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Title: Begins a battle
Post by: Ironisaac on April 10, 2018, 11:04:29 AM

If I go into battle with midianite's slave, capture him to LoB, and add my joseph to battle, could joseph use hidden treasures? My guess is no, based off the begins a battle section in the REG, but i just want to check. however, I do remember that you can use someone like AotW to exchange for a prophet, and they can then use hidden treasures. has that changed from the last REG update?

Midianite's slave: You may capture this character to to opponent's LoB to add your son of Jacob to battle and each player may draw two.

Joseph's ability doesn't matter, but he is a son of jacob and a green prophet.

Hidden treasures: Once per turn, if your lone green brigade prophet begins a battle, you may do a thing.       

Begins a battle

Spoiler (hover to show)

A character begins a battle if:
• After all abilities (except abilities that add a character to the opponent's side of battle and
side battle abilities) have activated and no effects are resolving they are in battle and controlled by the active player or there are no characters in battle controlled by the active player and they were the last character controlled by the active player to be removed from battle AND
• No characters were in the Field of Battle prior to the first character entering battle AND
• The battle has not already had a character or group of characters begin the battle
Multiple characters can begin a battle, but a battle can only begin once. No characters begin a battle in a side battle.

Title: Re: Begins a battle
Post by: TheJaylor on April 10, 2018, 11:52:46 AM

Quote from: Ironisaac on April 10, 2018, 11:04:29 AM

If I go into battle with midianite's slave, capture him to LoB, and add my joseph to battle, could joseph use hidden treasures? My guess is no, based off the begins a battle section in the REG, but i just want to check. however, I do remember that you can use someone like AotW to exchange for a prophet, and they can then use hidden treasures. has that changed from the last REG update?

Midianite's slave: You may capture this character to to opponent's LoB to add your son of Jacob to battle and each player may draw two.

Joseph's ability doesn't matter, but he is a son of jacob and a green prophet.

Hidden treasures: Once per turn, if your lone green brigade prophet begins a battle, you may do a thing.       

Begins a battle

Spoiler (hover to show)

A character begins a battle if:
• After all abilities (except abilities that add a character to the opponent's side of battle and
side battle abilities) have activated and no effects are resolving they are in battle and controlled by the active player or there are no characters in battle controlled by the active player and they were the last character controlled by the active player to be removed from battle AND
• No characters were in the Field of Battle prior to the first character entering battle AND
• The battle has not already had a character or group of characters begin the battle
Multiple characters can begin a battle, but a battle can only begin once. No characters begin a battle in a side battle.

I'm pretty sure the resolution to this was "Yes" if I remember correctly. Here's the breakdown based off of the REG snippet:

• Once Joseph's ability has completed, all abilities have activated, Joseph is in battle, and is controlled by the active player AND
• No characters were in battle prior to Midianite Slave entering battle AND
• Midianite Slave did not begin the battle because they were not in battle when all abilities resolved.

Title: Re: Begins a battle
Post by: kariusvega on April 10, 2018, 12:01:17 PM

I remember being told situationally when I tried to do it I couldn't but yeah the current ruling according to Aggie's latest post is hidden treasures works so you can watchman to a prophet and play or auto to Moses and play now

Title: Re: Begins a battle
Post by: Ironisaac on April 10, 2018, 12:06:42 PM

thanks!