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Title: Complainers
Post by: CountFount on April 06, 2010, 12:43:29 PM: Complainers
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Brown • Ability: 6 / 6 • Class: None • Special Ability: Negate all special abilities on opponent’s Heroes. You may exchange a Hero in battle with a Hero in opponent’s territory. • Identifiers: Generic OT Genderless Human • Verse: Numbers 11:1 • Availability: Faith of Fathers (Set 4)

R/A made. Complainers blocks and chooses a hero that will die by the numbers from opponent. Can player making R/A play something on the original hero which will negate the exchange?
Title: Re: Complainers
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on April 06, 2010, 12:55:21 PM: No, any negate must be played on the new hero. The original hero never gets init.
Title: Re: Complainers
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on April 06, 2010, 12:55:49 PM: Even if it passes init?
Title: Re: Complainers
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on April 06, 2010, 12:57:41 PM: Dying by numbers does not pass special init like dying by SA. Also, exchange does not qualify either for special init.
Title: Re: Complainers
Post by: RedemptionAggie on April 06, 2010, 01:07:44 PM: This is from Choose the Blocker/Rescuer in the REG, but it may apply here as well:

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The effect may be interrupted or negated by the character(s) being removed if your opponent gains initiative because of the exchange.
Title: Re: Complainers
Post by: STAMP on April 06, 2010, 01:36:41 PM: Marcus is correct.
Title: Re: Complainers
Post by: CountFount on April 06, 2010, 01:45:35 PM: Quote from: STAMP on April 06, 2010, 01:36:41 PM
Marcus is correct.

Who is Marcus?
Title: Re: Complainers
Post by: redemption101 on April 06, 2010, 01:48:35 PM: redemptionaggie
Title: Re: Complainers
Post by: BubbleBoy on April 06, 2010, 02:47:52 PM: So, you go with a white hero and opponent blocks with Complainers and switches for a non-white hero. If that hero is then losing btn, then you can play Blessings, but if he's winning btn at that point and then Complainers plays a battle winner, you can't play Words of Encouragement to interrupt? Is that the deal?

By the way, while writing this I had a very powerful feeling of déjà vu; I'm sure I've talked about interrupting Complainers or something like that before.
Title: Re: Complainers
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on April 06, 2010, 02:55:06 PM: Yes sir.
Title: Re: Complainers
Post by: CountFount on April 06, 2010, 02:57:08 PM: Quote from: BubbleBoy on April 06, 2010, 02:47:52 PM
So, you go with a white hero and opponent blocks with Complainers and switches for a non-white hero. If that hero is then losing btn, then you can play Blessings, but if he's winning btn at that point and then Complainers plays a battle winner, you can't play Words of Encouragement to interrupt. Is that the deal?

That is what I hear them saying. Speaking of déjà vu, How did you know that it was an exchange of Mary Magdalene for the Angel in the Path? Seriously. ???
Title: Re: Complainers
Post by: BubbleBoy on April 06, 2010, 02:59:21 PM: Quote from: CountFount on April 06, 2010, 02:57:08 PM
Speaking of déjà vu, How did you know that it was an exchange of Mary Magdalene for the Angel in the Path?
Are you talking about me? Did I say that?
Title: Re: Complainers
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on April 07, 2010, 01:41:05 PM: Bump so I can negate with either hero?
Title: Re: Complainers
Post by: Professoralstad on April 07, 2010, 02:59:36 PM: Only if the second hero has initiative vs. Complainers. So if you block my Salome with Complainers and choose Lois, I can play Blessings to negate Complainers. But if you choose Gabriel, I could not play Blessings (or any other enhancement) since it's your initiative.