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Title: are they tournament legal?
Post by: soul seeker on March 20, 2010, 10:52:55 AM
It is a standard rule that you can't play with marked cards unless they are sleeved.

however, what is the rule dealing with TeP?  Even in sleeves the cards bend/warp.  I can't get them flat enough.  I have put weight on them to try and flatten them back out, but it's not working.  I don't think it's fair that I can't use a lot of cards that I've bought, but they can be considered marked.  Anybody can tell which 8 cards in my deck are TeP. 

what is the ruling on this?
Title: Re: are they tournament legal?
Post by: STAMP on March 20, 2010, 11:43:18 AM
Bend the other cards.   ;)

To be honest, I'm not sure what judges will do.  You could double up if using dragon shields, e.g. for non-TexP cards just add one of the white inserts and for TexP add another TexP back-to-back.  That should give them the same thickness and straighten out the TexP at the same time.
Title: Re: are they tournament legal?
Post by: Kevin Shride on March 20, 2010, 06:44:31 PM
Basically, you do the best that you can, and I don't know of any judge who would penalize you for it.

Kevin Shride
Title: Re: are they tournament legal?
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on March 20, 2010, 11:29:39 PM
At the T2 only Tim was checking in decks, we announced the pairings, then Tim said that everyone was disqualified except for Andrew (His treasures were the flatest) We all laughed and started playing.
Title: Re: are they tournament legal?
Post by: Master KChief on March 20, 2010, 11:34:04 PM
its fairly easy to make all the texp cards straight...just stick them in something that will force them that way...such as a thick book, or in a deck case full of cards.
Title: Re: are they tournament legal?
Post by: soul seeker on March 21, 2010, 12:55:16 AM
its fairly easy to make all the texp cards straight...just stick them in something that will force them that way...such as a thick book, or in a deck case full of cards.
once they bend, it's not as easy as you think.  I've put a lot of weight on mine for 3 days now and they've not straightened out yet. 
Title: Re: are they tournament legal?
Post by: Master KChief on March 21, 2010, 04:58:53 AM
i dunno...maybe you should try longer than 3 days. i shoved all of the ones i used into a deck box full of cards and checked on them about two weeks later, and now they're all perfectly straight.
Title: Re: are they tournament legal?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on March 21, 2010, 09:11:24 AM
I'm not sure that I understand what the big deal is. If I have a card that has a corner ripped off in my deck, then I will know that card is coming as I draw. If I have a bunch of warped TexP cards in my deck, then I will know that one of them is coming as I draw. If that is such a huge advantage, then I think we are overreacting.

If the concern is somehow forcing an advantageous "shuffle," then a better answer would be to require certain shuffling methods.
Title: Re: are they tournament legal?
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 21, 2010, 09:36:32 AM
If the concern is somehow forcing an advantageous "shuffle," then a better answer would be to require certain shuffling methods.
I believe that the concern about marked cards lies not with an advantageous shuffle as much as it does with being able to force the cut.
Title: Re: are they tournament legal?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on March 21, 2010, 09:50:31 AM
Then the host can make everyone turn their head away when they cut, and they have three seconds. No-look quick cuts, woo-hoo!  ;D
Title: Re: are they tournament legal?
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 21, 2010, 02:02:57 PM
It would be much easier--and consistent with previous rulings--to simply ban any decks using bowed TexP.  ;)
Title: Re: are they tournament legal?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on March 21, 2010, 02:05:39 PM
How about No-look Quick Cuts while wearing gloves?
Title: Re: are they tournament legal?
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 21, 2010, 02:10:26 PM
I still prefer the ban-hammer.  But then again I bought one of these (http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_475_475), so I might be biased.

Less than $1600 to have the only tournament legal TexP? Seems like a deal to me.     ;D
Title: Re: are they tournament legal?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on March 21, 2010, 02:13:47 PM
I suppose this will make it easier to bring to tournaments:

"Comes with winch kit mounted on the press to assist with the movement of the bed."
Title: Re: are they tournament legal?
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 21, 2010, 06:05:01 PM
I suppose this will make it easier to bring to tournaments:

"Comes with winch kit mounted on the press to assist with the movement of the bed."

Winch? Winch?!?  That's not what I thought it said.   >:(
Title: Re: are they tournament legal?
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 21, 2010, 08:08:00 PM
Just use an old clamp, that should do it.
Title: Re: are they tournament legal?
Post by: STAMP on March 21, 2010, 09:21:38 PM
I suppose this will make it easier to bring to tournaments:

"Comes with winch kit mounted on the press to assist with the movement of the bed."

Winch? Winch?!?  That's not what I thought it said.   >:(

:rollin:

I really want to add this one to my "fav" thread, but it's probably not a good idea.   :-X
Title: Re: are they tournament legal?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on March 21, 2010, 09:54:45 PM
I really want to add this one to my "fav" thread, but it's probably not a good idea.   :-X

That definitely would not be tournament legal.
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