Book of Hozai has always been good... 8)
I feel like this is one of those situations where Kirk would have fine tuned a deck that specifically abuses this, gets approval from Rob via email, tells no one and shows up to nationals and gets 3rd place, naturally, and everyone freaks out for a couple weeks.
Hey if this works when does the ability of the exchanged for enhancement happen? Before you take it to hand or after?
For this good enhancement which is taken, it has to match brigade of the Hero in order to activate, correct?
The ORCID shows a play as that just takes it to hand after exchanging so.....
Great find by the way, this seems really strong!
The ORCID shows a play as that just takes it to hand after exchanging so.....
So... what are you implying here?
Abilities that play cards or bring cards into battle are not complete until the ability of the card played/brought into battle is complete.
The ORCID shows a play as that just takes it to hand after exchanging so.....
So... what are you implying here?
That is doesnt work because ofAbilities that play cards or bring cards into battle are not complete until the ability of the card played/brought into battle is complete.
The ORCID shows a play as that just takes it to hand after exchanging so.....
So... what are you implying here?
That is doesnt work because ofAbilities that play cards or bring cards into battle are not complete until the ability of the card played/brought into battle is complete.
Acts of Solomon was intended to move the new card straight to hand, never entering battle. But exchange has been updated since then and there's not really a mechanism in the rules to alter either end of an exchange, so the exchange puts the card into battle.
Basically, Acts of Solomon was supposed to function like Faith (PoC), and has probably been played as such, but that's not what it actually says.
Yeah I figured that but due to how its worded it should put it into battle and then take it to hand after it is in battle but not actually activate as it is not in battle by the time it could activate. That right?
Abilities that play cards or bring cards into battle are not complete until the ability of the card played/brought into battle is complete.
No, the exchange on AoS doesn't complete until the ability on the exchanged enhancement completes. Then, once the ability has activated and SI is resolved if necessary, then AoS continues on by placing that enhancement in your hand.The ORCID shows a play as that just takes it to hand after exchanging so.....
So... what are you implying here?
That is doesnt work because ofAbilities that play cards or bring cards into battle are not complete until the ability of the card played/brought into battle is complete.
Acts of Solomon was intended to move the new card straight to hand, never entering battle. But exchange has been updated since then and there's not really a mechanism in the rules to alter either end of an exchange, so the exchange puts the card into battle.
Basically, Acts of Solomon was supposed to function like Faith (PoC), and has probably been played as such, but that's not what it actually says.
Yeah I figured that but due to how its worded it should put it into battle and then take it to hand after it is in battle but not actually activate as it is not in battle by the time it could activate. That right?
Yeah I figured that but due to how its worded it should put it into battle and then take it to hand after it is in battle but not actually activate as it is not in battle by the time it could activate. That right?
No, because:Abilities that play cards or bring cards into battle are not complete until the ability of the card played/brought into battle is complete.
On a Side note the play as is worded
"Exchange this card with a good enhancement from hand and take it."
With that wording it seems like its definitely intending to be one action where it just goes to hand. Also considering under the REG exchange clause of
" An exchange effect may be paired with other effects to act upon one or more of the exchanged cards before the exchange completes. Often the paired effects will change the location of where their targets go."
Isn't AoS just doing what this clause says? Meaning before the exchange is completed due to the paired effect of take it it goes to hand as take defaults to hand?
Is it literally just the ruling Aggie mentioned that seems to override the REG in this instance or am I misinterpreting something?
I'm completely fine with being wrong I just want to understand why. Lol
On a Side note the play as is worded
"Exchange this card with a good enhancement from hand and take it."
With that wording it seems like its definitely intending to be one action where it just goes to hand. Also considering under the REG exchange clause of
" An exchange effect may be paired with other effects to act upon one or more of the exchanged cards before the exchange completes. Often the paired effects will change the location of where their targets go."
Isn't AoS just doing what this clause says? Meaning before the exchange is completed due to the paired effect of take it it goes to hand as take defaults to hand?
Is it literally just the ruling Aggie mentioned that seems to override the REG in this instance or am I misinterpreting something?
I'm completely fine with being wrong I just want to understand why. Lol
I disagree but will elaborate as to why later when I am not driving. I likely am still wrong due to an interpretational difference but Its situations like these that make it hard for me to reccomend Redemption to serious gamers. Rules interactions, wordings, and interpretations are atrocious for players. I'm very grateful to all those who have been working on bettering this and appreciate it. But mechanically Redemption is not a good game. Everything else is near top notch imo though.
I feel like this is an issue of old/bad wording, not an issue of game rules and definitions.
If the original wording from Consider the Lilies is correct, and it is searched for by AoS, will the shuffled copy of Consider the Lilies be added to hand from deck?
So I'm not keeping up. How does Acts of Solomon play currently
While I think set rotation would be good, I personally love that we can find cool uses for older cards. I don't think acts of solomon in this form is too powerful or anything. It's just a slightly clunky way to recur an enhancement, or like a book of jashur that shuffles itself.
