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Title: Another Musician Question
Post by: SignoftheStar on April 10, 2017, 12:04:57 PM
Firstly, I'd like to apologize if these questions are bothering anybody. I noticed that my question regarding whether or not Women of Israel counts as a Musician got completely ignored. I'm not trying to be a pest. Honestly, I'm just very curious and looking to make sure certain characters don't go overlooked when identifiers should apply to them.

So it is that I now ask- Is King Hezekiah a Musician?
In Isaiah 38, Hezekiah begins to sing a classic song of thanksgiving to the Lord after he is healed of his sickness.

Isaiah 38:9-10 "The song of Hezekiah, king of Judah, after he had been sick and had recovered from his illness: In the noontime of life I said, I must depart! To the gates of Sheol I have been consigned for the rest of my years."
Title: Re: Another Musician Question
Post by: Ironisaac on April 10, 2017, 01:27:29 PM
I also think king saul should maybe be considered. in 1 samuel 10:5-10, it talks about saul prophesying with musicians and praising the lord. if he has the Prophet identifier from this one time he prophesied, he should have the musician identifier as well. plus, barak is a musician and he only sang one song, so why not saul?
Title: Re: Another Musician Question
Post by: Watchman on April 10, 2017, 01:54:06 PM
I also think king saul should maybe be considered. in 1 samuel 10:5-10, it talks about saul prophesying with musicians and praising the lord. if he has the Prophet identifier from this one time he prophesied, he should have the musician identifier as well. plus, barak is a musician and he only sang one song, so why not saul?

I just brought up something very similar in this thread. Still waiting on a reply regarding my last question though.

http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/redemption-card-play/barak-(cow)/ (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/redemption-card-play/barak-(cow)/)
Title: Re: Another Musician Question
Post by: kariusvega on April 10, 2017, 02:11:08 PM
Sang along at church once, is a musician xD
Title: Re: Another Musician Question
Post by: Watchman on April 10, 2017, 02:19:42 PM
Per the REG singing a song isn't the same as being a musician (which would mean I am because I sing songs but Lord knows I'm no musician!). They would of had to have led a group of people in singing and worship, wrote songs, or those in the Bible who were described as being a musician by profession. If Women of Israel or King Hezekiah falls under one of those qualifiers then she and he would be considered a musician. And on a side note I don't see how Barak falls under one of those qualifiers. Maybe the elders considered him to have written the song with Deborah but there's no real evidence of this in Judges (that I'm seeing). And my bible has a heading that it is the Song of Deborah, but the scripture itself doesn't say she wrote it but just sang that song with Barak.
Title: Re: Another Musician Question
Post by: SignoftheStar on April 11, 2017, 02:47:08 PM
Per the REG singing a song isn't the same as being a musician (which would mean I am because I sing songs but Lord knows I'm no musician!). They would of had to have led a group of people in singing and worship, wrote songs, or those in the Bible who were described as being a musician by profession.

Concerning Women of Israel: Looking again at the REG's definition of Musician and the quote of Women of Israel, I would say it's more like the Women of Israel were singing with Miriam at their lead, so I would concede that they don't qualify as a Musician.
Concerning Barak: My Bible has the heading "Song of Deborah", too, but Judges 5 still starts with "On that day Deborah sang this song- and Barak, son of Abinoam", so I'm glad that he is classified as a Musician, even if his reprint didn't end up being white.
Concerning King Hezekiah: Isaiah 38:10-20 definitely seems to be a song that Hezekiah composed, so he fits the REG's "person who wrote songs" definition, so I would maintain that Hezekiah ought to be a Musician.
Title: Re: Another Musician Question
Post by: SignoftheStar on April 12, 2017, 01:12:44 PM
But now I have to ask:

Considering Hananiah, Azariah, and Mishael: The song from the furnace in Daniel 3 certainly seems to be a song of their creation. Does this count as them being songwriters, and therefore Musicians?
This entire episode is what these three are known for, so it flying under the radar seems unlikely... but they're even White.
Title: Re: Another Musician Question
Post by: Minister Polarius on April 17, 2017, 12:19:17 AM
Where is there a song in Daniel 3?
Title: Re: Another Musician Question
Post by: SignoftheStar on April 20, 2017, 12:00:32 AM
Where is there a song in Daniel 3?

Okay, so it turns out that the songs I'm thinking of are from the Septuagint, which not everyone includes in their Bible.
I always heard of this episode, but not everyone has it, which explains why Redemption has not recognized them as Musicians.

I didn't know that until just recently.
My mistake.
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