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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Playgroup and Tournament Central => Redemption® Online Gaming => Topic started by: Red on February 15, 2010, 09:22:58 AM
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basicly you have to take one of these underused themes and build a deck around it.
theme1:deacons
theme2:daniel
theme3:musicans
theme4:jude
theme5:no SA characters
theme6:red warriors
theme7:apostles
theme8:acts
NOTE:this is rts only so I can't play.
send me a decklist and we'll go on from there.
depending on the number of entrats it'll be ether round robin or single emantion.
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I will build one for ya, but I won't be able to play with it...if that is fine...I love building decks on rts. Somebody else can use it if they want...
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jude? I didn't even know that jude could have a theme!
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I will build one for ya, but I won't be able to play with it...if that is fine...I love building decks on rts. Somebody else can use it if they want...
+1
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i just got done one. Did you wanted posted here, or sent in a pm? I just kinda threw it together. It can be moded to fit the person playing...
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post it here.
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I don't want to be
an isotope of radon produced by radioactive disintegration
Question, since this is a contest are there any prizes?
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no sorry need to change the title.
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Jude and Acts aren't really themes, especially since there are no cards that specify those kinds of characters in their abilities. Other than that, I think this is a fantastic idea. For defense, I think Syrians, Persians, Sadducees, Assyrians, and Greeks should be on the list. (This list is more difficult to make, as defense is a bit more balanced between themes than offense.)
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Jude and Acts aren't really themes, especially since there are no cards that specify those kinds of characters in their abilities. Other than that, I think this is a fantastic idea. For defense, I think Syrians, Persians, Sadducees, Assyrians, and Greeks should be on the list. (This list is more difficult to make, as defense is a bit more balanced between themes than offense.)
For the defense, I would suggest stating that you would have to make a pure defense with those themes (since I do use Greeks in one of my decks but I also have some Pharisees and Nero in it as well).
Also, why Sadducees? They have plenty to make a good defense.
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I think he meant pharisees.
Btw: For giggles, can I mix themes?
Jude and Acts aren't really themes, especially since there are no cards that specify those kinds of characters in their abilities. Other than that, I think this is a fantastic idea. For defense, I think Syrians, Persians, Sadducees, Assyrians, and Greeks should be on the list. (This list is more difficult to make, as defense is a bit more balanced between themes than offense.)
If I tell you I force my brother to use a Red Warrior/Grey Syrian (with a nero splash) deck, does I get a cookie? (It actually is pretty good)
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He could have easily meant Sadducees, this thread is about underused, not bad. Compared to Greeks, using A-Bom, or the greatness of Philitines, Sadducees kind of get left behind.
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They are underused, but they used to be top meta.
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I don't want to be an isotope of radon produced by radioactive disintegration
Question, since this is a contest are there any prizes?
Yeah if we get ten people and at least three games (preliminary and championsihp), I'll send a pack to the winner. :)
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Woot Buckler here I come!
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Jude and Acts aren't really themes, especially since there are no cards that specify those kinds of characters in their abilities. Other than that, I think this is a fantastic idea. For defense, I think Syrians, Persians, Sadducees, Assyrians, and Greeks should be on the list. (This list is more difficult to make, as defense is a bit more balanced between themes than offense.)
For the defense, I would suggest stating that you would have to make a pure defense with those themes (since I do use Greeks in one of my decks but I also have some Pharisees and Nero in it as well).
Also, why Sadducees? They have plenty to make a good defense.
I disagree with Sadducees as well. Also, Syrians and Assyrians are iffy, they are underused only because of the general preference for small defenses in Redemption, but in a format like this, where there are no Z's Temple Priests or Prophet offenses, they would dominate.
On the other hand, I don't think that making a pure Persian or Greek defense would be possible. But I do think there should be a clear cut definition of what a "theme" is. That is, what percentage of characters in the deck need to be from the theme to make it a themed deck? Note that there are currently only 5 Greeks and 5 Persians in the game. I could make a deacon deck, sure, but I could make it 100x better by adding in Claudia. Just some things to think about.
