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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: Tracer Burnout on April 02, 2010, 09:47:46 PM
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SOOOO.....My opponent begins a rescue attempt with King David and Promised Land to get access. PL has one counter already.
I block with Gomer, Band in Complainers and switch King David for King Amaziah. STOP(Does PL get a counter now since David is no longer in battle?)...CONTINUE.......He has intiative and plays Transfiguration and bands in Moses from the Discard Pile. Complainers is negated, so does that bring King David back in and shove King Amaziah back out? What about the counter for PL?...
HELP!!!
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oh lord...
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I'm pretty sure the counter for PL is determined at the end of the battle, so if King D is in there at that time, then is stays.
And when Moses enters battle, the negation of Complainers' ability forces Amaziah out and David back in. Transfiguration is CBN though, so Moses stays.
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I'm glad to know we played it right! :)
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Wait...now I'm confused...I thought the first negate sticks. As such yes Moses is in battle but his ability has been prevented by Complainers....
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Wait...now I'm confused...I thought the first negate sticks. As such yes Moses is in battle but his ability has been prevented by Complainers....
OH.....D-Man...I think he's right!
I'm glad to know we played it right! :)
Apparently not!!!
Now you know why we were confused!!! HELP Someone?
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Yeah, Techno is right, Amaziah is in battle with Moses but it is NOT FBTN, because moses in prevented. THe banding happens, but the FBTN does not.
PL would get its second counter at the end of the battle because David is not in for the Access.
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Oooooh, I forgot that Complainers negated all heroes. My bad. :-[
In that case, Transfiguration does nothing but give you numbers with Moses, and King Amaziah, Moses, Gomer, and Complainers are the only ones in battle, and Promised Land will be discarded after battle unless you can band David (Or Jacob or someone) back into battle.
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Like all cards that enter battle, Promised Land's special ability activated when it first enters battle. At that time a Hero is chosen to use Promised Land's SA.
In the example given that Hero is King David so it does not get a 2nd counter. Even if Promised Land was taken, discarded or removed from the game King David still has access through the remainder of the battle because of Promised Land's SA.
Promised Land also grants access to any other Hero in battle based solely on the fact that it's a multi-color site. It's SA is already complete, targeting King David, so there's no need to add any more counters.
Promised Land
Type: Site • Brigade: Multicolor • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Hero gains access to any site. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joshua, and King David may use Promised Land without limit. May only be used twice by other Heroes, then it must be discarded. • Identifiers: Canaan • Verse: Joshua 1:2-3 • Availability: Patriarch booster packs (Rare)
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Good call Techno. Totally forgot he negates all!
At least it doesn't matter for game purposes, since numbers should have won me the battle anyway (I don't think you had any brown EE's on you). :)
I never realized that about PL, Gabe. Thanks!
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Like all cards that enter battle, Promised Land's special ability activated when it first enters battle. At that time a Hero is chosen to use Promised Land's SA.
In the example given that Hero is King David so it does not get a 2nd counter. Even if Promised Land was taken, discarded or removed from the game King David still has access through the remainder of the battle because of Promised Land's SA.
Promised Land also grants access to any other Hero in battle based solely on the fact that it's a multi-color site. It's SA is already complete, targeting King David, so there's no need to add any more counters.
So what if Promised Land was removed from battle (without being negated), and then David left battle. Would the remaining characters in battle continue to profit from Promised Land?
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So what if Promised Land was removed from battle (without being negated), and then David left battle. Would the remaining characters in battle continue to profit from Promised Land?
That depends on how you define "profit". If by you mean "continue to have access" the answer is no. If you mean "continue to take over a land full of milk and honey by driving out it's inhabitants" the answer is yes.
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I'm always skeptical when someone comes in and suddenly makes a ruling contradictory to the way I have been playing for years. If possible, I would like to see some evidence (REG evidence) for these premises. If not possible...well, then I don't believe you. :)
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If possible, I would like to see some evidence (REG evidence) for these premises.
You're welcome to read what the rulebook has to say about Site Access (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/default.htm?turl=accesstoasite.htm) or what the REG says about how to use (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/default.htm?turl=howtouse.htm) Site Access.
Afterwards let me know what isn't clear and I'll try to help you understand.
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If possible, I would like to see some evidence (REG evidence) for these premises.
You're welcome to read what the rulebook has to say about Site Access (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/default.htm?turl=accesstoasite.htm) or what the REG says about how to use (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/default.htm?turl=howtouse.htm) Site Access.
Afterwards let me know what isn't clear and I'll try to help you understand.
I'm very bad at reading technical language (or whatever you would call 90% of the REG :P), and I may very well have missed a few things reading over that, but I didn't find anywhere where it said that a single hero is chosen to use an access site's SA, nor where it said that this must happen at the time that the site enters battle. Not to say that it isn't in there somewhere...I would just like to see for myself.
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Oooooh, I forgot that Complainers negated all heroes. My bad. :-[
In that case, Transfiguration does nothing but give you numbers with Moses, and King Amaziah, Moses, Gomer, and Complainers are the only ones in battle, and Promised Land will be discarded after battle unless you can band David (Or Jacob or someone) back into battle.
Its okay, they asked me on the fly and I forgot too!
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I didn't find anywhere where it said that a single hero is chosen to use an access site's SA
Promised Land itself uses the singular 'hero'. It only has the ability to target one hero.
I didn't find anywhere where it said [ . . . ] that this must happen at the time that the site enters battle. Not to say that it isn't in there somewhere...I would just like to see for myself.
Gabe's second link includes this quote:
"New Jerusalem (Site Card), Dragon Raid, and Promised Land are mainly used offensively as “access sites” and therefore their special abilities are written to take effect when they enter battle and at no other time."
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Promised Land also grants access to any other Hero in battle based solely on the fact that it's a multi-color site.
So if it didn't discard itself, it could be used indefinitely? So we just need a way to negate the SAs on sites...hmmm :)
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I was scared of the massive amounts of Brown EE's you had in your hand I don't think you had any brown EE's on you
Fixed...
In truth that battle was yours. I had not other EE’s and the mistake of not DON'ing BT lost me that game.
Promised Land also grants access to any other Hero in battle based solely on the fact that it's a multi-color site.
First thanks for taking the time to unconfuzzle me. Second, I don’t understand how the color of a site has anything to do with the hero (or brigade color as I’m assuming you mean) with it. As far as I understand the color of the site is only important on which site they can access.
It's SA is already complete, targeting King David, so there's no need to add any more counters.
This makes sense.