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No it doesn't. Look at the G/H insert or online REG page that shows the Redemption card layout.
It does not include hand, draw pile, discard pile, and cards face down in play.
I think there was a misunderstanding here. When Gabe said Quote from: theselfevident on August 15, 2011, 03:26:40 PMIt does not include hand, draw pile, discard pile, and cards face down in play.he meant that those cards are not in battle, not excluded from not in battle.
Your draw pile isn't in battle. That's all there is to it.
Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 15, 2011, 03:42:49 PMYour draw pile isn't in battle. That's all there is to it.Then why isn't it protected by Lampstand of the Sanc. then? Or your hand?
It says discard a card in battle, so you discard a card in battle.It's really not that hard to comprehend that "not in battle" means "in play or set aside".
What does in battle or not in battle have to do with anything?All this ruling is doing is clarifying what "not in battle" means for the 5 cards that actually use the language. It's not arbitary at all; it was ruled in order to prevent cards from being broken. Lampstand protecting your hand was a slight casulty of the ruling in order to make it consistant.
It's really simple. Not in battle = cards face up on the table that are not in the field of battle (see the card layout from the G/H starter if you don't know where the field of battle is).As a clarification the definition of "not in battle" excludes your hand, deck and discard pile.You may not like that definition, honestly I don't either, but lets not pretend it's hard to understand. The elders spend a great deal of time discussing this topic and it's implications and this is the final decision.
This rulling strengthens a card people want to ban.
Quote from: theselfevident on August 15, 2011, 04:03:28 PMThis rulling strengthens a card people want to ban.I agree and that is why it was not my preference. For consistency in the game, simple rules and less errata it needed to be ruled this way. The problem card is Lampstand. The wording on that card leaves a lot of room for improvement. I hope that we can reprint it some day soon and make it work like it's supposed to.
It is not in battle. However, it is not protected by Mayhem due to this ruling. The ruling was created in order to check an absurdly broken combo with Angry Mob that should have been legal based on the ruling of Lampstand. In order to do this, Lampstand had to be depowered unfortunately.You are being really ridiculous, to be completely honest. There's a difference between a literal interpretation of cards and pharisitically following every minute detail of the exact specific way cards are worded despite broken combos.
Well hopefully so because the intent of the card is now broken...
Not at all. If you interpret Angry Mob literally, it should leave all heroes turned facedown. It should also pull all heroes from everywhere (including deck, discard, and hand) unless this ruling was made.
Angry Mob never specifies when they flip face up. Therefore, they should stay face down until something causes them to flip face up. You can't just flip cards up and down. However, face down was just a clarifier.It'd be pretty simple to practice with Angry Mob and get it to always face your opponent. Even if it hit you, it wouldn't matter unless your opponent was also using Bringing Fear/Wrath.
It'd be pretty simple to practice with Angry Mob and get it to always face your opponent. Even if it hit you, it wouldn't matter unless your opponent was also using Bringing Fear/Wrath.
I still think it would be easier and logical to have cards that say "not in battle" to default in play like every other card.
I'm not a big fan of strengthening Mayhem but I think it would be more consistent to have cards like Lampstand default into play. And for Mayhem we still have Nazareth and Simon the Zealot.
I also think that Lampstand weakens the dominants that have to be weakened less than some others, I don't see the evil dominants as being the problem, except maybe Mayhem, but that's really only on the first turn that its overpowered. Really the dominants that are the problem are New Jerusalem, Grapes of Wrath (more because of its versatility than its power), and maybe Son of God, although on its own (without NJ) I don't think its bad. I've always though of defensive ones as fine because they really help make the game more interesting while getting easy rescues makes it more simple and boring.
The only reason there isn't a battle phase is because people don't play defense. I've had waay more fun with more battle phases by playing Trolololol, which survived at least one first turn Mayhem.
