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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: browarod on January 21, 2010, 07:33:29 PM
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1. When exactly can I use the effect of Holy Grail? I noticed the Errata says a "human Evil Character in a territory" but it doesn't say anything about "when".
2. Could I use The Woman at the Well to pull out a human Evil Character and then immediately convert with Holy Grail before my opponent blocks with it?
Holy Grail
Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Holder may convert one human Evil Character per turn into a Hero in the brigade color of Holder's choice. Holder is limited to two such conversions per game. • Errata: Holder may convert a human Evil Character in a territory to a Hero in brigade of holder's choice once per turn. May be used twice per game. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Matthew 26:27-28 • Availability: Warriors booster packs (Rare)
The Woman at the Well
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Yellow • Ability: 3 / 4 • Class: None • Special Ability: Search opponent’s deck for a Lost Soul and a human Evil Character and put them in opponent’s territory. Cannot be negated. • Attributes: Samaritan • Identifiers: NT Female Human, Samaria • Verse: John 4:7 • Availability: Thesaurus ex Preteritus booster packs ()
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1. prep phase or battle phase, except the evil character/s in battle.
2. yes. you can also immediately grail a philistine an opponent pulls out with philly outpost.
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1. prep phase or battle phase, except the evil character/s in battle.
1. U can actually convert any time during your turn. However, as MKC said, you can't convert an EC in battle.
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1. prep phase or battle phase, except the evil character/s in battle.
1. U can actually convert any time during your turn. However, as MKC said, you can't convert an EC in battle.
As long as during battle is okay, then in territory is fine ^_^
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you can convert in battle but not the ec in battle?
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you can convert in battle but not the ec in battle?
Correct.
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Holy Grail must be used when activated (see I am Creator ruling)
The ability is optional, but optional does not equal ongoing. You ethier use it when activated or forfeit the ability to use it that turn.
in Him
Chris
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Holy Grail says "may" and I am Creator does not. "May" means it is optional use and can therefore be used at any time, just like Unholy Writ.
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Unholy Writ cannot be used any time. It specifies in battle which makes it different from Holy Grail
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Actually, it doesn't specify a time. It specifies a place.
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Unholy Writ cannot be used any time. It specifies in battle which makes it different from Holy Grail
What about Covenant of Noah?
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If optional abilities MUST be used when they are activated in the prep phase, then please tell me how ANY of the following work?
Holy Grail: Holder may convert one human evil character per turn into a Hero in the brigade color of holder's choice. Holder is limited to two such conversions per game.
Unsucessful: Negate the last good Enhancement played in battle (may be used once).
Covenant of Noah: Use as an enhancement or an Artifact. Interrupt and prevent one evil enhancement. Discard after use.
Go into Captivity: If your warrior class Evil Character is in battle, you may discard this card to capture a Hero.
Unholy Writ: A human Hero in battle may be taken prisoner. Discard Artifact after use.
I am Healing: Holder may heal all of holder’s Heroes in play. May be used twice. (how can this be used as an artifact if it only activates during your prep phase?)
I am Love: If a human Evil Character (except warrior class) is blocking your Hero, interrupt the battle and search discard pile for a white brigade enhancement with “ignore” in the special ability and play it. Limit once per turn. (How can this be used if it only activates once?)
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The ability is optional, but optional does not equal ongoing. You ethier use it when activated or forfeit the ability to use it that turn.
The REG says otherwise about artifacts:
Artifact
An artifact is a card having a continuing effect in the game. A grail icon in the icon box shows the card is an artifact.
So artifacts are by nature, constantly ongoing.
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Whoa! Did somebody say Chris Bany? *waves* ;D
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*waves back*
per the other thread:
having been given the Covenant of Noah example, I agree with the ruling (as confirmed by Bryon) that optional artifacts don't have to be used when activated
thanks
in Him
Chris
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Great! ...Now, there's still the question of Unsuccessful...
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Great! ...Now, there's still the question of Unsuccessful...
Wouldn't Unsuccessful work the same as Covenant of Noah considering they're the same except that they target opposite alignment enhancements?
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Great! ...Now, there's still the question of Unsuccessful...
Wouldn't Unsuccessful work the same as Covenant of Noah considering they're the same except that they target opposite alignment enhancements?
Unsuccessful should work essentially the same way as CoN. However, the question is whether or not you can use them whenever you want as artifacts, since they are not worded as being optional.
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Unsuccessful is worded as optional.
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Unsuccessful is worded as optional.
I thought "(may be used once)" was just considered limited use wording. As in, the card may not be used more than once.