Author Topic: immune + banding>negate banding? (Read 9758 times)

Warrior_Monk · « **on:** January 31, 2009, 03:35:14 PM »

if I'm immune and banded, can they negate my banding?

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #1 on:** January 31, 2009, 03:38:09 PM »

Totally depends. What banding card? Immune stops the character from being harmed. Go off of that. Negating a character's ability is protected by immunity. Negating an enhancement played by that character is not.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #2 on:** January 31, 2009, 03:43:12 PM »

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on January 31, 2009, 03:38:09 PM

Totally depends. What banding card? Immune stops the character from being harmed. Go off of that. Negating a character's ability is protected by immunity. Negating an enhancement played by that character is not.

no immune stops the character from being targeted. hero banding.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #3 on:** January 31, 2009, 03:50:11 PM »

If immunity stopped your opponent from negating, it would technically be CBI, wouldn't it?

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #4 on:** January 31, 2009, 03:52:04 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on January 31, 2009, 03:50:11 PM

If immunity stopped your opponent from negating, it would technically be CBI, wouldn't it?

negating banding, not immunity.

galadgawyn · « **Reply #5 on:** January 31, 2009, 05:37:36 PM »

According to the Protection of Angels debate, I don't think that is correct. I think the current definition of protect says that you cannot protect from negation so regardless of what kind of protection you have any of your abilities can be negated. The only exception to this is having the "cannot be negated" type abilities. That is the only protection that protects from negation.

lightningninja · « **Reply #6 on:** January 31, 2009, 05:40:25 PM »

Galadywin is correct. You can negate his banding.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #7 on:** January 31, 2009, 06:52:53 PM »

protect is not immune. it falls in the same catagory, but it does not mean the same thing. it has nothing to do with Protection of Angels...

sk · « **Reply #8 on:** January 31, 2009, 07:14:49 PM »

No. Strong Angel enters battle, makes battle BTN. The Stars is negated. Strong Angel exits battle, but battle remains BTN, so The Stars doesn't reactivate.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #9 on:** January 31, 2009, 07:19:02 PM »

Quote from: the musicain on January 31, 2009, 07:15:38 PM

well isnt ther a rule called the endless loop? BTN?

No. like sk said, once TSA (or whoever's causing BTN) enters battle, the battle STAYS BTN.

sk · « **Reply #10 on:** January 31, 2009, 07:20:04 PM »

Quote from: the musicain on January 31, 2009, 07:15:38 PM

well isnt ther a rule called the endless loop? BTN?

No. BTN = By the numbers.

Scottie_ffgamer · « **Reply #11 on:** January 31, 2009, 07:50:32 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on January 31, 2009, 06:52:53 PM

protect is not immune. it falls in the same catagory, but it does not mean the same thing. it has nothing to do with Protection of Angels...

Ring Wraith, when galadgawyn mentioned the 'protection of angels debate', he didn't mean that PoA had anything to do directly with this situation, but that there has already been a discussion on this subject.

I think that the banding would able to be negated.

Quote from: REG

You cannot target something that is immune.

Technically, if you are negating all banding or making it BTN, you aren't targeting the Hero. If the Hero's ability was banding, and someone played something to negate that hero's SA, then I don't think so. But negating banding in general or making it BTN would work. But again, that's just my opinion.....

Arch Angel · « **Reply #12 on:** January 31, 2009, 10:55:58 PM »

How is directly targeting a single character's ability any different than negating all banding or making the battle FBTN? Immunity does not stop negate.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #13 on:** January 31, 2009, 11:10:26 PM »

I don't think that the SA's of immune characters should be negatable until the immune is removed. (That is, the character SA, not necessarily his/her enhancements.)

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #14 on:** January 31, 2009, 11:26:39 PM »

unless you interrupt the immunity, how can the character be targeted for a negate? you are targeting the char. S.A. which is targeting a character.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #15 on:** January 31, 2009, 11:31:56 PM »

Exactly.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #16 on:** February 01, 2009, 02:09:22 AM »

Not to sound off but, what immune hero can band(with negatable banding)?

