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Title: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: CactusRob on July 05, 2010, 11:58:28 AM
Enjoy!
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: The Warrior on July 05, 2010, 11:59:26 AM
1st post

SWEET! ANTI TGT

http://cactusgamedesign.com/red_game_articles_disciples-2.php (http://cactusgamedesign.com/red_game_articles_disciples-2.php)
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: BubbleBoy on July 05, 2010, 12:01:36 PM
1st post

Reserved
What's that all about? You want to be the first one to review the article or something?

And thanks Rob!

EDIT: YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: YourMathTeacher on July 05, 2010, 12:05:41 PM
Splash defenses will definitely want Lurking and Torment.
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on July 05, 2010, 12:09:58 PM
....This is in my gold deck faster than you can say "Bob's your uncle."
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: Red on July 05, 2010, 12:10:19 PM
darn golgatha.
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: YourMathTeacher on July 05, 2010, 12:11:26 PM
....This is in my gold deck faster than you can say "Bob's your uncle."

I'm glad you said "gold" and not "Egyptian," since it won't work for Egyptians.  ;)
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on July 05, 2010, 12:13:11 PM
....This is in my gold deck faster than you can say "Bob's your uncle."

I'm glad you said "gold" and not "Egyptian," since it won't work for Egyptians.  ;)
Meaning more of my herods being able to block ms. Mariam.

Ruling question!

If someone has the protect sites card out, and I use axe to try to discard his fortress, since his sites are protected he must discard his fortress, yes?

4 of the garden tomb heroes are white? Yay Mary Mag is coming back as is Joanna!

The below is my "work" on the sites.
Spoiler (hover to show)
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: Warrior_Monk on July 05, 2010, 12:17:36 PM
YES! love it. love it. love it.
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: 777Godspeed on July 05, 2010, 12:21:36 PM
Nice.......this is gonna be fun.
Since we have a new White and Purple site known to us, I would guess the next three to be -
1 - Red
2 - Green
3 - Blue
I don't think Silver or Teal fit well with the partial something something hint. Gold would be my alternate pick to Blue.
Just my quick thoughts and guesses.  ;D



Godspeed,
Mike
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: BubbleBoy on July 05, 2010, 12:27:08 PM
I want to clarify something now that was brought up when Kir and Herod's Dungeon were made: Do sites need to have Lost Souls in them to work? The current REG says yes, but I'm not sure about Duke nuk - er, the new REG. That would add some pleasant strategy to the game, but at the same time, I want to be able to use Golgotha AS EASILY AS POSSIBLE. I am SICK of TGT SO MUCH.

Also, I have to say, if another year went by without serious counters to TGT, I was considering taking a break from the game. This has appeased me, at least as long as TGT does not get any more cheap tricks.

And I am going to guess that "Ca..." is Capernaum, and thus is probably red (Centurion), which if true probably means that Red will get some site-clinching power in this set. (Or it might be Blue or Gold, as those are the only good brigades I can think of with cards that affect opponents' sites (Jacob's Dream and Vengeance of Eternal Fire).)

This article was spoilerific. It was definitely worth the wait. :)
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: SirNobody on July 05, 2010, 12:40:13 PM
Hey,

Splash defenses will definitely want Lurking and Torment.

I assume you meant Philosophy and Dance of Death :P

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: Captain Kirk on July 05, 2010, 12:41:26 PM
I assume you meant Philosophy and Dance of Death :P
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Hey now, where is the love for Sun Worship?  The Egyptians used to be addicted to it...  ::)

Kirk
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on July 05, 2010, 12:42:43 PM
I assume you meant Philosophy and Dance of Death :P
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Hey now, where is the love for Sun Worship?  The Egyptians used to be addicted to it...  ::)

Kirk
'Til God used a 2/2 gold enhancement on him.
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: Warrior_Monk on July 05, 2010, 12:43:35 PM
I assume you meant Philosophy and Dance of Death :P
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Hey now, where is the love for Sun Worship?  The Egyptians used to be addicted to it...  ::)

Kirk
'Til God used a 2/2 gold enhancement on him.
Stone of Thebez!!!
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: Isildur on July 05, 2010, 01:00:55 PM
meh I still like how the old version of Golgotha  alot more then this version :P
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: Bryon on July 05, 2010, 01:03:31 PM
I want to clarify something now that was brought up when Kir and Herod's Dungeon were made: Do sites need to have Lost Souls in them to work? The current REG says yes,
The current REG is wrong.