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+1 I agree very much so. Though pure Syrian's would be interesting. No nero, No shadow, etc.
Cards in deck: 63
Lost Souls: 8
Lost Soul (anti-ignore)
Lost Soul (female only)
Lost Soul (N.T. only)
Lost Soul (revealer)
Lost Soul (shuffler)
Lost Soul (site guard)
Lost Soul (Speed Bump)
Lost Soul (Wanderer)
Lamb Dominants: 4
Angel of the Lord
Grapes of Wrath
New Jerusalem
Son of God
Grim Reaper Dominants: 3
Christian Martyr
Destruction of Nehushtan
Falling Away
Fortresses: 2
House of Rimmon
Wall of Protection
Multi-Color Sites: 2
Dragon Raid
New Jerusalem (site)
Artifacts: 4
Chariot of Fire
Priestly Crown
Ram's Horn
Unholy Writ
White Covenant Cards: 3
Go Into Captivity (Crimson)
Unknown Nation (Yellow)
Unsuccessful (Gray)
Red Heroes: 8
Abishai
Army of Simeonites
Caleb
Jael
Jephthah
Men of Judah
Spy
The Centurion at Capernaum
Red Hero Enhancements: 13
A Soldier's Prayer
Baggage
Battle Cry
Caleb's Sword
Counsel of Abigail
David's Mighty Men
Freedom!
Holy Ground
Jael's Nail
Power of the Cross
The Battle is the Lord's
The Might of Faith
Warrior's Spear
Multi ecs: 2
Antiochius (It says he is syrian :D)
Winged leopard (Not a sryian but 1 outa 7 ain't too bad)
Gray Evil Characters: 5
King Cushan-Rishathaim
King Hazael
Naaman
Syrian Archer
The Strong Force
Gray Evil Enhancements: 9
Balaam's Disobedience
Deluge of Rain
Demonic Snare
False Peace
Gold Shield
Israel Pays Tribute
Namaan's Chariot and Horses
Night Raid
Syrian Victory
And there you have it. I can switch to Pharisees if people feel Syrian's are too wyn.
Pharisee defense.
High Priest's Palace
UN
Unsuccessful
Gray Evil Characters: 7
Entrapping Pharisees
Hard-Hearted Religious Leaders
Hard-Hearted Religious Leaders
Pharisees
Pharisees
Pharisees
Proud Pharisee
Gray Evil Enhancements: 10
Balaam's Disobedience
Deluge of Rain
Demonic Snare
False Peace
Gold Shield
Israel Pays Tribute
Namaan's Chariot and Horses
Night Raid
Pretension
Begging for grain
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No underused is like first-strike. That's an underused theme. If you are using Syrians or Assyrians, no packs for you. ;) I think sads is underused enough. Hm... greeks are under-used I think (let me explain.) If you are forced to use one of those offenses, you can't possibly pull of a-bom, which means you're forced to use just greeks... which, let's face it, aren't that great.
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Luke heroes should be up there. I've never seen an offense with those. Also Yes first strike is, but if used right (on evil) its nasty.
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IMO, you shouldn't be able to use tin themes
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IMO, you shouldn't be able to use tin themes
*blink* O_o; Then all themes are done. Well cept Deacons. Just cuz a theme got a tin or two (Musicians, Luke heroes) Doesn't make them used.
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FWIW, my Luke/John deck has done pretty well. Though that's mostly due to the Philistine defense, but it can be a great offense if you play it right.
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Jude and Acts aren't really themes, especially since there are no cards that specify those kinds of characters in their abilities. Other than that, I think this is a fantastic idea. For defense, I think Syrians, Persians, Sadducees, Assyrians, and Greeks should be on the list. (This list is more difficult to make, as defense is a bit more balanced between themes than offense.)
For the defense, I would suggest stating that you would have to make a pure defense with those themes (since I do use Greeks in one of my decks but I also have some Pharisees and Nero in it as well).
Also, why Sadducees? They have plenty to make a good defense.
I disagree with Sadducees as well. Also, Syrians and Assyrians are iffy, they are underused only because of the general preference for small defenses in Redemption, but in a format like this, where there are no Z's Temple Priests or Prophet offenses, they would dominate.