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #17 on:** February 01, 2009, 08:45:53 AM »

Hmmm...King Hezekiah (kings) I think.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #18 on:** February 01, 2009, 08:57:12 AM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 01, 2009, 02:09:22 AM

Not to sound off but, what immune hero can band(with negatable banding)?

grain offering... I'm reviving it.

777Godspeed · « **Reply #19 on:** February 01, 2009, 12:24:15 PM »

Here is the scenario that was in the PoA discussion about negating a band.
Cherubim bands to ET and Protection of Angels is played.
Twelve-Fingered Giant is used to block.
The question was "Does TFG negate the band?"
after a long discussion the Official Answer was "Yes."

Cherubim
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Silver • Ability: 5 / 5 • Class: None • Special Ability: May band to any Purple Brigade Hero. • Identifiers: Generic OT Male Angel • Verse: Ezekiel 10:14 •

Ethiopian Treasurer
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: 5 / 4 • Class: None • Special Ability: Search own draw pile or discard pile for one Bible icon with no special abilities. Holder may play the next enhancement card. • Play As: Holder must search own draw pile or discard pile for one Bible icon with no special abilities and put it in hand. Holder may play the next enhancement card. • Identifiers: NT Male Human • Verse: Acts 8:27 •

Protection of Angels
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Silver • Ability: 2 / 3 • Class: None • Special Ability: Interrupt the battle and protect all Heroes in play and set aside areas from evil cards until end of turn. • Identifiers: OT, Involves Music • Verse: Psalms 91:11 •

The Twelve-Fingered Giant
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Black • Ability: 6 / 12 • Class: Warrior • Special Ability: Negate all banding abilities. Cannot be negated. • Identifiers: OT Male Giant (Human), Philistia, Fought Earthly Battle • Verse: I Chronicles 20:6 •

In essence, TFGs "Negate all banding abilities" is attempting to target Cherubims banding to ET. Because TFGs 'Negate all banding abilities. Cannot be negated." SA, it essentianlly "punches a hole" through the protection and negates the band. If TFGs "Cannot Be Negated" part had been left off ot the card, TFG would attempt to target the band, but PoA would protect the band.

From the REG:
All of the following phrases are protect abilities:
• Protect …
• Is protected from …
• Is prevented from being …
• Cannot be …
• May not be …
• May only be … by
• Must be … by
• Immune to …
• Ignores …

Protect
Protect allows cards to be unaffected by specified special abilities.

Immune
Immune is a special ability for characters. Immunity protects a character from being defeated or directly affected by another card. An immunity card does not prevent that type of character from entering the Field of Battle.
Note: Immunity on a character does not protect other characters that may be banded into battle.

Notice that each of the abilities above does not prevent a special ability. They only limit the special ability to other targets.

General Description - Cannot Be Negated
“Cannot be negated” is a combination of “cannot be interrupted” and “cannot be prevented” (see Cannot be Negated in the glossary of the rulebook [p. 41]). “Cannot be negated” specifically targets the negate special ability, the interrupt special ability, and the prevent special ability. “Cannot be negated” cannot be stopped.

however, “Cannot be negated” abilities cannot be negated even by other “cannot be negated” abilities.

Hope this helps to solve your question about immune + banding>negate banding?
The answer is clear, but the situation will ultimately dictate how it is played out.

Godspeed,
Mike

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #20 on:** February 01, 2009, 01:52:56 PM »

Quote from: 777Godspeed on February 01, 2009, 12:24:15 PM

Immune
Immune is a special ability for characters. Immunity protects a character from being defeated or directly affected by another card. An immunity card does not prevent that type of character from entering the Field of Battle.
Note: Immunity on a character does not protect other characters that may be banded into battle.
abilities.

but it is being directly affected by another card. you're killing the ability without interrupting the immunity.

also, if Immunity and Protect both fall under the catagory of Protect, then how do we define which protect is a protect or protect under a protect? I don't know of a situation that works this way yet, but I can see a "Negate protect abilities" artifact possibility in the near future.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #21 on:** February 01, 2009, 02:03:04 PM »

The Tartan negates all protect abilities on characters and fortresses. But that only targets specific PROTECT abilities. an Immune ability is a form of protect, but it is NOT protect.

