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Title: Joseph Before Pharaoh and Artifacts
Post by: browarod on October 28, 2011, 01:30:09 AM

If my opponent has Plagued with Diseases active and I make a rescue attempt with Benjamin from hand, can I play Joseph Before Pharaoh to negate and bottom deck PwD before Benjamin dies (which is before the opponent blocks)?


Plagued with Diseases
Type: Curse • Brigade: Brown • Ability: 1 / 5 • Class: None • Special Ability: Decrease all opponents’ Heroes by 0/2 (or 0/3 if you have the fewest Redeemed Souls). • Identifiers: OT, Disease • Verse: Deuteronomy 28:21 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Uncommon)

Benjamin
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Blue • Ability: 1 / 1 • Class: None • Special Ability: If all of your human Heroes in play are Genesis Heroes, Genesis Enhancements cannot be negated. Otherwise, discard Benjamin after battle. • Play As: If all of your human Heroes in play are Genesis Heroes, Genesis enhancements cannot be negated. Otherwise, discard Benjamin after battle. • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Patriarch, Son of Jacob • Verse: Genesis 49:27 • Availability: Faith of our Fathers booster packs (None)

Joseph Before Pharaoh
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Blue • Ability: 1 / 1 • Class: None • Special Ability: If used by a son of Jacob, negate opponent’s evil or neutral card. If it’s a human, capture it to opponent’s Land of Bondage, otherwise put it beneath deck. • Play As: If used by a son of Jacob, negate opponent’s evil or neutral card. If it’s a human, capture it to opponent’s Land of Bondage, otherwise place it beneath deck. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Genesis 41:14 • Availability: Faith of our Fathers Extended booster packs (None)

Title: Re: Joseph Before Pharaoh and Artifacts
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on October 28, 2011, 01:35:58 AM

Dis card... so many problems it is causing.

Gut instinct on my part says that yes you can. However, I'm sure there's a reason that it should really be 'No'

Title: Re: Joseph Before Pharaoh and Artifacts
Post by: RedemptionAggie on October 28, 2011, 03:09:13 AM

That sounds right.  On page 3 of the thread with the original ruling, Bryon said you could play LuG to discard Crown of Thorns to stop the discard of Pharisees.

Title: Re: Joseph Before Pharaoh and Artifacts
Post by: soul seeker on October 28, 2011, 08:28:18 AM

How can you play an enhancement before anyone blocks?  There is no initiative check.

I can see the Pharisee argument because when the pharisee goes down...it is at least blocking and doing an initiative check.

Title: Re: Joseph Before Pharaoh and Artifacts
Post by: Korunks on October 28, 2011, 08:30:02 AM

Quote from: soul seeker on October 28, 2011, 08:28:18 AM

How can you play an enhancement before anyone blocks?  There is no initiative check.

I can see the Pharisee argument because when the pharisee goes down...it is at least blocking and doing an initiative check.

This the only issue I have with ruling it the way discussed so far.  it wouldallow a free PreBlock Play?  I certainly hope not.

Title: Re: Joseph Before Pharaoh and Artifacts
Post by: STAMP on October 28, 2011, 11:46:02 AM

Yes.  Once Benjamin is placed in the battlefield and activates his SA, there is an active battle whether the opponent blocks or not.  My opponent's card, PwD, removes Benjamin, causing me to lose the battle by removal. 

It's no different than losing a battle due to Christian Martyr, only in this case the opponent's card CAN be interrupted.

Title: Re: Joseph Before Pharaoh and Artifacts
Post by: browarod on October 28, 2011, 12:39:50 PM

So general consensus is yes I can? Awesome. I like my Genesis deck even more now. :D