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Title: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: Wings of Music on June 22, 2010, 12:33:22 PM

I just have a couple inquiries to make sure that I am playing correctly, Lol.  ;)



1) After putting a lost soul in a site, am I allowed to later move into a different site? If so, is there a specifed time to do so?

The reason why I ask is because I have heard that you can use your own sites to gain access to other sites.
For example, if I wanted to get accesss to purple site I could use one of my own purple sites, and  bring it into battle with me for my rescue attempt. Therefore, I might have to take a lost soul out of that site to use it for access. I am not sure if that is true, so correct if I am wrong. =)

2) Is the phrase, "Take any hero prisoner" considered a capture enhancement?

For instance, I am blocking with Captian of the Temple Guard, and I play Net on him. Is the enhancement therefore protected from being negated since it was played on CotTG?

3) Also, how do you free a captured hero that is not being treated as a lost soul? Is it only by an enhancement or can you make a rescue attempt to free him?

4) After capturing a hero that is not being treated as a lost soul, are you able to put him in a site? (If the above question is answered as a yes to be able to rescue him.)

If you guys can help, it would be most appreciated!  ;D

~Wings
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: Professoralstad on June 22, 2010, 12:45:43 PM
1) After putting a lost soul in a site, am I allowed to later move into a different site? If so, is there a specifed time to do so?

No. Once an LS is in a Site, it stays there unless: a) It is rescued b) An SA says to remove it c) An SA removes the site from the LoB leaving the LS

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The reason why I ask is because I have heard that you can use your own sites to gain access to other sites.
For example, if I wanted to get accesss to purple site I could use one of my own purple sites, and  bring it into battle with me for my rescue attempt. Therefore, I might have to take a lost soul out of that site to use it for access. I am not sure if that is true, so correct if I am wrong. =)

Unfortunately, if you want to use an occupied site for access, you must first remove the LS through one of the ways listed above.

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2) Is the phrase, "Take any hero prisoner" considered a capture enhancement?

For instance, I am blocking with Captian of the Temple Guard, and I play Net on him. Is the enhancement therefore protected from being negated since it was played on CotTG?

Yes. Take any hero prisoner = Capture any Hero

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3) Also, how do you free a captured hero that is not being treated as a lost soul? Is it only by an enhancement or can you make a rescue attempt to free him?

All captured heroes are treated as Lost Souls unless they go somewhere else like Raider's Camp or Demonic Stronghold. They get released per the ability on the card, or another card that releases captured heroes (like I am Redemption).

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4) After capturing a hero that is not being treated as a lost soul, are you able to put him in a site? (If the above question is answered as a yes to be able to rescue him.)

Like said above, all captured heroes are treated as Lost Souls except for the specified exceptions. Thus they can be targeted by any card that targets a Lost Soul, or be put in a Site, like any other Lost Soul
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: RTSmaniac on June 22, 2010, 12:48:09 PM
1) NO- you cant move a ls out of a site unless some ability lets you or it is rescued

2)YES- net gains CBN status. PopQuiz: If you played Poison of Dragons with CotTG in battle, would it gain CBN status?

(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.redemptionreg.com%2FREG%2FLinkedDocuments%2FPoison%2520of%2520Dragons%2520%28Pi%29.gif&hash=4934e0d08cac069448f346edbc8f75f235d93a6b)
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: Prof Underwood on June 22, 2010, 12:56:42 PM
The Prof's are in agreement :)
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: Professoralstad on June 22, 2010, 01:03:01 PM
The Profs are in agreement.

The Prof's are in agreement :)

Except for in appropriate apostrophe usage apparently... ;)
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: Prof Underwood on June 22, 2010, 01:26:13 PM
Except for in appropriate apostrophe usage apparently... ;)
I just had an implied "answers" in there :)
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: BubbleBoy on June 22, 2010, 01:46:34 PM
The Profs are in agreement.

The Prof's are in agreement :)

Except for in appropriate apostrophe usage apparently... ;)
Was this grammatical irony intended? ;)
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: Wings of Music on June 22, 2010, 03:03:04 PM
1) NO- you cant move a ls out of a site unless some ability lets you or it is rescued

2)YES- net gains CBN status. PopQuiz: If you played Poison of Dragons with CotTG in battle, would it gain CBN status?

(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.redemptionreg.com%2FREG%2FLinkedDocuments%2FCaptain%2520of%2520the%2520Temple%2520Guard%2520%28Pi%29.gif&hash=87f1e6f50febeb012e73a55aa295087604e21a26) (https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.redemptionreg.com%2FREG%2FLinkedDocuments%2FPoison%2520of%2520Dragons%2520%28Pi%29.gif&hash=4934e0d08cac069448f346edbc8f75f235d93a6b) (https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.redemptionreg.com%2FREG%2FLinkedDocuments%2FNet%2520%28UL%29.gif&hash=e8dac4658f36a64196b23fdf4f9ddc172b35e4f7)

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4)

I would think so...wow, I never thought of that...but then again it never came to my mind to use orange and black as my defense, lol
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: Soundman2 on June 22, 2010, 03:38:04 PM
1) NO- you cant move a ls out of a site unless some ability lets you or it is rescued

2)YES- net gains CBN status. PopQuiz: If you played Poison of Dragons with CotTG in battle, would it gain CBN status?