Also, why should the fact the 12 fingers' ability is CBN mean anything? There's nothing trying to negate 12 Fingers' Ability.

It works like this...

Negate (Scissors) > Protect, Immune, Ignore, etc (Paper) > Cannot Be Negated (Rock) > Negate (Scissors)

and on and on and on. Negate trumps any form Protect, Ignore or Immune ability unless it is CBN.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #22 on:** February 01, 2009, 02:10:27 PM »

Quote from: Archangel withabunchofnumbersontheend on February 01, 2009, 02:03:04 PM

The Tartan negates all protect abilities on characters and fortresses. But that only targets specific PROTECT abilities. an Immune ability is a form of protect, but it is NOT protect.

Also, why should the fact the 12 fingers' ability is CBN mean anything? There's nothing trying to negate 12 Fingers' Ability.

It works like this...

Negate (Scissors) > Protect, Immune, Ignore, etc (Paper) > Cannot Be Negated (Rock) > Negate (Scissors)

and on and on and on. Negate trumps any form Protect, Ignore or Immune ability unless it is CBN.

no, negate stops any form of protect, ignore, or immune. this immunity is CBN, but we aren't talking about negating that, the question is, since Immune=cannot be targeted can you 'target' a S.A. of a character that is unnegatably immune?

lightningninja · « **Reply #23 on:** February 01, 2009, 05:15:59 PM »

Guys, it really doesn't matter. The answer is official. This may sound harsh... but it really doesn't matter what you think at this point. Just accept the ruling.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #24 on:** February 01, 2009, 05:27:08 PM »

Quote from: fireninja on February 01, 2009, 05:15:59 PM

Guys, it really doesn't matter. The answer is official. This may sound harsh... but it really doesn't matter what you think at this point. Just accept the ruling.

but I don't think it's a just ruling, and I mean to get it changed.

SirNobody · « **Reply #25 on:** February 01, 2009, 05:37:38 PM »

Hey,

Quote from: Ring Wraith on February 01, 2009, 05:27:08 PM

...and I mean to get it changed.

That's not going to happen.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

777Godspeed · « **Reply #26 on:** February 01, 2009, 06:40:38 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on January 31, 2009, 03:35:14 PM

if I'm immune and banded, can they negate my banding?

This is your original question in the first post.
The answer is Yes. Negate = Interrupt and Prevent

From the REG:
Note: Immunity on a character does not protect other characters that may be banded into battle.

Ring Wraith, if you would give us a specific example of the situation you are asking about, listing the cards involved and the SAs we could give you a specific answer, but to go back and forth on this hypothetical situation will not get us anywhere. You have been given the answer to your question with an example and how it was resolved.

Quote from: Archangel withabunchofnumbersontheend on February 01, 2009, 02:03:04 PM

Also, why should the fact the 12 fingers' ability is CBN mean anything? There's nothing trying to negate 12 Fingers' Ability.

No one ever said that there was anything trying to negate TFGs ability.
Go back and reread the example I posted, if fact, I'll post it here for easy reference. TFG is attempting to target a protected band.

Quote from: 777Godspeed on February 01, 2009, 12:24:15 PM

Here is the scenario that was in the PoA discussion about negating a band.
Cherubim bands to ET and Protection of Angels is played.
Twelve-Fingered Giant is used to block.
The question was "Does TFG negate the band?"
after a long discussion the Official Answer was "Yes."

