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Title: Converted Pharisees
Post by: golgotha on July 03, 2011, 06:57:28 PM
Think I know the answer just wanna double check. Lets say I use Holy Grail and convert two of the 1/3 Pharisees, who may band to another Pharisee. Now that they are converted, both of them, can they band to each other?
Title: Re: Converted Pharisees
Post by: Smokey on July 03, 2011, 06:58:02 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Converted Pharisees
Post by: SomeKittens on July 04, 2011, 11:53:09 PM
The only way that it's lost in conversion is when they may band to an evil character.
Title: Re: Converted Pharisees
Post by: Smokey on July 05, 2011, 12:47:29 AM
Or Magician (since it's an evil only identifier).
Title: Re: Converted Pharisees
Post by: golgotha on July 06, 2011, 08:21:35 PM
Interesting. Guess my next question is, are Joseph of A, Nicodemous, and Paul (after converted) considered Pharisees? I know Nicodemous and Paul were in the Bible, and I think that I heard Joseph of A was as well somewhere in the Crucifixion story, via the book "24 Hours That Changed The World" I'll look for the reference for him later.
Title: Re: Converted Pharisees
Post by: golgotha on July 06, 2011, 08:49:10 PM
Nic - John 3:1
Joseph - Mark 15:43 (Calls Joseph a prominent member of the council/Sanhedrin)
Title: Re: Converted Pharisees
Post by: YourMathTeacher on July 06, 2011, 09:02:40 PM
From the REG:

Quote
These are considered Pharisees in Redemption®:

•      (Good): Gamaliel (Ap), Nicodemus (Ap), Nicodemus (Di), and Paul (Ap)

•      (Evil): Hard-hearted Religious Leaders (L), Hard-hearted Religious Leaders (UL), Hard-Hearted Religious Leaders (Di), Pharisees (Brown) (Ap), Pharisees (Pink) (Ap), Pharisees (Red) (Ap), Proud Pharisee (TP), Saul (Ap), Stone Throwers (BL), Stone Throwers (BU), Stone Throwers (Di), Stone Throwers (L), Stone Throwers (UL), The Entrapping Pharisees (TP)


Joseph of Arimathea was printed after that list was compiled, so I do not know if there has been any discussion about him yet.
Title: Re: Converted Pharisees
Post by: Gabe on July 06, 2011, 09:24:08 PM
I brought up that possibility for Joseph of Arimathea during testing. The Bible does not offer any strong evidence that he was a pharisee or a sadducee, only that he was part of the ruling council. He's not considered either for Redemption purposes.
Title: Re: Converted Pharisees
Post by: YourMathTeacher on July 06, 2011, 09:44:20 PM
I brought up that possibility for Joseph of Arimathea during testing. The Bible does not offer any strong evidence that he was a pharisee or a sadducee, only that he was part of the ruling council. He's not considered either for Redemption purposes.

What ruling council?
Title: Re: Converted Pharisees
Post by: Gabe on July 06, 2011, 11:38:32 PM
What ruling council?

Quote from: The Bible
Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent member of the Council, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, went boldly to Pilate and asked for Jesus’ body.
Mark 15:43
Title: Re: Converted Pharisees
Post by: YourMathTeacher on July 06, 2011, 11:40:15 PM
LOL, I read the verse. I meant what is the Ruling Council for? Is it part of the Sanhedrin?
Title: Re: Converted Pharisees
Post by: Gabe on July 06, 2011, 11:47:13 PM
LOL, I read the verse. I meant what is the Ruling Council for? Is it part of the Sanhedrin?

My understanding is that Council is synonymous with Sanhedrin.
Title: Re: Converted Pharisees
Post by: YourMathTeacher on July 07, 2011, 12:15:53 AM
I really don't know much about Jewish history, but is it likely that he was a member of the Sanhedrin without being either a Sadducee, Pharisee, or some other relevant identifier?
Title: Re: Converted Pharisees
Post by: Gabe on July 07, 2011, 12:48:27 AM
I'm not an expert on the subject either, but from what I understand he was probably a Sadducee or a Pharisee. I'd lean towards the later. However the Bible is mum on that specific topic so Redemption will not award him an identifier.
Title: Re: Converted Pharisees
Post by: YourMathTeacher on July 07, 2011, 12:52:12 AM
If he was on the Ruling Council, then he must at least be a Judge.....  ;D
Title: Re: Converted Pharisees
Post by: Gabe on July 07, 2011, 12:59:11 AM
If he was on the Ruling Council, then he must at least be a Judge.....  ;D

How did you know we reprinted him in gold this year? :o
Title: Re: Converted Pharisees
Post by: Minister Polarius on July 07, 2011, 02:53:45 AM
There were no Essenes or Zealots on the Sanhedren, so he would have had to have been a Pharisee or a Sadducee. However, since there is no indication of which he was, it makes sense to just give him neither.
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