: Re: Mayhem in the camp
Post by: adotson85 on November 20, 2010, 12:35:00 AM
No. Mayhem is placed under your deck.
Title: Re: Mayhem in the camp
Post by: Warrior_Monk on November 20, 2010, 01:23:43 AM
I don't see why not. SitC doesn't specify at the beginning of your upkeep phase. You can play dominants during the upkeep phase, right? So just play Mayhem before you have SitC activate.
Title: Re: Mayhem in the camp
Post by: RTSmaniac on November 20, 2010, 01:25:35 AM
 You can play dominants during the upkeep phase, right?
Title: Re: Mayhem in the camp
Post by: adotson85 on November 20, 2010, 02:51:09 AM
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=18235.msg286393#msg286393 (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=18235.msg286393#msg286393)

http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=19846.msg310460#msg310460 (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=19846.msg310460#msg310460)
Title: Re: Mayhem in the camp
Post by: Warrior_Monk on November 20, 2010, 11:26:29 AM
Why does SitC activate at the beginning of the upkeep phase? It says during.
Title: Re: Mayhem in the camp
Post by: Prof Underwood on November 20, 2010, 04:37:40 PM
You can play dominants during the upkeep phase, right?
Based on this discussion, (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=18235.msg286834#msg286834) I think so.
Title: Re: Mayhem in the camp
Post by: RTSmaniac on November 20, 2010, 09:24:24 PM
Quote
Redemption® Rulebook > Diagram of a Turn
Overview
The following phases are performed each turn, even if nothing is actively done on a particular phase.  A response is allowed between every separate phase. 

How can you play abilities between phases? I would argue that responses could be played before the phase ends, but not in between phases.
I also agree that a Dom should be able to be played in any phase including draw phase. To say that an ability cannot insert itself in a phase is rediculous.
Title: Re: Mayhem in the camp
Post by: The Guardian on November 21, 2010, 02:04:21 AM
I find it ironic that Slugfencer was the one to start both of the threads, he must run into SitC quite a bit  :D

I agree that dominants can be played during the draw phase by either player. If I am waiting for a player to draw a LS because I have 4 rescued with SoG in my hand, I can play SoG as soon as the LS is put down and its ability completes, even if my opponent has something to "upkeep."
Title: Re: Mayhem in the camp
Post by: Master KChief on November 21, 2010, 03:59:17 AM
i also see no reason mayhem cant be played during draw phase. in fact, many players play it immediately following their opponents draw.
Title: Re: Mayhem in the camp
Post by: Professoralstad on November 21, 2010, 11:03:48 AM
I find it ironic that Slugfencer was the one to start both of the threads, he must run into SitC quite a bit  :D

I agree that dominants can be played during the draw phase by either player. If I am waiting for a player to draw a LS because I have 4 rescued with SoG in my hand, I can play SoG as soon as the LS is put down and its ability completes, even if my opponent has something to "upkeep."

I agree as well.
Title: Re: Mayhem in the camp
Post by: slugfencer on November 24, 2010, 01:21:34 PM
I find it ironic that Slugfencer was the one to start both of the threads, he must run into SitC quite a bit  :D


^
Truth...I blame Clift!  :D
Title: Re: Mayhem in the camp
Post by: RTSmaniac on November 24, 2010, 10:32:44 PM
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