Cherubim
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Silver • Ability: 5 / 5 • Class: None • Special Ability: May band to any Purple Brigade Hero. • Identifiers: Generic OT Male Angel • Verse: Ezekiel 10:14 •

Ethiopian Treasurer
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: 5 / 4 • Class: None • Special Ability: Search own draw pile or discard pile for one Bible icon with no special abilities. Holder may play the next enhancement card. • Play As: Holder must search own draw pile or discard pile for one Bible icon with no special abilities and put it in hand. Holder may play the next enhancement card. • Identifiers: NT Male Human • Verse: Acts 8:27 •

Protection of Angels
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Silver • Ability: 2 / 3 • Class: None • Special Ability: Interrupt the battle and protect all Heroes in play and set aside areas from evil cards until end of turn. • Identifiers: OT, Involves Music • Verse: Psalms 91:11 •

The Twelve-Fingered Giant
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Black • Ability: 6 / 12 • Class: Warrior • Special Ability: Negate all banding abilities. Cannot be negated. • Identifiers: OT Male Giant (Human), Philistia, Fought Earthly Battle • Verse: I Chronicles 20:6 •

In essence, TFGs "Negate all banding abilities" is attempting to target Cherubims banding to ET. Because TFGs 'Negate all banding abilities. Cannot be negated." SA, it essentianlly "punches a hole" through the protection and negates the band. If TFGs "Cannot Be Negated" part had been left off ot the card, TFG would attempt to target the band, but PoA would protect the band.

General Description - Cannot Be Negated
“Cannot be negated” is a combination of “cannot be interrupted” and “cannot be prevented” (see Cannot be Negated in the glossary of the rulebook [p. 41]). “Cannot be negated” specifically targets the negate special ability, the interrupt special ability, and the prevent special ability. “Cannot be negated” cannot be stopped.

however, “Cannot be negated” abilities cannot be negated even by other “cannot be negated” abilities.

I hope this clarifies any ambiguity in the answer, which is 42.

Godspeed,
Mike

Arch Angel · « **Reply #27 on:** February 01, 2009, 08:28:23 PM »

I understand what you said, the part I don't understand or agree with is...

Quote from: 777Godspeed on February 01, 2009, 12:24:15 PM

If TFGs "Cannot Be Negated" part had been left off ot the card, TFG would attempt to target the band, but PoA would protect the band.

Negate trumps Protect/Immune/Ignore unless the Protection ability is CBN. Why should TFG's Protection from being negated matter at all if nothing is trying to negate it?

777Godspeed · « **Reply #28 on:** February 01, 2009, 09:16:07 PM »

Quote from: Archangel withabunchofnumbersontheend on February 01, 2009, 08:28:23 PM

I understand what you said, the part I don't understand or agree with is...

Quote from: 777Godspeed on February 01, 2009, 12:24:15 PM
If TFGs "Cannot Be Negated" part had been left off ot the card, TFG would attempt to target the band, but PoA would protect the band.

Negate trumps Protect/Immune/Ignore unless the Protection ability is CBN. Why should TFG's Protection from being negated matter at all if nothing is trying to negate it?

Without the original thread to fallback on my memory is a bit fuzzy on the details. You are correct that the negate would get through the protect and negate the band. Whether we agree with it or not, that is the Official Ruling. The CBN on TFGs SA is there because of HoH, TSA, CotH, Ben and all the FbtN chains that would try to stop his SA.

Disregard this:

Quote from: 777Godspeed on February 01, 2009, 12:24:15 PM

If TFGs "Cannot Be Negated" part had been left off ot the card, TFG would attempt to target the band, but PoA would protect the band.

I had confused myself in my own explantion.

Godspeed,
Mike

Scottie_ffgamer · « **Reply #29 on:** February 01, 2009, 10:00:29 PM »

Perhaps it is my lack of proper understanding...but I thought that protect abilities protected something even from CBN abilities. Example:

Player A starts a RA. Player B blocks with Pale Green Weapon class EC. Player B has Carcasses active and plays Confusion. Player A has Jerusalem Tower out. Doesn't Jerusalem Tower win out over Confusion even though it's CBN? Isn't that the same idea of having this? If Immune is a form of protect, it shouldn't be able to be effected by any ability unless interrupted first regardless of CBN.