Multi-color sites only work in battle.
Single color sites only work in territory.

Neither has an "occupied" requirement to work.  :)
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: YourMathTeacher on July 05, 2010, 01:09:00 PM
Neither has an "occupied" requirement to work.  :)

Unless the site says, "While this site is occupied"....
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: BubbleBoy on July 05, 2010, 01:15:09 PM
I want to clarify something now that was brought up when Kir and Herod's Dungeon were made: Do sites need to have Lost Souls in them to work? The current REG says yes,
The current REG is wrong.

Multi-color sites only work in battle.
Single color sites only work in territory.

Neither has an "occupied" requirement to work.  :)
Yay!
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: SomeKittens on July 05, 2010, 01:18:53 PM
I'm gonna like these sites.  Too bad I can't afford 'em
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: Prof Underwood on July 05, 2010, 02:43:57 PM
Quote from: article
With Golgotha and Ca..., er, that other new site, players who use N.T. evil characters will have little to fear from ignore abilities.
I am going to guess that Ca... is either short for Calvary (because that would fit with Golgotha as the other name for the place where Jesus died).

I'll leave you with a little game.  See if you can guess the brigade colors on these site previews.  One further clue: all the sites in The Disciples set are different brigades.  For an extra challenge, see if you can figure out the references and the site titles for the first two cards.:

Guess my title Korazin
guess-my-color Site Gold
SPECIAL ABILITY: Protect [ECs] from conversion.  Something else.
SCRIPTURE:  [For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon,] they would have repented [long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.] Luke 10:13
 
Guess my title Nazareth
guess-my-color Site Green
SPECIAL ABILITY: Protect [ECs] from shuffle by an opponent. Protect [opponent's deck] from search abilities.
SCRIPTURE: something something A prophet is not without honour, [in his hometown] Mark 6:4 or Matthew 13:57

guess-my-color Site Process of elimination makes me guess Blue but not much to go on here.
SPECIAL ABILITY: Protect something from capture and discard abilities on opponent's cards. Something else.
These are my guesses based on the clues.  I repeat they are only guesses.  No spoilers here.
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: robm on July 05, 2010, 02:49:16 PM
nice article.

I must say I am not looking forward to this site.


Thanks for biblegateway for helping me figure the verses out!


As for the other sites.

The first one has to be gold.
Guess my title (Tyre or Sidon)
guess-my-color Site (Gold)
SPECIAL ABILITY: Protect evil Characters from conversion.  Protect sites from discard?
SCRIPTURE: Matthew 11:21 ...tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.

Guess my title (Synagogue, Foreign Country)
(Green) Site
SPECIAL ABILITY: Protect (evil Characters) from shuffle by an opponent. Protect (deck )from search abilities.
SCRIPTURE: (Matthew 13:57 or Mark 6:4 Jesus Said), A prophet is not without honour, (but in his own country)



For the sake of guessing I am going to say teal for the last site.
Well thats what I came up with anyway.  Wonder if I got any of it right?
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on July 05, 2010, 03:01:28 PM
I really hope you guys are wrong on the green site's SA, I hope it says in territory (although that'd be a little redundant with the color guard). Then, it'd stop ANB but green would still be viable in t2.
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: SomeKittens on July 05, 2010, 03:02:24 PM
I've got wind of another card:
Something
(possible) abilities: */Something else
SA: Something
Verse: Unsure, but from NT or OT for sure.  Possibly Apocryphal?

*something
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: BubbleBoy on July 05, 2010, 03:04:55 PM
I've got wind of another card:
Something
(possible) abilities: */Something else
SA: Something
Verse: Unsure, but from NT or OT for sure.  Possibly Apocryphal?

