Author Topic: ANB and Artifacts (Read 12116 times)

Gabe · « **Reply #25 on:** March 20, 2011, 10:09:54 PM »

Quote from: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on March 20, 2011, 09:31:54 PM

Quote from: Bryon on July 21, 2006, 01:13:45 PM
A New Beginning - If making a rescue attempt, remove this card from the game to shuffle all cards in play, set aside areas, and hands into decks. End the battle. All players draw 8. End the turn. Begin a new turn.

So you completely end the battle and then you do everything associated with the battle ending and then you shuffle in from ANB?

That's not what it says. How did you come to that conclusion?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #26 on:** March 21, 2011, 12:31:34 AM »

Quote from: crustpope on March 20, 2011, 03:16:17 PM

Rain becomes dust would not be active during the draw phase of the new turn. Only if you cold protect RBD from shuffle could you end up with 8 cards and watch them d/c the top 8 cards from their draw pile.

~~RBD doesn't help during their draw phase. If I force them to use ANB, they're activating an ability that makes them D8, before the battle ends.~~
Gah, ignore anything I say. I'm probably wrong.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #27 on:** March 21, 2011, 09:31:33 AM »

The D8 would still be in a different phase, as it follows the battle phase, in which everything was shuffled. Just have Nazzy...

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #28 on:** March 21, 2011, 07:23:53 PM »

I've yet to see Sent to Serve on a CTR'd Hero, but if it were ever pulled off it'd be the most devastating legal combo in the game.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #29 on:** March 21, 2011, 07:31:55 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on March 21, 2011, 07:23:53 PM

I've yet to see Sent to Serve on a CTR'd Hero, but if it were ever pulled off it'd be the most devastating legal combo in the game.

Placed cards are controlled by the placer. What am I missing?

I kinda like Far Country in battle as the most devastating legal combo in the game.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #30 on:** March 21, 2011, 08:29:50 PM »

Not ones placed by Sent to Serve.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #31 on:** March 21, 2011, 08:45:01 PM »

Why is that one an exception?

STAMP · « **Reply #32 on:** March 22, 2011, 10:38:23 AM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on March 21, 2011, 07:31:55 PM

Placed cards are controlled by the placer. What am I missing?

Umm, not the ones placed by Sent to Serve and Agur & Co.

Quote from: Ring Wraith on March 21, 2011, 08:45:01 PM

Why is that one an exception?

The enhancement is not discarded until end of battle. (Too bad it's silver.)

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #33 on:** March 22, 2011, 11:06:01 AM »

Quote from: STAMP on March 22, 2011, 10:38:23 AM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on March 21, 2011, 07:31:55 PM
Placed cards are controlled by the placer. What am I missing?

Umm, not the ones placed by Sent to Serve and Agur & Co.

That's not what I was told...

Looking for thread now.

EDIT:
I see why Sent to Serve is unique. It says "As a regular enhancement" so it activates on the hero. Awesome. Guess who's going to build a Sent to Serve deck?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #34 on:** March 22, 2011, 03:10:03 PM »

Then how do Agur and "co" work?

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #35 on:** March 22, 2011, 03:12:23 PM »

Although I couldn't find the thread, here's how I remember it.

The enhancement is placed.
You either CtR or Side Battle with the hero that has the enhancement placed on him.
You are in control of the placed enhancement, since it actually isn't activating on the hero. It's just activating.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #36 on:** March 23, 2011, 04:45:04 AM »

That's correct. Non-Sent to Serve placed Enhancements are read from the perspective of the placer, and are not being used by the cards they are placed on (in other words, conditions including "if used by" will never be met on regular placed Enhancements).

STAMP · « **Reply #37 on:** March 23, 2011, 10:27:41 AM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on March 22, 2011, 03:10:03 PM

Then how do Agur and "co" work?

Certainly not the way others are explaining. Here's how placed enhancements work:

Enhancements that are activated and then placed are read from the perspective of the placer.
Enhancements that are placed by another card but not activated are read from the perspective of the controller when they are activated in battle at a later time.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #38 on:** March 23, 2011, 10:31:23 AM »

Do I not have "control" of the Destructive Sin on a hero?
Why would it be any different with placed enhancements? Just because it's on a hero?

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #39 on:** March 23, 2011, 11:10:51 AM »

Can we have an elder speak on this matter? I was under the idea that these "loaded" cards were decided to be read from the perspective of the owner to stop combo's like making my opponent discard all thier evil when i make them play Holy unto the Lord and Primary Objective and ANB...

crustpope · « **Reply #40 on:** March 23, 2011, 01:05:37 PM »

Quote from: RTSmaniac on March 23, 2011, 11:10:51 AM

Can we have an elder speak on this matter? I was under the idea that these "loaded" cards were decided to be read from the perspective of the owner to stop combo's like making my opponent discard all thier evil when i make them play Holy unto the Lord and Primary Objective and ANB...