On the other hand, I don't think that making a pure Persian or Greek defense would be possible. But I do think there should be a clear cut definition of what a "theme" is. That is, what percentage of characters in the deck need to be from the theme to make it a themed deck? Note that there are currently only 5 Greeks and 5 Persians in the game. I could make a deacon deck, sure, but I could make it 100x better by adding in Claudia. Just some things to think about.
When I said Sadds, I actually meant Sadds. I see Pharisees used all the time, but I don't think I've seen a single Sadducee in a deck (besides one of mine that I never played with) since TxP came out. Whether or not it's powerful, I believe it is one of the most underused.
As for the character concentration, I say the minimum percentage of characters from that theme should be 50%. This would allow for 8-10 character defenses (or offenses) for the themes that only have a few cards so far.
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defnce themes are
theme1:sadds
theme2:persans.or emps your choice.
theme3:evil isearlites
theme4:judean kings(or whatever works with gates)
theme5:syirans
theme6:ayissans
theme7:herods
theme8:magicans
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defnce themes are
theme1:sadds
theme2:persans.or emps your choice.
theme3:evil isearlites
theme4:judean kings(or whatever works with gates)
theme5:syirans
theme6:ayissans
theme7:herods
theme8:magicans
3 is OP'd in this. and you listed 3 brown colors... ... Emps are one of the most common defenses. as are Assyrians...
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theme1:sadds
theme2:persans.or emps your choice.
theme3:evil isearlites
theme4:judean kings(or whatever works with gates)
theme5:syirans
theme6:ayissans
theme7:herods
theme8:magicans
Magicians are definitely not underused, at least as far as I've seen. Same with Emperors. Evil Israelites really isn't a theme at all right now. Other than that, I agree with this list (except for the fact that the word Assyrians has been tortured and mutilated beyond recognition outside of context).
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O_o;
Where do you live dude? I like your meta. Pharisees for a norm. Emps not spammed to death. Sounds good.
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Was that directed at me?
Anyway, here's a final list of the themes I think should be used:
Deacons
Daniel Heroes
Musicans
Non-SA Heroes
Warriors
Apostles
Non-ZT Priests
Sadducees
Persians
Judean Kings
Syrians
Assyrians
Herods
Greeks
And I think the matchups between brigades should be determined before the games are played, and one set of themes should be assigned to each player. For example, Warriors and Syrians should probably go with each other, etc. No more characters that are not from the specific theme can be in the deck than there are theme-specific characters in that brigade (meaning that if I have three blue and one purple deacon in my deacon deck, I can only put one more purple hero in the deck, but I can put up to three non-deacon blue characters in).
This is how I would do it anyway.
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i like BBs list.
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Take out Assyrians and Syrians and you're good. Also, just as clarification you can use judean queens as well. ;)
Seriously, Assyrians are good. And used a LOT, especially here in So Cal. I will not give a pack to someone using Assyrians. ;)
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ok replace assyians with jehu's dynasty kings.
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Yes BB that was at you. I haven't seen a pharisee defense outside of my own around here, or online even.
I'm with LN. Remove assyrians/syrians. CBN p next? vs those other themes? GG.
I myself would add Pharisees and Demons (orange)
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what wrong with jehu's dynasty?
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Well A Jehu's dynasty is limited, and B is encompassed in Israelite kings.
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but the theme is judean kings.
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Ya know, maybe you should make a poll somewhere that asks what the most underused themes are. Then grab the top 7 of each and use it for the contest.
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idk these are pretty underused.also what about allowing AIM/chesschat?
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Ya know, maybe you should make a poll somewhere that asks what the most underused themes are. Then grab the top 7 of each and use it for the contest.
Ideally, this is the best. But by now we can pretty much get the same result with what we have from you guys anyway.
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Where do you live dude? I like your meta. Pharisees for a norm. Emps not spammed to death. Sounds good.
I never said Pharisees were a norm, just that they weren't underused as far as I have seen (which I forgot to mention is a quite limited viewpoint). I also never said that Emperors were underused. In fact, I said the opposite here (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=19798.msg309722#msg309722).
