Author Topic: Is there a rule against playing with torn up cards? (Read 5440 times)

Chronic Apathy · « **on:** August 09, 2009, 11:27:54 AM »

Pretty much the topic question. I'm sure you all know the card I'm referring to. Is there an actual rule against using cards that have been torn in half?

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #1 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:07:25 PM »

I think the rule was that you cannot tear a card in half that has already been torn in half. You would then be tearing it into fourths, which is not what the card says.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #2 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:09:41 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 09, 2009, 01:07:25 PM

I think the rule was that you cannot tear a card in half that has already been torn in half. You would then be tearing it into fourths, which is not what the card says.

Who cares about the effect? Would I theoretically be able to tear it in half and not take a good card out of my deck for the next game if I'm playing type 2?

Sean · « **Reply #3 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:12:48 PM »

All cards must be playable without sleeves.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #4 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:29:57 PM »

There does not need to be a written rule about what makes cards legal in a card game. The reason cards have matching back surfaces is so that they can not be distinguished between other cards in the deck. Any mark, tear, or other way of discerning cards in a "random" deck is not legal. This is true for CCGs and for ordinary playing cards.

Matman · « **Reply #5 on:** August 09, 2009, 08:28:01 PM »

What happens if you are playing in a tournament and you use Hamans Plot in the first game you play. Would I be able to replace that card with another Hamans plot for the next game?

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #6 on:** August 09, 2009, 08:29:17 PM »

No - you have to play with one less card (or another deck you checked in) for the rest of the tournament.

FresnoRedemption · « **Reply #7 on:** August 10, 2009, 02:12:52 AM »

Quote from: RedemptionAggie on August 09, 2009, 08:29:17 PM

No - you have to play with one less card (or another deck you checked in) for the rest of the tournament.

If your deck is only 50 cards, can you replace it in front of a judge before the next match?

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #8 on:** August 10, 2009, 02:18:27 AM »

No - if you tear HP and your deck is no longer legal, you can't use that deck anymore. This is in the tournament guide.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #9 on:** August 10, 2009, 10:15:10 AM »

Quote from: RedemptionAggie on August 10, 2009, 02:18:27 AM

No - if you tear HP and your deck is no longer legal, you can't use that deck anymore. This is in the tournament guide.

If a 49 card deck is the only deck you have, you must quit the category. However, 99% of deck checkers just won't let you deck in a 50 card deck with HP.

xCaLeBx · « **Reply #10 on:** August 10, 2009, 04:07:19 PM »

so throw in a 51card if you play HP

Matman · « **Reply #11 on:** August 10, 2009, 04:46:42 PM »

So you couldnt come prepared with extra hamans plot for a tournament. That doesn't seem fair, Escpecially if HP is part of your deck. you should be able to replace a card with the same card between rounds.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #12 on:** August 10, 2009, 04:49:11 PM »

You can enter multiple decks. That's just a downside to HP.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #13 on:** August 10, 2009, 04:50:35 PM »

Quote from: Matman on August 10, 2009, 04:46:42 PM

So you couldnt come prepared with extra hamans plot for a tournament. That doesn't seem fair, Escpecially if HP is part of your deck. you should be able to replace a card with the same card between rounds.

I totally disagree; it is totally fair. Why should a player with a lot of cards be able to use a plot every single round? The idea of HP is that you choose the best strategic time to use it. HP isn't a card meant to be the base of a deck; it is an emergency card used when you need just one more block.

If you want to use many HPs, check 3 different decks each with one in it.

mjwolfe · « **Reply #14 on:** August 10, 2009, 05:33:18 PM »

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on August 10, 2009, 04:50:35 PM

If you want to use many HPs, check 3 different decks each with one in it.

Just as a clarification...if the event will have five or less rounds, you can only check in two decks. If the event has six rounds or more you can check in 3 decks.

Mike

Matman · « **Reply #15 on:** August 10, 2009, 07:15:02 PM »

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on August 10, 2009, 04:50:35 PM

Quote from: Matman on August 10, 2009, 04:46:42 PM
So you couldnt come prepared with extra hamans plot for a tournament. That doesn't seem fair, Escpecially if HP is part of your deck. you should be able to replace a card with the same card between rounds.
I totally disagree; it is totally fair. Why should a player with a lot of cards be able to use a plot every single round? The idea of HP is that you choose the best strategic time to use it. HP isn't a card meant to be the base of a deck; it is an emergency card used when you need just one more block.

If you want to use many HPs, check 3 different decks each with one in it.

There are alot of decks built around alot of cards that you dont have to tear up. Michael and Michaels sword for example.
In my opinion I think you should be able to replace a card like that in your deck if you are playing in a tourney.

Matman · « **Reply #16 on:** August 10, 2009, 07:16:43 PM »

Quote from: mjwolfe on August 10, 2009, 05:33:18 PM

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on August 10, 2009, 04:50:35 PM
If you want to use many HPs, check 3 different decks each with one in it.
Just as a clarification...if the event will have five or less rounds, you can only check in two decks. If the event has six rounds or more you can check in 3 decks.