Um. How?
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: Warrior_Monk on June 22, 2010, 03:40:48 PM
1) NO- you cant move a ls out of a site unless some ability lets you or it is rescued

2)YES- net gains CBN status. PopQuiz: If you played Poison of Dragons with CotTG in battle, would it gain CBN status?


Um. How?
Love of Money.
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: Soundman2 on June 22, 2010, 03:49:25 PM
1) NO- you cant move a ls out of a site unless some ability lets you or it is rescued

2)YES- net gains CBN status. PopQuiz: If you played Poison of Dragons with CotTG in battle, would it gain CBN status?


Um. How?
Love of Money.

Ok then got to ask that question. In battle I'd say yes but once its on the hero I don't know.....
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: Wings of Music on June 22, 2010, 07:21:34 PM
1) NO- you cant move a ls out of a site unless some ability lets you or it is rescued

2)YES- net gains CBN status. PopQuiz: If you played Poison of Dragons with CotTG in battle, would it gain CBN status?


Um. How?
Love of Money.

Ok then got to ask that question. In battle I'd say yes but once its on the hero I don't know.....

Btw I understand what is being talked about here but what is CBN mean again...
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: Warrior_Monk on June 22, 2010, 10:22:50 PM
CBN=Cannot be Negated.
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: Wings of Music on June 23, 2010, 12:51:41 AM
CBN=Cannot be Negated.

Thank You!
I am still learning all the terminology, although I don't know why I did not pick up that one...Lol  :D
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: Soundman2 on June 23, 2010, 02:09:05 PM
Ok so if I'm reading the REG right I think it does in battle.  But after battle you can play a healing card because a healing card heals does not negate.  see here: http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/ (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/)
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: Wings of Music on June 23, 2010, 06:01:02 PM

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3) Also, how do you free a captured hero that is not being treated as a lost soul? Is it only by an enhancement or can you make a rescue attempt to free him?

All captured heroes are treated as Lost Souls unless they go somewhere else like Raider's Camp or Demonic Stronghold. They get released per the ability on the card, or another card that releases captured heroes (like I am Redemption).


So when the card says "Capture a Hero" and says "treat as a lost soul" at the end of it...it has the same affect as if it did not have the ending phrase?
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: Professoralstad on June 23, 2010, 06:04:29 PM
So when the card says "Capture a Hero" and says "treat as a lost soul" at the end of it...it has the same affect as if it did not have the ending phrase?

Yes. The "Treat as a Lost Soul" portion was just clarifying text that was used to clearly state what happened when a character was captured. Eventually, it became a rule that captured characters become Lost Souls (unless other abilities change that) and the phrase was unneeded on any other capture card.
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: Wings of Music on June 27, 2010, 11:44:28 AM
So when the card says "Capture a Hero" and says "treat as a lost soul" at the end of it...it has the same affect as if it did not have the ending phrase?

Yes. The "Treat as a Lost Soul" portion was just clarifying text that was used to clearly state what happened when a character was captured. Eventually, it became a rule that captured characters become Lost Souls (unless other abilities change that) and the phrase was unneeded on any other capture card.

Alright, well, unless there was something still not clarified, Thank you all very much for your support!  :)
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: SirNobody on June 29, 2010, 01:16:36 PM
Hey,

Ok so if I'm reading the REG right I think it does in battle.  But after battle you can play a healing card because a healing card heals does not negate.  see here: http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/ (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/)

Poison of Dragons does not poison, disease, or discard the hero, so a healing card cannot be used to remove the effect of Poison of Dragons from the Hero.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on June 29, 2010, 02:42:37 PM
Wait..."Poison" of dragons isn't a poison.

What?
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: Wings of Music on June 29, 2010, 06:54:38 PM
Hey,

Ok so if I'm reading the REG right I think it does in battle.  But after battle you can play a healing card because a healing card heals does not negate.  see here: http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/ (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/)

Poison of Dragons does not poison, disease, or discard the hero, so a healing card cannot be used to remove the effect of Poison of Dragons from the Hero.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Interesting...so it weakens a hero into becoming captured...that's creepy...Lol!
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: Minister Polarius on June 29, 2010, 08:31:41 PM
Wasn't the definition of Disease/Poison expanded to include everything that is called a poison/disease in the title in addition to it meeting ability criteria?
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: Prof Underwood on June 30, 2010, 10:01:40 AM
Poison of Dragons does not poison
Is this a typo?

PoD has "poison" in the title and has "poison" in the identifier.  It also seems to fit the definition of poisons.  It also has been ruled a poison by RedemptionAggie (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=16214.msg253781#msg253781) (who is generally right on ruling stuff).