Carcasses - Type: Curse • Brigade: Black • Ability: 1 / 5 • Class: None • Special Ability: If a warrior class Evil Character is in battle, discard abilities on evil Enhancements cannot be negated. May be used for two rounds. • Identifiers: OT • Verse: Deuteronomy 28:26 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Uncommon)

Confusion - Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Pale Green • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Owner may look through one opponent's draw pile, discard one card and shuffle remaining cards. • Play As: Search any opponent's deck and discard any card. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Isaiah 5:20 • Availability: Prophets booster packs (Rare)

Again, I know the officially ruling has been made, but I guess I'm just looking for proper reasoning.
Jerusalem Tower - Type: Fortress • Brigade: Multicolor • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: No opponent may remove a card from holder's draw pile. Draw pile may still be searched and/or shuffled. • Play As: All opponents are prevented from removing cards from holder’s draw pile. Draw pile may still be searched, revealed, and/or shuffled. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Nehemiah 12:38 • Availability: Patriarchs booster packs (Rare)

Arch Angel · « **Reply #30 on:** February 01, 2009, 10:26:58 PM »

TFG's CNB ability has nothing to do with why he can negate a protected banding. Negate simply trumps protect.

In your scenario you're correct, JT does protect against Confusion because Protect trumps Cannot be Negated.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #31 on:** February 01, 2009, 10:43:55 PM »

ok, here's the cards

Alter of Burnt Offering (can play an offering enhancement during prep. phase, it activates and is discarded). Grain Offering (All heroes are immune to selected brigade color for this turn). Caleb (bands to men of judah), Men of Judah, TFG (negates banding. CBN)

I play Grain Offering on Alter of Burnt Offering, and am immune to black. I RA with Caleb banded to Men of Judah. my advisary blocks with Twelve Fingered Giant. can he negate my banding?

sk · « **Reply #32 on:** February 02, 2009, 03:16:46 AM »

Quote from: Scottie_ffgamer on February 01, 2009, 10:00:29 PM

Doesn't Jerusalem Tower win out over Confusion even though it's CBN?

Quote from: Archangel withabunchofnumbersontheend on February 01, 2009, 10:26:58 PM

TIn your scenario you're correct, JT does protect against Confusion because Protect trumps Cannot be Negated.

Not true. JT is a prevent, not a protect:

Jerusalem Tower
Type: Fortress • Brigade: Multicolor • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: No opponent may remove a card from holder's draw pile. Draw pile may still be searched and/or shuffled. • Play As: All opponents are prevented from removing cards from holder’s draw pile. Draw pile may still be searched, revealed, and/or shuffled.

Thus JT cannot stop a CBN Confusion.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #33 on:** February 02, 2009, 12:50:10 PM »

Quote from: sk on February 02, 2009, 03:16:46 AM

Quote from: Scottie_ffgamer on February 01, 2009, 10:00:29 PM
Doesn't Jerusalem Tower win out over Confusion even though it's CBN?
Not true. JT is a prevent, not a protect:

That's what I get for not actually reading JT's play as.

Quote from: Ring Wraith on February 01, 2009, 10:43:55 PM

I play Grain Offering on Alter of Burnt Offering, and am immune to black. I RA with Caleb banded to Men of Judah. my advisary blocks with Twelve Fingered Giant. can he negate my banding?

Yes, he can negate your banding.

Side question: do you play the enhancements ON Altar of Burnt Offering, or through it? You still have to have a matching brigade character in your territory, right?

Altar of Burnt Offering
Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: You may play up to two offering Enhancements during your preparation phase. They activate immediately, and then are discarded.

Grain Offering
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Teal • Ability: 2 / 5 • Class: None • Special Ability: All Heroes in play are immune to selected evil brigade this turn.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #34 on:** February 02, 2009, 04:25:51 PM »

yes is what everybody's saying, my question is how can he target my S.A. if all the character's cannot be targeted?