Mike

Can you check the same deck three times and then just change out your HP if you tear it up in a round?

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #17 on:** August 10, 2009, 07:22:50 PM »

No - you'd have to build 3 copies of the same deck.

Matman · « **Reply #18 on:** August 10, 2009, 07:30:05 PM »

Quote from: RedemptionAggie on August 10, 2009, 07:22:50 PM

No - you'd have to build 3 copies of the same deck.

So I guess there are some legal options if you want to have HP in your deck every round at a tournament.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #19 on:** August 10, 2009, 07:40:13 PM »

Quote from: Matman on August 10, 2009, 07:15:02 PM

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on August 10, 2009, 04:50:35 PM
Quote from: Matman on August 10, 2009, 04:46:42 PM
So you couldnt come prepared with extra hamans plot for a tournament. That doesn't seem fair, Escpecially if HP is part of your deck. you should be able to replace a card with the same card between rounds.
I totally disagree; it is totally fair. Why should a player with a lot of cards be able to use a plot every single round? The idea of HP is that you choose the best strategic time to use it. HP isn't a card meant to be the base of a deck; it is an emergency card used when you need just one more block.

If you want to use many HPs, check 3 different decks each with one in it.

There are alot of decks built around alot of cards that you dont have to tear up. Michael and Michaels sword for example.
In my opinion I think you should be able to replace a card like that in your deck if you are playing in a tourney.

And why would you ever have to replace a Michael's Sword between rounds? And btw, very few recent decks use either of those.

Quote from: Matman on August 10, 2009, 07:30:05 PM

Quote from: RedemptionAggie on August 10, 2009, 07:22:50 PM
No - you'd have to build 3 copies of the same deck.

So I guess there are some legal options if you want to have HP in your deck every round at a tournament.

If you had the cards to build 3 copies of the same deck and rip a HP in 3 different rounds, I don't think that you would have to rely on a "cheap and easy" card like HP as your only chance to win a round. Nothing against the card, but it doesn't imply much strategy.

Matman · « **Reply #20 on:** August 10, 2009, 09:46:07 PM »

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on August 10, 2009, 07:40:13 PM

Quote from: Matman on August 10, 2009, 07:15:02 PM
Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on August 10, 2009, 04:50:35 PM
Quote from: Matman on August 10, 2009, 04:46:42 PM
So you couldnt come prepared with extra hamans plot for a tournament. That doesn't seem fair, Escpecially if HP is part of your deck. you should be able to replace a card with the same card between rounds.
I totally disagree; it is totally fair. Why should a player with a lot of cards be able to use a plot every single round? The idea of HP is that you choose the best strategic time to use it. HP isn't a card meant to be the base of a deck; it is an emergency card used when you need just one more block.

If you want to use many HPs, check 3 different decks each with one in it.

There are alot of decks built around alot of cards that you dont have to tear up. Michael and Michaels sword for example.
In my opinion I think you should be able to replace a card like that in your deck if you are playing in a tourney.

And why would you ever have to replace a Michael's Sword between rounds? And btw, very few recent decks use either of those.

My point was there are alot of cards that decks are built around a card or set of cards. The fact is one there is a cards that gets ripped in half. So why am I not be able to replace the main part of my deck for the next round of the tournament. (I was using Micheal and his sword were and example).

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #21 on:** August 10, 2009, 11:39:53 PM »

Quote from: Matman on August 10, 2009, 09:46:07 PM

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on August 10, 2009, 07:40:13 PM
Quote from: Matman on August 10, 2009, 07:15:02 PM
Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on August 10, 2009, 04:50:35 PM
Quote from: Matman on August 10, 2009, 04:46:42 PM
So you couldnt come prepared with extra hamans plot for a tournament. That doesn't seem fair, Escpecially if HP is part of your deck. you should be able to replace a card with the same card between rounds.
I totally disagree; it is totally fair. Why should a player with a lot of cards be able to use a plot every single round? The idea of HP is that you choose the best strategic time to use it. HP isn't a card meant to be the base of a deck; it is an emergency card used when you need just one more block.

If you want to use many HPs, check 3 different decks each with one in it.

There are alot of decks built around alot of cards that you dont have to tear up. Michael and Michaels sword for example.
In my opinion I think you should be able to replace a card like that in your deck if you are playing in a tourney.

And why would you ever have to replace a Michael's Sword between rounds? And btw, very few recent decks use either of those.

My point was there are alot of cards that decks are built around a card or set of cards. The fact is one there is a cards that gets ripped in half. So why am I not be able to replace the main part of my deck for the next round of the tournament. (I was using Micheal and his sword were and example).

My point is that HP is designed to NOT be a main part of a deck, on purpose. It is the only card that does this (and was only made OP'D because of the ripping) and thus should not be made as a deck foundation.

Use it for backup and occasional use; not as a main deck strategy.

