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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: kariusvega on April 15, 2018, 09:02:35 AM
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"Restrict opponent from playing good enhancements with a brigade not already in battle"
This was ruled to include brigades on sites (ie white is white)
My question.. does Ananias's restrict while blocking alone include good enhancements with evil brigades which are in hand dual alignment? Such as Silver/Red/Evil Gold. I think he does for the same reason sites are a way around the restriction. Looking for elder confirmation.
Thanks
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"Restrict opponent from playing good enhancements with a brigade not already in battle"
This was ruled to include brigades on sites (ie white is white)
My question.. does Anania's restrict include good enhancements with evil brigades which are in hand dual alignment? Such as Silver/Green/Black. I think he does for the same reason sites are a way around the restriction. Looking for elder confirmation.
Thanks
Wait, how do sites get around it? Neutral white is different than good white, for example. I'm confused...
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If you have a mono-green hero in battle and you wanted to play Fifth Bowl (silver/green good brigades; black doesn’t matter because you’re playing it as a good enh) then you couldn’t since you don’t have silver brigade represented in battle already.
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If you have a mono-green hero in battle and you wanted to play Fifth Bowl (silver/green good brigades; black doesn’t matter because you’re playing it as a good enh) then you couldn’t since you don’t have silver brigade represented in battle already.
But then if you add Tree of Knowledge to battle from your territory, silver would then be represented as a brigade in battle, so then you could play it.
Even though it would be neutral silver, silver is still in battle and represented, so you can play the good enhancement based on the wording of the restrict.
PS: I agree with The Watchman about ignoring black since you are not playing a black enhancement , but am interested to see if others have a different opinion since it is black in hand. Might not be the best example since black WOULD already be in battle, but hopefully we can ignore that for the intent of the question.
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DAC count as both in hand, deck, discard, and reserve, but the GE portion is distinct from the EE portion (brigade-wise). Good Enhancements can only have good brigades. Therefore, the evil side should not factor in playing through Ananias' restrict.
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DAC count as both in hand, deck, discard, and reserve, but the GE portion is distinct from the EE portion (brigade-wise). Good Enhancements can only have good brigades. Therefore, the evil side should not factor in playing through Ananias' restrict.
I know this is how it is played and intended, but does the extent of Restrict targeting a player restrict the entire card type from being played while part is matching the restrict criteria?
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DAC count as both in hand, deck, discard, and reserve, but the GE portion is distinct from the EE portion (brigade-wise). Good Enhancements can only have good brigades. Therefore, the evil side should not factor in playing through Ananias' restrict.
Good enhancements at face value can have evil brigades - any DAE is an example of this.
Good enhancements played can only have good brigades. Once a DA card is played, it ceases to have the attributes of the unused card type.
The key is Ananias is a Restrict that doesn't allow the playing of a GE, so he only applies to GEs in hand - which are at face value.
You'll still need an Elder to confirm this, but to me it looks like Ananias looks at all brigades, so if there is a DAE with an evil brigade not in battle, that enhancement can't be played, even if it has a good brigade that matches a hero in battle.
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Dual icon cards have two identities, which are associated with separate card icons. The icons can be different icons in the same icon box, or in separate icon boxes (they may be the same or different icons). A dual icon card may indicate that the face value is one identity with a trigger or ability to change to the other identity, or it may be both identities at face value and only becomes one identity when put on the playing surface.
A dual icon card can be targeted by it's face value identity(ies) while at face value, but it is only targeted by the identities that match the specified card type and/or alignment of the targeting ability. Once put on the playing surface, a dual icon card can only be targeted by the active identity or as a dual icon card. Targeting a card as a dual icon card can be in general or the name of a dual icon card with its identities (see Covenant or Curse), and can use all or part of either or both identities.
It's not targeting in this situation, but I'm pretty sure the bolded portion still means the restrict only looks at brigades on the good Enhancement portion of the DAE.
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Dual icon cards have two identities, which are associated with separate card icons. The icons can be different icons in the same icon box, or in separate icon boxes (they may be the same or different icons). A dual icon card may indicate that the face value is one identity with a trigger or ability to change to the other identity, or it may be both identities at face value and only becomes one identity when put on the playing surface.
A dual icon card can be targeted by it's face value identity(ies) while at face value, but it is only targeted by the identities that match the specified card type and/or alignment of the targeting ability. Once put on the playing surface, a dual icon card can only be targeted by the active identity or as a dual icon card. Targeting a card as a dual icon card can be in general or the name of a dual icon card with its identities (see Covenant or Curse), and can use all or part of either or both identities.
It's not targeting in this situation, but I'm pretty sure the bolded portion still means the restrict only looks at brigades on the good Enhancement portion of the DAE.
Thank you for this response. Yes it is the "good enhancement" to "a brigade" which is where the ruling will have to be determined because those identities cross multiple alignments as ruled previously with sites being of neutral with neutral brigades.
Should we consider this an official ruling?
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Yes
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FWIW, that ruling does mean you can discard most DAEs (not the Bowls) for Throne of Grace, since it says "single-brigade good Enhancement", and they usually have only 1 good brigade.