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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: browarod on January 06, 2010, 03:36:56 PM
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I read somewhere that Angels lose the "Angel" identifier when they are converted.
This may seem like a stupid question, but I've never had anyone explain it to me before, so...um...what exactly do they become when converted to an evil character?
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Without getting into any theological debates, a "fallen" angel is considered a demon in Redemption. This is true of the EC Fallen Angel, as well as any angel converted by Angelic Rebellion (the only way to currently convert an Angel).
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I figured that's what it would be, I just wanted confirmation.
Thanks!
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Fallen Angels and Demons are two different things. And neither one of them suddenly gets a second chance just because someone threw a net over them.
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Fallen Angels and Demons are two different things.
Believe what you will, but Redemption has considered both Fallen Angel and an Angel converted by Angelic Rebellion to be demons for gameplay purposes. If you believe that needs to change, you can certainly argue for it, but I doubt you'll get very far.
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Haha, I know. That's why I included the bit about redeeming captured Demons.
Most people don't know that, Biblically, there is a distinction between Demons and Fallen Angels. Just spreading the knowledge :)
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Most people don't know that, Biblically, there is a distinction between Demons and Fallen Angels. Just spreading the knowledge :)
I'm curious. Where in scripture do you see them differentiated?
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I could be WAY off here, but is Lucifer ever called a demon? If not he is a fallen angel followed by demons.
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Without getting into any theological debates
So much for that. Interestingly enough, I've been around long enough to have added that clause with Polarius in mind. In answer to your question, other prof, I'm pretty sure that Genesis 6:2-4 is where Pol's line of thinking is most strongly supported, though there are many interpretations to that.
2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with [a] man forever, for he is mortal ; his days will be a hundred and twenty years." 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
The sons of God here are often assumed to be angels, and since the idea of women reproducing with demons is odd, then the fallen angels would not be demons at all. I personally don't know how I would interpret the passage, but I have heard a lot of opinions.
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I personally don't know how I would interpret the passage, but I have heard a lot of opinions.
They were aliens man! :D
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I personally don't know how I would interpret the passage, but I have heard a lot of opinions.
They were aliens man! :D
To be perfectly honest, I have heard that interpretation as well.
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Fallen Angels and Demons are two different things. And neither one of them suddenly gets a second chance just because someone threw a net over them.
Bartles & James - Thank You For Your Suppoirt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIajxgBZkYY#)
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Genesis 6:2-4, Enoch 6-11, and logic. For the latter, one telling difference is the linguistic differences between biblical descriptions of Angels and Demons. Also, Angels (even Fallen angels) are able to manifest themselves with man-like bodies, yet Demons are always desperate for habitation. There's also the fact that, while even Michael would not rebuke Satan (clearly a fallen Angel) when fighting for Moses' body, we are encouraged to rebuke demons when we encounter them.
There's a lot of evidence, but it's "scary" so modern churches don't talk about it any more than they talk about sin or damnation. But this is a ruling thread, and I've hijacked enough for now :)
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Genesis 6:2-4, Enoch 6-11, and logic. For the latter, one telling difference is the linguistic differences between biblical descriptions of Angels and Demons. Also, Angels (even Fallen angels) are able to manifest themselves with man-like bodies, yet Demons are always desperate for habitation. There's also the fact that, while even Michael would not rebuke Satan (clearly a fallen Angel) when fighting for Moses' body, we are encouraged to rebuke demons when we encounter them.
There's a lot of evidence, but it's "scary" so modern churches don't talk about it any more than they talk about sin or damnation. But this is a ruling thread, and I've hijacked enough for now :)
In your believe, then, where did the demons come from (just curious)?
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I'm sure that Pol would love to continue the discussion with you and others, but perhaps all but the first three posts on the thread should be moved to Off-Topic?