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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: Korunks on August 20, 2010, 08:32:54 AM
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Players 1's turn begin's (so all his artifacts are deactivated by game rule is this correct?)
Player 1 then DoN's Player 2's annoying artifact, then pops back up lampstand (it was active in the previous turn.)
I could have sworn this play was not allowed but after reviewing the rules and searching the post's I cannot find anything that says that this is ot a legal play. Can I get some clarity here.
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It isn't allowed, Lampstand's effect doesn't fizzle until the next phase so it wouldn't let you play DoN in between deactivation and reactivation.
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It isn't allowed, Lampstand's effect doesn't fizzle until the next phase so it wouldn't let you play DoN in between deactivation and reactivation.
Huh? Lampstand is active until it is deactivated by game ruleat the end of the upkeep phase, then the preparation phase begins it is not active. Why can I not choose to DoN something and the activate my LotS?
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Lampstand is active until it is deactivated by game ruleat the end of the upkeep phase, then the preparation phase begins it is not active.
Where do you find that rule? I'm unaware of it.
Artifacts remain active until the point during your preparation phase that you choose do to one of the following:
1) Reactivate the same Artifact (leave it active)
2) Activate a different Artifact (turn the previous one face down and turn a new one face up)
3) Have no Artifact active (turn the previous one face down)
There is no window to deactivate an Artifact, play any other cards, then activate another Artifact.
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Hmm...then I should have called a judge over a couple of times during nats, because I saw that happen consistently...
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Hey,
I have been wondering, if I have Lampstand in my Temple can I activate a different artifact in the temple (say Holy of Holies) which sends Lampstand back to my artifact pile, play Burial, and then activate Lampstand on my artifact Pile?
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
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I would say no. As Gabe said, the artifact activation phase can be performed anytime during your preperation phase, but once begun, in must be completed, and can not later be revisted (even if the activation of the artifact would have been legal during your artifact activation phase).
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I also agree with Gabe. I think people should either choose to leave LotS up for another turn (in which case neither player can use DoN), or they should choose to turn it off for a turn (in which case both players can use DoN).
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i think it gets turned off for a turn else one would be able to deactivate it play mayhem then reactivate which is broken.
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have two in your deck and let one get DoN'd. :)
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Hey,
I have been wondering, if I have Lampstand in my Temple can I activate a different artifact in the temple (say Holy of Holies) which sends Lampstand back to my artifact pile, play Burial, and then activate Lampstand on my artifact Pile?
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
I agree with sir nobody on this one.
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I disagree, it should be all artifact activation at once or none, we don't need more ways to abuse LotS.
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Hey,
I have been wondering, if I have Lampstand in my Temple can I activate a different artifact in the temple (say Holy of Holies) which sends Lampstand back to my artifact pile, play Burial, and then activate Lampstand on my artifact Pile?
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
I agree with sir nobody on this one.
You can't agree with someone asking a question.
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well i did.
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Hey,
I have been wondering, if I have Lampstand in my Temple can I activate a different artifact in the temple (say Holy of Holies) which sends Lampstand back to my artifact pile, play Burial, and then activate Lampstand on my artifact Pile?
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
Prof's quotes Worthy :D
I agree with sir nobody on this one.
You can't agree with someone asking a question.
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You can't agree with someone asking a question.
However, it appears you can agree with nobody
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i thought it was ruled a while ago you could turn down lampstand, DoN something, then turn it back up again on the same turn...
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i thought it was ruled a while ago you could turn down lampstand, DoN something, then turn it back up again on the same turn...
how would you do that?
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I should probably just start a new thread, but since it's a DoN and Lampy question, I figured I'd ask here.
can I play DoN and target Lampy, it protects itself from discard, but I still negate it's ability for the phase?
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Destruction of Nehushtan
Type: Grim Reaper • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Discard one active Artifact in play. Artifact's ability is negated. • Play As: Discard one active Artifact in play. Negate the discarded artifact's ability. • Identifiers: False Religious Practice • Verse: II Kings 18:4 • Availability: Patriarchs booster packs (Ultra Rare)
The artifact must be discarded to be negated. Because Lampstand is protected from discard, it can't be negated by DoN.
