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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: Jonesy on September 28, 2014, 10:35:17 AM

Title: Grapes/instead
Post by: Jonesy on September 28, 2014, 10:35:17 AM

If i instead grapes discard do cards still get shuffled and new ra or does the battle keep going?

Title: Re: Grapes/instead
Post by: Minion of Jesus on September 28, 2014, 10:42:16 AM

Battle would continue, since the first part of the ability did not finish, the second can't happen.

Title: Re: Grapes/instead
Post by: Redoubter on September 28, 2014, 06:53:41 PM

The general rule is that when there is a cost-benefit ("Do X to Y"), you only get the benefit if the cost happens.  With Instead, it 'never happened' and the new effect happened 'instead', so you don't get the benefit.

Title: Re: Grapes/instead
Post by: Professoralstad on October 03, 2014, 08:57:49 PM

To that point, it has happened on more than one occasion that my only EC to block with is a lone Wandering Spirit. The first time, I wanted to use Grapes defensively to stop my opponent's 5th rescue. The second my opponent used his Grapes effectively as an AotL. In neither case did I have a Gates of Hell available to get him out.

Title: Re: Grapes/instead
Post by: Minion of Jesus on October 03, 2014, 11:01:42 PM

Quote from: Professoralstad on October 03, 2014, 08:57:49 PM

To that point, it has happened on more than one occasion that my only EC to block with is a lone Wandering Spirit. The first time, I wanted to use Grapes defensively to stop my opponent's 5th rescue. The second my opponent used his Grapes effectively as an AotL. In neither case did I have a Gates of Hell available to get him out.

That is indeed a wretched fate.