NWJosh · « **Reply #22 on:** August 10, 2009, 11:49:46 PM »

I've both heard of players and myself checked in identical decks before that included HP's. I did it because its just addicting to rip them in matches.

If you could replace your HP's each time you ripped one that would be unfair due to its super power.

Plus if you replace it then you wouldn't be able to to tell your next opponent how lucky they are that you already used your HP.

Matman · « **Reply #23 on:** August 11, 2009, 12:08:21 AM »

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on August 10, 2009, 11:39:53 PM

Quote from: Matman on August 10, 2009, 09:46:07 PM
Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on August 10, 2009, 07:40:13 PM
Quote from: Matman on August 10, 2009, 07:15:02 PM
Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on August 10, 2009, 04:50:35 PM
Quote from: Matman on August 10, 2009, 04:46:42 PM
So you couldnt come prepared with extra hamans plot for a tournament. That doesn't seem fair, Escpecially if HP is part of your deck. you should be able to replace a card with the same card between rounds.
I totally disagree; it is totally fair. Why should a player with a lot of cards be able to use a plot every single round? The idea of HP is that you choose the best strategic time to use it. HP isn't a card meant to be the base of a deck; it is an emergency card used when you need just one more block.

If you want to use many HPs, check 3 different decks each with one in it.

There are alot of decks built around alot of cards that you dont have to tear up. Michael and Michaels sword for example.
In my opinion I think you should be able to replace a card like that in your deck if you are playing in a tourney.

And why would you ever have to replace a Michael's Sword between rounds? And btw, very few recent decks use either of those.

My point was there are alot of cards that decks are built around a card or set of cards. The fact is one there is a cards that gets ripped in half. So why am I not be able to replace the main part of my deck for the next round of the tournament. (I was using Micheal and his sword were and example).

My point is that HP is designed to NOT be a main part of a deck, on purpose. It is the only card that does this (and was only made OP'D because of the ripping) and thus should not be made as a deck foundation.

Use it for backup and occasional use; not as a main deck strategy.

You make a good point I hadn't looked at it like that. I was looking at HP as a center piece when it shouldn't be.

Gabe · « **Reply #24 on:** August 11, 2009, 08:37:41 AM »

I registered 3 identicle decks for T1-2P at Nationals this year. Each deck was 51 cards and contained a Haman's Plot. I ripped one Haman's Plot in the 2nd round, one in the 5th round and by the 8th and final round I ripped my 3rd Haman's Plot.

Part of the fun of only being able to rip 3 Haman's Plot in 8 games is deciding when you need to use it and when you should save it for another game.

Paladin · « **Reply #25 on:** August 11, 2009, 08:48:51 AM »

There is only one thing I know of that binds the good and the evil. Try using duckt tape on a torn card.

coltsboy29 · « **Reply #26 on:** August 11, 2009, 09:13:27 AM »

since we're sort of on the subject, I was wondering if sleeves are allowed at tournaments. A few of my cards have tiny markings on them from their previous owners. Thanks for the help.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #27 on:** August 11, 2009, 09:15:25 AM »

As long as the sleeves all match, then yes. In fact, sleeves are preferred since it makes getting all your cards back at the end of the game easier.

NWJosh · « **Reply #28 on:** August 11, 2009, 09:39:23 AM »

Sleeves are very much encouraged and with teh new foil cards, sleeves are almost a must because you can tell a slight difference between the foils and the regular cards. Plus you can tell the difference in touch between teh priests cards and older sets. I don't require sleeves at my tourneys but any one who doesn't have sleeves I try and give them some for the tourney.

Paladin · « **Reply #29 on:** August 11, 2009, 12:01:44 PM »

Sleeves show off the deck so if you have any, make sure there all the same. Also make sure you have enough because I lost one of my sleeves and I had -1 for a T2 deck and the place I got them from stopped selling them.

The Schaef · « **Reply #30 on:** August 11, 2009, 12:14:59 PM »

And make sure your sleeve backs are all the same shade of black

NWJosh · « **Reply #31 on:** August 11, 2009, 12:18:58 PM »

Quote from: The Schaef on August 11, 2009, 12:14:59 PM

And make sure your sleeve backs are all the same shade of black

I've had decks completely sleeved with what I thought were the same black sleeves only to find a few were lighter or a bit off from the other sleeves and had to go searching for the missing sleeves. Also be aware that red sleeves look very alike but can have different shades. I've learned my lesson to just buy 200 sleeves that match and keep them always together in a box or tin.

ejberkenpas22 · « **Reply #32 on:** August 11, 2009, 12:20:40 PM »

Shaef what is your picture? I have wondered ever since I saw it. haha

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #33 on:** August 11, 2009, 12:22:56 PM »

Quote from: ejberkenpas22 on August 11, 2009, 12:20:40 PM

Shaef what is your picture? I have wondered ever since I saw it. haha

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Author Topic: Is there a rule against playing with torn up cards? (Read 5440 times)

Chronic Apathy

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