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I should probably just start a new thread, but since it's a DoN and Lampy question, I figured I'd ask here.
can I play DoN and target Lampy, it protects itself from discard, but I still negate it's ability for the phase?
No, protect stops it from targeting it.
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Destruction of Nehushtan
Type: Grim Reaper • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Discard one active Artifact in play. Artifact's ability is negated. • Play As: Discard one active Artifact in play. Negate the discarded artifact's ability. • Identifiers: False Religious Practice • Verse: II Kings 18:4 • Availability: Patriarchs booster packs (Ultra Rare)
The artifact must be discarded to be negated. Because Lampstand is protected from discard, it can't be negated by DoN.
okay. I didn't look up the play as...
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i thought it was ruled a while ago you could turn down lampstand, DoN something, then turn it back up again on the same turn...
how would you do that?
I think it's possible (according to the cheat sheet) to deactivate an artifact, and the reactivate it. Regardless, you are only allowed on activation a turn.
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deja vu, anyone?
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Its just the semi-annual discussion about lampstand and DON. It'll probably come up again around march/april again :p
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Its just the semi-annual discussion about Insert widely questioned Redemption topic here. It'll probably come up again around march/april again :p
FTFY
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Its just the semi-annual discussion about Insert widely questioned Redemption topic here. It'll probably come up again around march/april again :p
FTFY
the way things are going they will probably have another new set by april and then there will be a plethera of contindrum to be solved.
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...They only release one set a year...
...At Nats...
...in August.
How long have you been playing?
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I think he's hoping for starter decks, which are usually released near Easter. (At least, EF and GH were.)
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this is only his first week playing
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and he is alredy a full member lol its like how Ron Sias is still considered a new member on the boards but has bin here since 10 years ago...
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I know that he actually has been playing for three or four years ( I think :-[)
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this is only his first week playing
I know that he actually has been playing for three or four years ( I think :-[)
ur contradicting urself lol
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I know ;)
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And how my deck is still terrible, but somehow I'm a Hero Member. Most likely it's because I like to blab on and on.
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So IS Gabe + Prof a consensus? No window for Dominant play between artifact activation?
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If I remember correctly, Elder status involves the ability to make an official ruling. So, I guess so?
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if two elders agree, it's basically official.
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if two elders agree, it's basically official.
Old fogies unite.
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if two elders agree, it's basically official.
it's official unless there are more Elders rooting for the opposite side and if they're tied then they have to disprove the other theory. I agree with both Elders rulings on this that there is never an open window to destroy an artifact then activate Lampy.
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However, the cheat sheet says I can (as many times as I want):
b) Place an artifact face down in your artifact pile
c) Activate an artifact by placing an artifact face up on your artifact pile (limit once per turn)
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However, the cheat sheet says I can (as many times as I want):
b) Place an artifact face down in your artifact pile
c) Activate an artifact by placing an artifact face up on your artifact pile (limit once per turn)
Except for that limit on the artifact activation, you do them as much as you want.
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However, the cheat sheet says I can (as many times as I want):
b) Place an artifact face down in your artifact pile
c) Activate an artifact by placing an artifact face up on your artifact pile (limit once per turn)
maybe the cheat sheet is outdated.
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However, the cheat sheet says I can (as many times as I want):
b) Place an artifact face down in your artifact pile
c) Activate an artifact by placing an artifact face up on your artifact pile (limit once per turn)
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Yes, but I can place an artifact face-down as many times as I want (thus rendering it out of play)
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but when you place that artifact face down, then you play a dominant- you have thus declared that you have moved on from your artifact activation part of the phase. You can still continue to place more artifacts face-down if you wish though :)
do i agree? no
does it matter? no
does this mean that i cant deactivate an artifact, play a territory class enhancement, and activate 6 artifacts after that? (during my prep phase of course)
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Hey,
I have been wondering, if I have Lampstand in my Temple can I activate a different artifact in the temple (say Holy of Holies) which sends Lampstand back to my artifact pile, play Burial, and then activate Lampstand on my artifact Pile?