*something
What brigade is that?
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: The Warrior on July 05, 2010, 03:08:25 PM
I've got wind of another card:
Something
(possible) abilities: */Something else
SA: Something
Verse: Unsure, but from NT or OT for sure.  Possibly Apocryphal?

*something
What brigade is that?
its something,Engelbert  :P
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: SomeKittens on July 05, 2010, 03:09:50 PM
Most certainly on the color spectrum.  No Ultra-Violet or Infrared.
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: TheHobbit13 on July 05, 2010, 03:41:32 PM
Cool, I guess but you have to deck it and it really conditional... (not every deck play TGT ) I doubt it will see a lot of play in type 1 decks because of the lack of space. At least it is a counter. Would have been better to ban TGT though. Thanks for the article Rob.


BTW does anyone like TGT?
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: Prof Underwood on July 05, 2010, 04:35:06 PM
At least it is a counter. Would have been better to ban TGT though.
As much as I hate TGT, I don't want it banned.  I do really like having this counter coming though :)
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: Alex_Olijar on July 05, 2010, 04:45:16 PM
Cool, I guess but you have to deck it and it really conditional... (not every deck play TGT ) I doubt it will see a lot of play in type 1 decks because of the lack of space. At least it is a counter. Would have been better to ban TGT though. Thanks for the article Rob.


BTW does anyone like TGT?

I like it in T2.
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: TheHobbit13 on July 05, 2010, 05:44:42 PM
Cool, I guess but you have to deck it and it really conditional... (not every deck play TGT ) I doubt it will see a lot of play in type 1 decks because of the lack of space. At least it is a counter. Would have been better to ban TGT though. Thanks for the article Rob.


BTW does anyone like TGT?

I like it in T2.

You like to play with it or you don't think it is broken in type two? I think it is safe to say it is farely broken in type 2  for the mere fact that you can have multiples of territory destruction cards. But your right it isn't as powerful.

At least it is a counter. Would have been better to ban TGT though.
As much as I hate TGT, I don't want it banned.  I do really like having this counter coming though :)
Fair enough, but if you played other CCG's I am willing to bet your oppinion would be different.  :) I know when I started playing other games I realized how Broken some of the things in Redemption are.
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: SirNobody on July 05, 2010, 09:24:57 PM
Hey,

BTW does anyone like TGT?

I like discarding TGT from my hand to things like Generous Widow and the hand discard lost soul. :)

Just like when provisions/CTB became dominant I like the fact that it exists because it presents a new method players can use to pursue victory.  Just like when provisions/CTB became dominant its going to take some time and new cards to balance out this new method to bring it into line with the other methods that exist.  But the more possible methods there are to win with the more interesting the game is, so in the long run The Garden Tomb is good for the game and I like that it exists.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: TheHobbit13 on July 05, 2010, 09:29:21 PM
Hey,

BTW does anyone like TGT?
so in the long run The Garden Tomb is good for the game and I like that it exists.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
Let me know if you still feel that way after regionals  ;)
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: RTSmaniac on July 05, 2010, 09:49:49 PM
Cool, I guess but you have to deck it and it really conditional... (not every deck play TGT ) I doubt it will see a lot of play in type 1 decks because of the lack of space. At least it is a counter. Would have been better to ban TGT though. Thanks for the article Rob.


BTW does anyone like TGT?

I think any deck running demons will also play with this site. Does this site nuke Three Nails? and what happens when i shuffle this site back into deck with enhancments placed on it? do the enhancments follow?
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on July 05, 2010, 09:53:30 PM
Cool, I guess but you have to deck it and it really conditional... (not every deck play TGT ) I doubt it will see a lot of play in type 1 decks because of the lack of space. At least it is a counter. Would have been better to ban TGT though. Thanks for the article Rob.


BTW does anyone like TGT?

