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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: theselfevident on September 10, 2011, 03:58:05 AM
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I make a rescue attempt w/ Abishai band to Army of Simeonites my opponent blocks w/ KOT (negating my band) I play The Might of Faith (negating KOT) reinstating my band. Opponent plays Swift Horses (interupting The Might of Faith)... How does this then play out?
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I make a rescue attempt w/ Abishai band to Army of Simeonites my opponent blocks w/ KOT (negating my band) I play The Might of Faith (negating KOT) reinstating my band. Opponent plays Swift Horses (interupting The Might of Faith)... How does this then play out?
Swift Horses interrupts three things.
1. Any abilities causing the removal of KoT (none)
2. Any ongoing abilities, such as protects/immunity/prevents (this includes KoT's ability)
3. The last good enhancement played (The Might of Faith)
So Swift Horses works, but when the enhancement played off of SH is done, KoT's ability will kick back in, unless you play a card like Failed Objective/Wonders Forgotten, which end the battle before KoT's ability reactivates. You could also play a CBN battlewinner like Evil Spirit, which will cause KoT to win, but also allow KoT's ability to reactivate, negating the D3 of Swift Horses while still winning the battle.
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2. Any ongoing abilities, such as protects/immunity/prevents (this includes KoT's ability)
This is not true. You can not interrupt a prevent (unless the interrupt is CBP).
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You can if the prevent is being prevented at the time.
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2. Any ongoing abilities, such as protects/immunity/prevents (this includes KoT's ability)
This is not true. You can not interrupt a prevent (unless the interrupt is CBP).
So does KOT Prevent Swift Horse after interupting The Might of Faith?
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You can if the prevent is being prevented at the time.
I was clarifying the bullet point. Under normal circumstances, Swift Horses would not interrupt KoT.
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2. Any ongoing abilities, such as protects/immunity/prevents (this includes KoT's ability)
This is not true. You can not interrupt a prevent (unless the interrupt is CBP).
If the ability doing the interrupting is prevented, the list is pointless anyways, since none of the 3 things will be interrupted. I was thinking more of when a FBTNB chain is blocked by a character with horses. The horses interrupts the ongoing prevent of Benaiah/Ira/etc so you can play a card to take out the FBTNB hero, and the FBTNB ability won't reactivate.
Or as in this case, where KoT is interrupted until Swift Horses is complete (assuming the card play after Swift Horses causes TMoF to be negated).
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2. Any ongoing abilities, such as protects/immunity/prevents (this includes KoT's ability)
This is not true. You can not interrupt a prevent (unless the interrupt is CBP).
If the ability doing the interrupting is prevented, the list is pointless anyways, since none of the 3 things will be interrupted. I was thinking more of when a FBTNB chain is blocked by a character with horses. The horses interrupts the ongoing prevent of Benaiah/Ira/etc so you can play a card to take out the FBTNB hero, and the FBTNB ability won't reactivate.
Or as in this case, where KoT is interrupted until Swift Horses is complete (assuming the card play after Swift Horses causes TMoF to be negated).
Thank you
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If the ability doing the interrupting is prevented, the list is pointless anyways, since none of the 3 things will be interrupted. I was thinking more of when a FBTNB chain is blocked by a character with horses. The horses interrupts the ongoing prevent of Benaiah/Ira/etc so you can play a card to take out the FBTNB hero, and the FBTNB ability won't reactivate.
I was trying to clarify for outside observers that if a FBTN character is already out, Swift Horses (gold) does nothing.
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I make a rescue attempt w/ Abishai band to Army of Simeonites my opponent blocks w/ KOT (negating my band) I play The Might of Faith (negating KOT) reinstating my band. Opponent plays Swift Horses (interupting The Might of Faith)... How does this then play out?
So I understand that Swift Horses ability plays out but what if I play a card that causes the battle to end immediately as my play next after swift horses... is the banding of the heroes negated or not since I interupted the The Might of Faith that negated the ability of KOT which negated Abishai which caused the banding?
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If you play Wonders Forgotten off Horses, the Heroes remain banded.
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If you play Wonders Forgotten off Horses, the Heroes remain banded.
So is it safe to infer at this point: although you are interupting an ability, that ability stays intact during the interupt. What if the interupted card is discarded? the ability still plays out even though interupted and discarded?
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No.
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No.
That seems contradictory though :o
In the specific example it seems like a cyclical catch 22
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The ability was put on hold (interrupted) and then discarded before it could reactivate.
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The ability was put on hold (interrupted) and then discarded before it could reactivate.
so if its put on hold that means it:
1. is not in affect until the cards interupting it are complete
2. is in affect until the cards interupting it are complete.
If 1 then it should not be able to be able to interupted if I have KoT playing Swift Horses because I am interupting the very ability that allows me to interupt it due to the Prevention coming back from KOT.
If 2 then the if I discard The Might of Faith after Swift Horses, then KoT should then prevent the abilities that I played to interupt and discard TMoF thus returning TMOF to the field of battle.
That seems like what would be rational to me, but I am sure that I am wrong as I usually am =)
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KoT wouldn't be preventing them.
I've always described interrupt as putting an ability on hold, so that would mean #1, sort of. They've activated, they just need to be patient.
That seems like what would be rational to me, but I am sure that I am wrong as I usually am =)
Oi! That's my bit.
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So I understand that Swift Horses ability plays out but what if I play a card that causes the battle to end immediately as my play next after swift horses... is the banding of the heroes negated or not since I interupted the The Might of Faith that negated the ability of KOT which negated Abishai which caused the banding?
When you played Swift Horses, you interrupted the last good enhancement played, which was TMoF. But you also simultaneously interrupted all ongoing abilities, which included KoT's ability. So the heroes stay banded for the end-the-battle enhancement.
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So I understand that Swift Horses ability plays out but what if I play a card that causes the battle to end immediately as my play next after swift horses... is the banding of the heroes negated or not since I interupted the The Might of Faith that negated the ability of KOT which negated Abishai which caused the banding?
When you played Swift Horses, you interrupted the last good enhancement played, which was TMoF. But you also simultaneously interrupted all ongoing abilities, which included KoT's ability. So the heroes stay banded for the end-the-battle enhancement.
So if TMoF is not in play does Swift Horses interupt KoT?
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No, prevent trumps interrupt.
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No, prevent trumps interrupt.
To expand on that, abilities that are neither CBP nor CBN are prevented by prevents. Swift Horses is not CBP or CBN, so KoT prevents it.