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
I don't see why this situation wouldn't be allowed. Dominants can be played at any time. There's nothing that says you can't activate one artifact in a temple, play a dom, then finish out the phase by activating another in your artifact pile. The point that Lampstand is being deactivated because of the first activation shouldn't make a difference of weather or not you can do that....
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placing an art down and deactivating an art is two different things. Once you deactivate an art, at that moment you have to reactivate an art or not. from sir nobody's example the art is sent to the artpile facedown if another temple/tab art is activated. same as art pile i would say- lampstand up-deactivate to activate diff art in art pile -play evil dom reactivate lampy in temple/tab should work.
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No, it is not the same. You may only activate one artifact per place per turn. You can't activate something in your art pile, play a dom, then activate something in your artifact pile. And you do choose to deactivate it when you send it to your artifact pile, but because you have another place that you haven't activated an artifact you can 're'activate it in your artifact pile. There's nothing that says you have to activate all artifacts in all piles at the exact same time. There's also nothing that says you can't deactivate and then reactivate the same artifact in the same turn, it's only that you can't deact then react in the same place. I don't see why, if art is in your temple, you couldn't just put it down (choosing to activate nothing in your temple), play your evil dom, then activate Lamp in your art pile (choosing to activate an artifact).
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Hey,
I have been wondering, if I have Lampstand in my Temple can I activate a different artifact in the temple (say Holy of Holies) which sends Lampstand back to my artifact pile, play Burial, and then activate Lampstand on my artifact Pile?
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
I would say that in Tim's example you could activate Lampstand as long as it is in another location. The rulebook states:
Preparation Phase – You may perform any number of these actions in any order. Actions may be repeated unless a
limit is stipulated....
b) Place an artifact face down in your artifact pile.
c) Activate an artifact by placing an artifact face up on your artifact pile (limit once per turn).
So, the only action that has a limit on it is placing an artifact face up on your artifact pile. Since multiple artifacts can be activated in different places during the preparation phase (one in each place), an evil dominant can be played in between the multiple activations.
Mike
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sounds good to me
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I still think it's possible without activation in multiple areas.
Lampy up, start of turn
b) Place an artifact face down in your artifact pile.
Face down cards are out of play, and the ability doesn't stay on, otherwise, I could abuse it by having two artifacts active at once
Play DoN (a dominant could be played at any time)
c) Activate an artifact by placing an artifact face up on your artifact pile (limit once per turn). Using my one artifact activation to activate Lampstand.
This would give a window for others to play evil doms, however. Better be quick!
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I still think it's possible without activation in multiple areas.
Lampy up, start of turn
b) Place an artifact face down in your artifact pile.
Face down cards are out of play, and the ability doesn't stay on, otherwise, I could abuse it by having two artifacts active at once
Play DoN (a dominant could be played at any time)
c) Activate an artifact by placing an artifact face up on your artifact pile (limit once per turn). Using my one artifact activation to activate Lampstand.
This would give a window for others to play evil doms, however. Better be quick!
If you read back in this thread, you'll see that this was already determined as not possible....
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Where, exactly?
/Wasn't aware it was there
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Where, exactly?
/Wasn't aware it was there
First page, third post. Also the place where this thread should have ended.
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So, the only action that has a limit on it is placing an artifact face up on your artifact pile. Since multiple artifacts can be activated in different places during the preparation phase (one in each place), an evil dominant can be played in between the multiple activations.
If this is indeed how it is, it needs to be changed. As a Host I don't want/need more slap jack situations arising from someone activating something on a temple, playing a Dominant and then flipping up LotS. Not only does it give more power to Z temple who does not need it, but it also causes frustration when the other player also tries to insert doms into that time period when LotS is not up. How can this be a good thing?
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Hey,
However, the cheat sheet says I can (as many times as I want):
b) Place an artifact face down in your artifact pile
c) Activate an artifact by placing an artifact face up on your artifact pile (limit once per turn)
When the cheat sheet talks about placing an artifact face down in your artifact pile it means from you hand. It's talking about putting new artifacts into your artifact pile not deactivating active artifacts.
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
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Alright. Thanks for clarifying.