Quote from: Old REG
The special ability category of Poison and Diseases generally contains cards which slowly decrease the stamina of a character.
A poison ability makes one or more characters “poisoned.”
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: Korunks on June 30, 2010, 10:03:48 AM
Oh someone is gonna get aggie'd.
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: SirNobody on June 30, 2010, 12:52:29 PM
Hey,

Interesting...so it weakens a hero into becoming captured...that's creepy...Lol!

Well technically Poison of Dragons doesn't have a capture ability either :)

Having the identifier "poison" means the card "is" a poison.  Having a "poison" special ability means the card poisons a hero.  Poison of Dragons "is" a poison, but it doesn't have a poison ability.  It has four abilities: Place, Increase/Decrease, Discard, and Place (which should be capture).  No poison.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: Prof Underwood on June 30, 2010, 01:37:02 PM
Well technically...
Therein lies the problem :)

It has four abilities: Place, Increase/Decrease, Discard, and Place...
I see where you could get that in a "technical" sense.  However, the intuitive reading of that card is that it poisons a hero and then captures him when he runs out of defense.  If the wording doesn't allow for this, then it needs a "Play As", but this card is clearly a poison card and a capture card, and is even listed as a poison card in the REG.
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: SirNobody on June 30, 2010, 02:29:00 PM
Hey,

I see where you could get that in a "technical" sense.  However, the intuitive reading of that card is that it poisons a hero and then captures him when he runs out of defense.  If the wording doesn't allow for this, then it needs a "Play As", but this card is clearly a poison card and a capture card, and is even listed as a poison card in the REG.

We don't play cards based on their "intuitive reading."  We can't use "intuition" because that leads different people to different conclusions.  We use the "technical reading" to determine how cards are played.  We seek for the most common intuitive readings to match the technical reading to make things easier on the players but we don't force that.

The card does need errata to address the fact that it's missing a capture ability at the end (because without it the last clause is somewhat absurd).  This card will receive attention before the release of the new REG and I expect that attention will lead to it being re-categorized as a place ability and not as a poison ability.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: Prof Underwood on June 30, 2010, 02:52:49 PM
The card does need errata to address the fact that it's missing a capture ability at the end (because without it the last clause is somewhat absurd).
And the idea that a card with Poison in the title and the identifier does NOT poison anyone is equally absurd.

This card will receive attention before the release of the new REG and I expect that attention will lead to it being re-categorized as a place ability and not as a poison ability.
I also expect that it will receive attention.  However, I'm less sure of the outcome of that attention.
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: Wings of Music on June 30, 2010, 04:07:29 PM
The card does need errata to address the fact that it's missing a capture ability at the end (because without it the last clause is somewhat absurd).
And the idea that a card with Poison in the title and the identifier does NOT poison anyone is equally absurd.

This card will receive attention before the release of the new REG and I expect that attention will lead to it being re-categorized as a place ability and not as a poison ability.
I also expect that it will receive attention.  However, I'm less sure of the outcome of that attention.

Wow...is usual for ruling posts result into new posts? Because that's two for me...Lol
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: SirNobody on June 30, 2010, 08:49:27 PM
Hey,

The card does need errata to address the fact that it's missing a capture ability at the end (because without it the last clause is somewhat absurd).
And the idea that a card with Poison in the title and the identifier does NOT poison anyone is equally absurd.

The place in Land of Bondage without a capture ability is Invisible Beings absurd.  The Poison in the title and identifier without a poison ability is Split Altar absurd.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: Soundman2 on July 01, 2010, 12:31:57 PM
The card does need errata to address the fact that it's missing a capture ability at the end (because without it the last clause is somewhat absurd).
And the idea that a card with Poison in the title and the identifier does NOT poison anyone is equally absurd.

This card will receive attention before the release of the new REG and I expect that attention will lead to it being re-categorized as a place ability and not as a poison ability.
I also expect that it will receive attention.  However, I'm less sure of the outcome of that attention.

yes it happens alot

Wow...is usual for ruling posts result into new posts? Because that's two for me...Lol
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on July 01, 2010, 11:15:29 PM
Hey,

The card does need errata to address the fact that it's missing a capture ability at the end (because without it the last clause is somewhat absurd).
And the idea that a card with Poison in the title and the identifier does NOT poison anyone is equally absurd.

The place in Land of Bondage without a capture ability is Invisible Beings absurd.  The Poison in the title and identifier without a poison ability is Split Altar absurd.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

I'm pretty sure the second one is more a Moses is a Female Angel absurd. A poison is a Poison.
Title: Re: Lost Soul/Site/Capture Qs...
Post by: Prof Underwood on July 13, 2010, 02:42:02 AM
Wait..."Poison" of dragons isn't a poison.

What?
The official answer appears to be that "Poison of Dragons" does indeed cause characters to be "poisoned".  Therefore, they can also be "healed".
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