As for taking out Syrians, I do not see why. I have never, ever, seen a Syrian defense used in a tournament by someone with two digits in their age (besides myself once). I hardly ever see Assyrians either, but them more often for sure. Maybe Pharisees would be a better choice, and Demons as well.
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I see Pharisees used all the time,
All the time = Norm ;)
I did goof on who the emps were at though. Red said that and I garbled it together.
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I just have to say this now BB...your pic scares the holy begeebus outta me...seriously...
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I see Pharisees used all the time,
All the time = Norm ;)
Well, your definition for the phrase "all the time" is more strict than mine. "All the time" for me just means "a lot." And BTW, I never see Pharisees by themselves; they always have Emperors or Sadducees or Demons with them.
I just have to say this now BB...your pic scares the holy begeebus outta me...seriously...
Thank you. :-*
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I guess it is. Sorry for assuming ours were the same, when I say all the time I mean 1/4th of the people I play use it.
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I guess it is. Sorry for assuming ours were the same, when I say all the time I mean 1/4th of the people I play use it.
Well, that is sort of what I mean (maybe a little less).
Perhaps "norm" then is the arbitrarily defined word. I define norm (at least in this case specifically) as being used more than any other theme, which Pharisees certainly is not.
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I guess it is. Sorry for assuming ours were the same, when I say all the time I mean 1/4th of the people I play use it.
Well, that is sort of what I mean (maybe a little less).
Perhaps "norm" then is the arbitrarily defined word. I define norm (at least in this case specifically) as being used more than any other theme, which Pharisees certainly is not.
Ah, Naw. I define Norm by something I can count on seeing within a tournament. If 1/4th of the players use pharisees, I have a high chance of hitting a pharisee deck then.
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Cards in deck: 70
Lost Souls: 9
Lost Soul (deck discard)
Lost Soul (female only)
Lost Soul (N.T. only)
Lost Soul (revealer)
Lost Soul (Site Discard)
Lost Soul (site doubler)
Lost Soul (site guard)
Lost Soul (site remove)
Lost Soul (Wanderer)
Lamb Dominants: 4
Angel of the Lord
Glory of the Lord
New Jerusalem
Son of God
Grim Reaper Dominants: 4
Burial
Christian Martyr
Destruction of Nehushtan
Falling Away
Fortresses: 2
Chamber of Angels
Solomon's Temple
Multi-Color Sites: 1
The Ends of the Earth
Red Sites: 3
Babylon
Babylon
Babylon
Gold Sites: 1
Kir
Green Sites: 1
Babylonian Banquet Hall
Blue Sites: 1
Hormah
Purple Sites: 1
Pergamum
Artifacts: 5
Chariot of Fire
Darius' Decree
Golden Calf
Windows of Narrow Light
Wool Fleece
Blue Covenant Cards: 1
I am Holy
Silver Heroes: 8
Angel of Revelation
Angel of Warning
Gabriel
Michael
Reassuring Angel
Reassuring Angel
Reassuring Angel
The Strong Angel
Blue Heroes: 1
Eli the Priest
Silver Hero Enhancements: 9
Angel's Sword
Consuming Fire
Flaming Sword
Protection of Angels
Seventh Trumpet, The
Striking Herod
Swift Beings
Three Angels
Victory
Brown Evil Characters: 8
Complainers
King Ahaziah
King Jeroboam I
King Joram
King Nadab
King Omri
King Zedekiah
The Jeering Youths
Multi-Color Evil Enhancements: 2
Demonic Blockade (orange/brown)
Lying Unto God
Brown Evil Enhancements: 8
Dungeon of Malchiah
Gibeonite Trickery
Korah's Rebellion
Mask of Arrogance
Shimei's Malicious Curse
Stiff-Necked
Taking Naboth's Vineyard
Threatened Lives
For giggles.
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Jeroboam's Idolatry + a well-timed Watcher would be epicsauce. Especially due to King Jeroboam I's SA.
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That'd be gigglefest.
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