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Title: Ehud vs Fwives
Post by: TheHobbit13 on March 20, 2016, 02:59:05 PM: I Ra auto, d2, and get Gideon. My opponent blocks with Foreign Wives, forcing the battle into a stalemate. Its my initiative so I play Deb's directive to band in Ehud. What happens when ehud chooses the blocker with a protected FWives in battle? Can Ehud add targeted evil character to battle from opponents territory OR does Ehud not get to target at all because he cannot target a protected Fwives for withdraw? In other words is the withdraw part of CTB a prerequisite for adding targeted evil character to battle; is CTB withdraw TO add or is it withdraw AND add?
Title: Re: Ehud vs Fwives
Post by: Redoubter on March 20, 2016, 03:28:27 PM: Quote from: REG 3.0.0 > Choose Opponent > How to Play
A choose opponent ability used after a blocker is presented withdrawsall characters your opponent controls to their owners’ territories and presentsthe selected character. If any character in battle cannot be withdrawn by the choose opponent ability, then no character can be presentedvia that ability.

FW is protected, so nothing happens from Ehud's ability.
Title: Re: Ehud vs Fwives
Post by: TheHobbit13 on March 20, 2016, 03:46:20 PM: Ok, this came up at the Type 2 only and there was not a consensus among Elders; it was ruled the other way.
Title: Re: Ehud vs Fwives
Post by: kariusvega on March 20, 2016, 04:10:27 PM: Quote from: TheHobbit on March 20, 2016, 03:46:20 PM
Ok, this came up at the Type 2 only and there was not a consensus among Elders; it was ruled the other way.

you don't say!! :o
Title: Re: Ehud vs Fwives
Post by: Redoubter on March 20, 2016, 04:44:01 PM: Quote from: TheHobbit on March 20, 2016, 03:46:20 PM
Ok, this came up at the Type 2 only and there was not a consensus among Elders; it was ruled the other way.

I'd say it's not unheard of for judges (even Elder Judges) to rule something incorrectly at a tournament. But it is in the REG (and I think that's been there since before the rewrite), so what I gave earlier is the correct ruling for this situation, should it arise again.
Title: Re: Ehud vs Fwives
Post by: Professoralstad on March 20, 2016, 05:42:39 PM: As one of the players in that game (or at least in one of the games where it came up) I agree with Redoubter (though, to be clear, I was also the one who had Foreign Wives in battle). Fortunately, it did not end up affecting the outcome of the game (well, maybe slightly, but not significantly). I was playing another Elder, who believed differently, and the host ruled in his favor. I had no issue with how it was handled.
Title: Re: Ehud vs Fwives
Post by: YourMathTeacher on March 20, 2016, 06:03:29 PM: Quote from: Redoubter on March 20, 2016, 04:44:01 PM
I'd say it's not unheard of for judges (even Elder Judges) to rule something incorrectly at a tournament.

Come to my tournaments - I mess up rulings all the time. ;D
Title: Re: Ehud vs Fwives
Post by: The Guardian on March 20, 2016, 06:54:00 PM: Who was the other player? I don't remember that being me but I can't think of who else it would have been...
Title: Re: Ehud vs Fwives
Post by: TheHobbit13 on March 20, 2016, 07:11:07 PM: It was Gabe, but honestly it could have gone either way that's why I asked.