The Schaef · « **Reply #35 on:** February 02, 2009, 05:01:13 PM »

Negate trumps immunity. The card works.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #36 on:** February 02, 2009, 05:05:57 PM »

On this topic, what if its CBN immunity/Protection?

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #37 on:** February 02, 2009, 05:06:32 PM »

Quote from: The Schaef on February 02, 2009, 05:01:13 PM

Negate trumps immunity. The card works.

bah humbug. *mumbles disagreements, but stays silent and accepts the ruling*

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 02, 2009, 05:05:57 PM

On this topic, what if its CBN immunity/Protection?

because it is...

Arch Angel · « **Reply #38 on:** February 03, 2009, 08:39:18 AM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 02, 2009, 05:05:57 PM

On this topic, what if its CBN immunity/Protection?

I still think it should work, because TFG's not targeting the protect ability but simply targeting the band. But I'm not positive.

JSB23 · « **Reply #39 on:** February 03, 2009, 08:46:55 AM »

Quote from: Archangel withabunchofnumbersontheend on February 02, 2009, 12:50:10 PM

Side question: do you play the enhancements ON Altar of Burnt Offering, or through it? You still have to have a matching brigade character in your territory, right?

Altar of Burnt Offering
Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: You may play up to two offering Enhancements during your preparation phase. They activate immediately, and then are discarded.

Grain Offering
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Teal • Ability: 2 / 5 • Class: None • Special Ability: All Heroes in play are immune to selected evil brigade this turn.

Side Answer: You do not need to have a character of matching brigade in territory to play an offering on Altar of Burnt Offerings.

Gabe · « **Reply #40 on:** February 03, 2009, 08:55:28 AM »

Quote from: JSB23 on February 03, 2009, 08:46:55 AM

Side Answer: You do not need to have a character of matching brigade in territory to play an offering on Altar of Burnt Offerings.

Altar of Burnt Offering does not allow a Hero to use an enhancement they wouldn't normally be able to use. For example, you could not use a teal offering on your green priest. There's nothing in the ability that allows characters to use enhancements of another brigade. Table of Showbread does but not Altar of Burnt Offering.

The Schaef · « **Reply #41 on:** February 03, 2009, 09:42:15 AM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on February 02, 2009, 05:06:32 PM

bah humbug. *mumbles disagreements, but stays silent and accepts the ruling*

Trust me, on this ruling, you are grumbling at the wrong guy.

Gabe · « **Reply #42 on:** February 03, 2009, 10:05:01 AM »

Quote from: The Schaef on February 03, 2009, 09:42:15 AM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on February 02, 2009, 05:06:32 PM
bah humbug. *mumbles disagreements, but stays silent and accepts the ruling*

Trust me, on this ruling, you are grumbling at the wrong guy.

It's true. Schaef argued and argued (with Bryon none the less) on this one and we all know how Schaef can argue (

) but in the end Rob ruled with Bryon. Negate trumps protection every time, even indirectly.

Scottie_ffgamer · « **Reply #43 on:** February 03, 2009, 03:28:07 PM »

Quote from: BrianGabe on February 03, 2009, 08:55:28 AM

Quote from: JSB23 on February 03, 2009, 08:46:55 AM
Side Answer: You do not need to have a character of matching brigade in territory to play an offering on Altar of Burnt Offerings.

Altar of Burnt Offering does not allow a Hero to use an enhancement they wouldn't normally be able to use. For example, you could not use a teal offering on your green priest. There's nothing in the ability that allows characters to use enhancements of another brigade. Table of Showbread does but not Altar of Burnt Offering.

But when you are using Altar of Burnt Offering, you aren't playing an enhancement on a Hero, are you?

Altar of Burnt Offering
Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: You may play up to two offering Enhancements during your preparation phase. They activate immediately, and then are discarded.

It just says you 'may play up to two' enhancements. It doesn't say you play them on a certain hero.

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