I am pretty sure the Holy unto the lord combo works. You ra, make a sidebattle with two heros from your territory and give them one that you have previously loaded up with Holy unto the Lord and then watch all their Evil Cards disappear. it is quite fun but I have never been able to make a deck work well with it.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #41 on:** March 23, 2011, 01:16:00 PM »

Quote from: RTSmaniac on March 23, 2011, 11:10:51 AM

Can we have an elder speak on this matter? I was under the idea that these "loaded" cards were decided to be read from the perspective of the owner to stop combo's like making my opponent discard all thier evil when i make them play Holy unto the Lord and Primary Objective and ANB...

Same here. Would Sent to Serve work differently?

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #42 on:** March 23, 2011, 01:29:05 PM »

Quote from: crustpope on March 23, 2011, 01:05:37 PM

Quote from: RTSmaniac on March 23, 2011, 11:10:51 AM
Can we have an elder speak on this matter? I was under the idea that these "loaded" cards were decided to be read from the perspective of the owner to stop combo's like making my opponent discard all thier evil when i make them play Holy unto the Lord and Primary Objective and ANB...

I am pretty sure the Holy unto the lord combo works. You ra, make a sidebattle with two heros from your territory and give them one that you have previously loaded up with Holy unto the Lord and then watch all their Evil Cards disappear. it is quite fun but I have never been able to make a deck work well with it.

You don't get the ruling. Placed cards are still owned and controlled by the one who placed it. Always. Holy Unto the Lord will still wipe your own out.

Quote from: SomeKittens on March 23, 2011, 01:16:00 PM

Quote from: RTSmaniac on March 23, 2011, 11:10:51 AM
Can we have an elder speak on this matter? I was under the idea that these "loaded" cards were decided to be read from the perspective of the owner to stop combo's like making my opponent discard all thier evil when i make them play Holy unto the Lord and Primary Objective and ANB...
Same here. Would Sent to Serve work differently?

Yes, because it says it activates as a normal enhancement.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #43 on:** March 23, 2011, 01:43:14 PM »

or so we believe because the whole point here is that the PTB dont want this kind of thing happening no matter what sent to serve says...

STAMP · « **Reply #44 on:** March 23, 2011, 01:58:50 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on March 23, 2011, 01:29:05 PM

You don't get the ruling. Placed cards are still owned and controlled by the one who placed it. Always. Holy Unto the Lord will still wipe your own out.

Actually, I understand the ruling, and so does Schaef. The ruling has been misapplied as evidenced by Schaef in this thread. The interpretation you are using is only hearsay from some board members.

I repeat:

Enhancements that are activated and then placed are read from the perspective of the placer.
Enhancements that are placed by another card but not activated are read from the perspective of the controller when they are activated in battle at a later time.

Korunks · « **Reply #45 on:** March 23, 2011, 02:34:36 PM »

So then there is no reason that using Agur to place ANB on a hero and then forcing your opponent to activate it would not work. Agur's ability reads the same as Sent to serve.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #46 on:** March 23, 2011, 02:36:47 PM »

Agur (Pi)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Yellow • Ability: 8 / 9 • Class: None • Special Ability: You may place an O.T. Enhancement from hand (or discard pile if Book of the Law is active) on a human Hero of matching brigade in your territory. The next time that Hero enters battle, that Enhancement activates and is discarded immediately. • Play As: You may place an O.T. Enhancement from hand (or discard pile [after a search] if Book of the Law is active) on a human Hero of matching brigade in your territory. The next time that Hero enters battle, that Enhancement activates and is discarded immediately. • Identifiers: OT Male Human • Verse: Proverbs 30:1 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Rare)

Sent to Serve (AW)
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Silver • Ability: 3 / 3 • Class: None • Special Ability: Place a good enhancement from hand on a human Hero of matching brigade in your territory. When that Hero enters battle, activate that enhancement as a regular enhancement. Discard it after that battle. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Hebrews 1:14 • Availability: Angel Wars booster packs (Common)

Agur doesn't have the bolded wording.

Korunks · « **Reply #47 on:** March 23, 2011, 02:40:14 PM »

"When that Hero enters battle, activate that enhancement as a regular enhancement."

seems the same as:

"The next time that Hero enters battle, that Enhancement activates and is ..."

How is that different?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #48 on:** March 23, 2011, 02:44:11 PM »

Sent to Serve overrides the game rule of "placed cards are controlled by the owner"

Korunks · « **Reply #49 on:** March 23, 2011, 02:46:06 PM »

So why wouldn't Agur and Co.? They have consistent wording and should be treated the same.

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