What actually happens if you exchange Acts of Solomon for Book of Jashar?
I was trying to think through it, but I couldn't figure out what Book of Jashar copies and what cards end up where.
What actually happens if you exchange Acts of Solomon for Book of Jashar?
I was trying to think through it, but I couldn't figure out what Book of Jashar copies and what cards end up where.
Redemption: Endgame
Redemption: Endgame
We need a card that makes both players discard half of their cards in play, hand, and deck.
Balance comes close.Redemption: Endgame
We need a card that makes both players discard half of their cards in play, hand, and deck.
Thanos
6/6 Multi brigade EC
Reveal a blue, a red, a gold, a purple, a green, and an orange brigade enhancement from hand to banish half the cards in each location at random regardless of protection. Cannot be negated.
Thanos
6/6 Multi brigade EC
Reveal a blue, a red, a gold, a purple, a green, and an orange brigade enhancement from hand to banish half the cards in each location at random regardless of protection. Cannot be negated.
Limit once per game.
What actually happens if you exchange Acts of Solomon for Book of Jashar?
I was trying to think through it, but I couldn't figure out what Book of Jashar copies and what cards end up where.
It duplicates Acts of Solomon, so it exchanges itself to your deck for a good enhancement and then that good enhancement activates then taken to hand. It's debatable whether Book stays in deck after that or gets taken to hand but I think only the exchange specifies deck while the take abides by default targeting (play) making Book no longer a valid take target.
What actually happens if you exchange Acts of Solomon for Book of Jashar?
I was trying to think through it, but I couldn't figure out what Book of Jashar copies and what cards end up where.
It duplicates Acts of Solomon, so it exchanges itself to your deck for a good enhancement and then that good enhancement activates then taken to hand. It's debatable whether Book stays in deck after that or gets taken to hand but I think only the exchange specifies deck while the take abides by default targeting (play) making Book no longer a valid take target.
I don't see why that is so terribly bad. I guess you can swap Acts for Book back and forth in Type-1 indefinitely, but I don't see how you can get any huge payoff.
Take the lead by 1 and timeout win. But that's boring.What actually happens if you exchange Acts of Solomon for Book of Jashar?
I was trying to think through it, but I couldn't figure out what Book of Jashar copies and what cards end up where.
It duplicates Acts of Solomon, so it exchanges itself to your deck for a good enhancement and then that good enhancement activates then taken to hand. It's debatable whether Book stays in deck after that or gets taken to hand but I think only the exchange specifies deck while the take abides by default targeting (play) making Book no longer a valid take target.
I don't see why that is so terribly bad. I guess you can swap Acts for Book back and forth in Type-1 indefinitely, but I don't see how you can get any huge payoff.
Yeah I agree, I don't think it's actually worth trying to combine Acts and Book unless there's a way to exploit infinite instances of playing an enhancement and searching.
Is it possible that Kings has the most "broken" cards?Depends on whether torn Haman's Plot are considered broken. If yes, then Patriarchs is the winner.
The Body of Christ was a Priests card, and that's obviously the most Broken card in the game.
Thanos
6/6 Multi brigade EC
Reveal a blue, a red, a gold, a purple, a green, and an orange brigade enhancement from hand to banish half the cards in each location at random regardless of protection. Cannot be negated.
Limit once per game.
Probably an "If Starlord is in play" too. :PThanos
6/6 Multi brigade EC
Reveal a blue, a red, a gold, a purple, a green, and an orange brigade enhancement from hand to banish half the cards in each location at random regardless of protection. Cannot be negated.
Limit once per game.
Needs an "If blocking" clause
I think what's crazier is exchanging Acts for Battle Prayer to grab two more Acts and snow-balling it till you have 4 Acts.
Then play 4 cards 8 times.
If you can maintain initiative with multiple copies of Battle Prayer in a (side) battle, THAT gets kinda scary.
All from having only one copy of Acts.
Of the four cards you copy, make one Song of Moses and you get 10 heroes in play (disciples), and then (hopefully) use one acts to get Disciples of the Lamb for two free souls.
When you have 4 Acts in hand, the possibilities are endless.
EDIT: Heck, just play Search 8 times. Do whatever you want really.
Not sure if there is a way to abuse this that's worth including it in a deck... But Acts of Solomon -> Highway is a fun play that returns all GEs in battle, including Highway itself, to your hand.
So why not errata The Acts of Solomon?
So why not errata The Acts of Solomon?
We can and we may. But just because a card plays differently than originally intended (especially an old card) doesn't mean it needs to receive errata if it still functions well.
Personally I'd rather let players have fun with this, especially with States, Regionals and Nationals coming up in the next few months. If decks dominate because they can break this, or if it creates some strong NPE, then it'll probably receive errata. If it doesn't then it's just another fun interaction.