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Title: ethical play???
Post by: jbeers285 on April 10, 2013, 12:45:07 AM
i was thinking about adding cheribum to my deck to look at opp hand and place their doms on the top of thier deck however if i used cheribum to go to aaron and then moses i would then negate the look and place.

this would also kick aaron out of battle but not moses?
knowing that i had every intention of negating cheribum is it unethical for me to look at my opponents hand?

also is this against any redemption rules of thumb for instance the no lying rule?
Title: Re: ethical play???
Post by: Drrek on April 10, 2013, 12:57:21 AM
I would say that look would be inherently CBI, (unless you are the mind erase thing from MIB), so there's no ethical thing about it.
Title: Re: ethical play???
Post by: Red on April 10, 2013, 08:24:37 AM
You cant undo the look. This is actually a very ethical play.
Title: Re: ethical play???
Post by: YourMathTeacher on April 10, 2013, 08:48:27 AM
I'm sure Drrek meant either that is was not unethical, or that ethics had nothing to do with it.  ;)

In either case, I agree. Look and reveal are inherently CBI.
Title: Re: ethical play???
Post by: Professoralstad on April 10, 2013, 11:28:01 AM
I'm sure Drrek meant either that is was not unethical, or that ethics had nothing to do with it.  ;)

In either case, I agree. Look and reveal are inherently CBI.

As someone who often plays with Mild Bill, I can tell you that's not completely accurate...;)

But, yeah, there is nothing wrong with that play. It's a similar principle to attacking with Gabriel and searching even though your opponent announces his intention to block with KoT. You still get to search.

So your opponent would get his doms back, and you are correct that the end result would be Cherubim and Moses in a FBTN battle.
Title: Re: ethical play???
Post by: Scoobug on April 10, 2013, 01:10:27 PM
I would say that look would be inherently CBI


So if my opponent plays a card to look at my hand, can I not negate it before he looks?
Title: Re: ethical play???
Post by: Redoubter on April 10, 2013, 02:47:54 PM
I would say that look would be inherently CBI


So if my opponent plays a card to look at my hand, can I not negate it before he looks?

No, any ability must complete before you can negate it.  So in this case, by the time it completes (they look), there is really nothing you can do with a negate.
Title: Re: ethical play???
Post by: The Guardian on April 10, 2013, 02:54:48 PM
Another thing to consider is that looking at your opponent's hand might change what you decide to do in terms of banding so it's definitely not unethical to use the look ability when you plan to negate it.
Title: Re: ethical play???
Post by: YourMathTeacher on April 10, 2013, 03:12:03 PM
I would say that look would be inherently CBI


So if my opponent plays a card to look at my hand, can I not negate it before he looks?

You can negate a "look" or "reveal" if the negate card is played before the look/reveal card. This is functionally a prevent. Drrek's comment was that it cannot be interrupted, thus you cannot negate the reveal/look ability after it has been played.
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