I think any deck running demons will also play with this site. Does this site nuke Three Nails? and what happens when i shuffle this site back into deck with enhancments placed on it? do the enhancments follow?
Does 3 nails ignore? Yes.
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: RTSmaniac on July 05, 2010, 09:56:40 PM
But of course!  Who loves this site more? TKPRR or RTSmaniac?
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: The Warrior on July 05, 2010, 09:58:17 PM
Cool, I guess but you have to deck it and it really conditional... (not every deck play TGT ) I doubt it will see a lot of play in type 1 decks because of the lack of space. At least it is a counter. Would have been better to ban TGT though. Thanks for the article Rob.


BTW does anyone like TGT?

I think any deck running demons will also play with this site. Does this site nuke Three Nails? and what happens when i shuffle this site back into deck with enhancments placed on it? do the enhancments follow?
thoughts...rash oath, Phar. and Sad. enhs. : just a hireling, doctrine like leaven etc recursion
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on July 05, 2010, 10:19:14 PM
But of course!  Who loves this site more? TKPRR or RTSmaniac?
Probably you because I don't mind TGT at all.
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: RTSmaniac on July 05, 2010, 10:28:52 PM
oh i luz me sum TGT. I hate 3nails! Death to 3nails- FOREVER!!! HahahaHA.
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on July 05, 2010, 10:38:57 PM
oh i luz me sum TGT. I hate 3nails! Death to 3nails- FOREVER!!! HahahaHA.
+1
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: Bryon on July 05, 2010, 11:06:26 PM
At our last couple tournaments, Zebulun was responsible for far more rescues than TGT was.  Over the last 2 years, Three Nails has allowed for more rescues at our tournaments than TGT has.  Pre-block ignore is frustrating.  This card is only one of the tools players will have to combat it once The Disciples releases.
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: Warrior_Monk on July 05, 2010, 11:22:30 PM
At our last couple tournaments, Zebulun was responsible for far more rescues than TGT was.  Over the last 2 years, Three Nails has allowed for more rescues at our tournaments than TGT has.  Pre-block ignore is frustrating.  This card is only one of the tools players will have to combat it once The Disciples releases.
really? that's strange. nobody in MN plays with Three Nails.
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: Ironica on July 05, 2010, 11:34:50 PM
Sweetness.  And I was just thinking of revisiting my site-lock deck :)
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: Bryon on July 05, 2010, 11:35:16 PM
At our last couple tournaments, Zebulun was responsible for far more rescues than TGT was.  Over the last 2 years, Three Nails has allowed for more rescues at our tournaments than TGT has.  Pre-block ignore is frustrating.  This card is only one of the tools players will have to combat it once The Disciples releases.
really? that's strange. nobody in MN plays with Three Nails.
That's 'cause nobody in MN likes orange.  :)
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on July 05, 2010, 11:38:20 PM
I use three nails to stop that scary Possessing Demon after my Jake + RTC.
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: YourMathTeacher on July 05, 2010, 11:43:33 PM
I use three nails to stop that scary Possessing Demon after my Jake + RTC.

Two of my new players starting using Blue Genesis offense, so when their father decided to start playing, I gave him a Babylonian defense with Possessing Demon..... and there was much rejoicing from the older crowd.....
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on July 05, 2010, 11:45:42 PM
Possessing Demon rocks, I always wonder why I've only seen one player use it outside of booster. Atleast half the T2 decks I see use Jacob and Rueben's Torn Clothes ;D (and the other half use ANB)
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: Warrior_Monk on July 06, 2010, 12:31:55 AM
Possessing Demon rocks, I always wonder why I've only seen one player use it outside of booster. Atleast half the T2 decks I see use Jacob and Rueben's Torn Clothes ;D (and the other half use ANB)
it's pretty much a staple. outside of Zebby and Abe's Serv, he's a tough cookie to crack.
Title: Re: 2nd Disciples Article Posted
Post by: Gabe on July 06, 2010, 12:40:05 AM
Possessing Demon is Kansas City tech from Wild Bill's Annual T2 Tournament in '09.  Mad props to the boys from KC and that old guy who drove them! :)
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