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I don't think suicide is technically considered "defeating in battle."

Just to clarify, does Potiphar's Wife's special ability kick in even if she is discarded at the end of the battle, as in the case of Failed Objective?

Failed Objective
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Gold • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Discard all Evil Characters in battle. All Lost Souls are protected from being rescued by Heroes this turn. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Matthew 25:45 • Availability: Angel Wars booster packs (Ultra Rare)

Potiphar’s Wife
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Gold • Ability: 2 / 2 • Class: None • Special Ability: When character defeats a male Hero in the Field of Battle, the Hero is taken prisoner and placed in your opponent's Land of Bondage and treated as a Lost Soul. • Play As: All male characters defeated (by a win or stalemate) by Potiphar’s Wife in battle are taken prisoner and placed in your opponent's Land of Bondage and treated as a Lost Soul. • Identifiers: OT Female Human, Egypt • Verse: Genesis 39:9 • Availability: Women booster packs (Uncommon) • Background

According to REG:

Defeat
Defeat is caused when a character’s toughness is less than or equal to an opposing character’s strength. A defeat also occurs when a character is stopped from achieving his goal in battle. A Hero(es) is defeated when the Hero(es) in battle are discarded, repelled or otherwise fails to make a successful rescue such as in a stalemate. The Evil Character(s) is defeated when the Evil Character(s) in battle are discarded, ignored or otherwise fails to stop the Hero from making a successful rescue such as in a mutual destruction by numbers.

I would say because of the definition in REG that since the hero "fails to make a successful rescue" then the s/a of Potiphar's wife is satisfied and the Hero is taken prisoner despite the "suicide".

Plain as mud. Sure glad there is an REG. lol.

Seriously BG, Thanks for the post.

If the Hero lives and you don't, you are not defeating the Hero.  Defeat is tied to winning the battle.  There's a lot of talk about the "fail to make a rescue" portion but it more generally means "fails to be the winning guy".  It's just that in this definition, as in a great number of other portions of the rules discussing battles, the rescue is sort of assumed for purposes of explanation, rather than saying "rescue or battle challenge" every time.

The examples of "stalemate" and "mutual by numbers" were added to REG phrasing in an attempt to clarify that these sentences were referring to other battle outcome scenarios besides Hero wins/EC wins.  Mutual by numbers is not a clear last-man-standing win, but because the Hero wins as a result, the Hero defeats the EC.  Similarly, mutual by removal and stalemate are winning scenarios for the EC, and so the EC is defeating the Hero.

Because Failed Objective discards all ECs, and Heroes are surviving, the Heroes win the battle, and therefore have defeated the EC.