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Title: in what order does this activate?
Post by: batman6768 on October 14, 2009, 11:01:39 PM
ok provisions choose the blocker with a prophet with a special ability with hidden treasures activate?
Title: Re: in what order does this activate?
Post by: sk on October 14, 2009, 11:11:03 PM
1. Hero's special ability completes (Prophet)
2. Triggered ability completes (HT & enhancement)
3. Gained choose-the-blocker ability completes (Provisions)
Title: Re: in what order does this activate?
Post by: Gabe on October 14, 2009, 11:50:58 PM
1. Hero's special ability completes (Prophet)
2. Triggered ability completes (HT & enhancement)
3. Gained choose-the-blocker ability completes (Provisions)

Unless there's been a rule change that I missed, that's not quite correct.

1. Hero abilities complete
2. Provisions completes
3. Abilities triggered by the Hero entering battle completes (Hidden Treasures)
Title: Re: in what order does this activate?
Post by: batman6768 on October 14, 2009, 11:51:39 PM
I agree with gabe once again.  :o
Title: Re: in what order does this activate?
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on October 14, 2009, 11:52:19 PM
I'm pretty sure CTB abilities are always last...
Title: Re: in what order does this activate?
Post by: Gabe on October 15, 2009, 01:06:08 AM
You don't have to take my word for it.  :)

Choose the blocker happens last.  Hidden Treasures is a response, though, so it happens AFTER you've already selected the blocker.  So, you had to first choose a legal blocker.

Hidden Treasures cannot insert itself between the abilities on the Hero. The process of "beginning a battle" includes resolving all special abilities - even gained abilities, like Provisions - so Hidden Treasures doesn't allow the playing of an enhancement until a blocker is presented.
Title: Re: in what order does this activate?
Post by: batman6768 on October 15, 2009, 01:37:18 AM
looks like I am now agreeing with a number of people  :-*
Title: Re: in what order does this activate?
Post by: Prof Underwood on October 15, 2009, 02:26:20 AM
You don't have to take my word for it.  :)
Ahhhh, Reading Rainbow will be missed :(
Title: Re: in what order does this activate?
Post by: sk on October 15, 2009, 02:37:49 AM
Huh, I thought all CTB abilities on all cards were delayed until all other triggers and abilities were completed.  After a search, it looks like I reversed steps 7 & 8...

1. Hero leaves hand or territory
2. Hero enters Field of Battle
3. Activate special ability on Hero
4. Activate gained abilities
5. Activate weapon-class abilities
6. Activate banding abilities
7. Activate choose the blocker abilities
8. Activate special abilities triggered by the beginning of battle
9. Declare intent of battle

Apologies...
Title: Re: in what order does this activate?
Post by: Minister Polarius on October 15, 2009, 02:45:14 AM
It's all good, for years we've been hearing the "CTB last" mantra.
Title: Re: in what order does this activate?
Post by: Ironica on October 15, 2009, 03:13:22 PM
You don't have to take my word for it.  :)
Ahhhh, Reading Rainbow will be missed :(

I used to watch that show before school all the time when I was a kid (when they had the kids come on at the end describing the books, I would run into my room, get dress, and get back before they were done :))
Title: Re: in what order does this activate?
Post by: Tracer Burnout on October 15, 2009, 04:14:48 PM
You don't have to take my word for it.  :)
Ahhhh, Reading Rainbow will be missed :(

I used to watch that show before school all the time when I was a kid (when they had the kids come on at the end describing the books, I would run into my room, get dress, and get back before they were done :))


Get dress???  I'm hoping your a girl or that's a typo?  hahah lol
Title: Re: in what order does this activate?
Post by: adamfincher on October 15, 2009, 04:35:43 PM
what if you did haggai to lets say joshua?
Title: Re: in what order does this activate?
Post by: sk on October 15, 2009, 06:45:59 PM
HT requires a lone prophet...
Title: Re: in what order does this activate?
Post by: adamfincher on October 15, 2009, 07:14:51 PM
HT requires a lone prophet...
no, once they start the battle...
Title: Re: in what order does this activate?
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on October 15, 2009, 07:54:35 PM
HT requires a lone prophet...
no, once they start the battle...

No.....
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Once per turn, if your lone green brigade prophet begins a battle, you may play an Enhancement or discard an Evil Enhancement in an opponent's deck.

My question is: what does the lone mean?  Must your prophet be the only hero in battle, or must he only be the only prophet in battle?  Lone could mean both...  I think it's only hero in battle, but I"m not sure.
Title: Re: in what order does this activate?
Post by: sk on October 15, 2009, 08:11:04 PM
The band happens in Step #3.  At that point, it is no longer a lone prophet in battle, but a prophet and a priest.  When HT was released, it was ruled that "lone" requires that no band at all happens before HT checks (I think the scenario had a Gathered prophet band to ET or something).
Title: Re: in what order does this activate?
Post by: EmJayBee83 on October 16, 2009, 02:38:41 AM
What if you gathered a prophet, then banded him to Ahimaaz, looked at your opponent's hand and had Ahimaaz run away?  Lone prophet beginning a battle or not as far as HT is concerned?

Does it matter if the second card is turned up or if it is a Tuesday?
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