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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => REG and ORDIR => Topic started by: Lamborghini_diablo on April 26, 2013, 01:59:58 PM
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So, everyone has been asking where to find cards, card images, rules, identifiers, have the ability to copy and paste, and be able to update quickly.
I am proud to present my project for the past month:
http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Redemption_Wiki (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Redemption_Wiki)
I will not take full credit for this website. Somekittens had started it back in 2010, then MJWolfe managed to add the majority of the cards with an awesome script. However, the REG 2.0 came out not long after that, and people sorta forgot about this website. I rediscovered it about a month ago, and decided to completely overhaul it while nobody was using it. It now contains the ENTIRE reg, every card to date with an image, the last rulebook (which is significantly out of date... I will add the new one when it comes out this year), card lists by brigade, type, set, and book, and the identifier lists the REG already had.
This wiki is not 100% finished, but I feel it is functional enough to finally "re-release" to the public. If you would like to help out, please see this page for what I would like help on and rules for editing: http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Editing_the_Wiki (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Editing_the_Wiki)
If you would like to help, I will gladly let you. If you would prefer to just use the wiki, that is perfectly fine too, I will continue working on this regardless of how many people join in. The bulk of the work is done anyway. :)
*EDIT* Also, while I still have some plans for bulk edits, you do not need to make large scale changes on your own. If everyone each fixes one little error when they see it, that works just fine. I made sure the core of the wiki functions, now we just need to make sure it's all 100% accurate. :)
If you are not comfortable editing wikis, you can simply send me a PM on these forums and tell me any errors or missing information you find.
Having said all that, ENJOY! ;D
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This looks awesome! I am currently heading a project among the elders to update the Play As/Erratas for all cards, but it has more or less taken a backseat to other projects. When the updates are complete, I will likely recruit you to help integrate them into the Wiki. I will also add the link to the Wiki on the Rulings board. I do have a question though: do you have any say in what ads are shown? I didn't see anything objectionable, but I want to make sure that nothing like that will show up if it can be avoided.
Well done!
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This looks awesome! I am currently heading a project among the elders to update the Play As/Erratas for all cards, but it has more or less taken a backseat to other projects. When the updates are complete, I will likely recruit you to help integrate them into the Wiki. I will also add the link to the Wiki on the Rulings board. I do have a question though: do you have any say in what ads are shown? I didn't see anything objectionable, but I want to make sure that nothing like that will show up if it can be avoided.
Well done!
Unfortunately, I do not have direct control over the ads. I can however report "bad ads" as seen here: http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Bad_advertisements (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Bad_advertisements)
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I took only a quick look, but this update appears to be quite comprehensive and helpful! Probably more user-friendly than the online REG was, too.
If I had more time, I would love to help with the update project, but unfortunately I don't think I'll be able to devote much time.
One thing I noticed - and perhaps this could be an automated fix - is in a card's "Other Versions" section, they are linked to a page like "Rod of Iron (Warriors)" instead of "Rod of Iron (Wa)", only the latter of which is a page. Whether it's wiser to set up a ton of redirects or to fix a bunch of links isn't my call... I think I'd go for redirects, personally, but I could see the argument either way. Similarly, searching for something like "Birth Foretold" should probably redirect to the proper page ("Birth Foretold (Di)") while something like "Bow and Arrow" should go to a disambig page. I'm sure these are in the works, I just wanted to point it out.
What are your plans for the body text of a card's page? Trivia, errata, rules, articles, decks found in?
Will you have categories encompass ability types, too? So, could I easily find a list of all articles belonging to a "search" ability card? EDIT: It seems most pages have this, it's just the newer ones like Birth Foretold don't.
Looking excellent so far, and with a slight bit of further sprucing up (much of which you've identified), could push it juuust over the edge to be SUPREEEEME!
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One thing I noticed - and perhaps this could be an automated fix - is in a card's "Other Versions" section, they are linked to a page like "Rod of Iron (Warriors)" instead of "Rod of Iron (Wa)", only the latter of which is a page. Whether it's wiser to set up a ton of redirects or to fix a bunch of links isn't my call... I think I'd go for redirects, personally, but I could see the argument either way. Similarly, searching for something like "Birth Foretold" should probably redirect to the proper page ("Birth Foretold (Di)") while something like "Bow and Arrow" should go to a disambig page. I'm sure these are in the works, I just wanted to point it out.
This is on my personal to-do list. It's just rather time consuming and not really critical for the wiki to function. I will handle this task myself.
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An explanation for this: When MJWolfe added the majority of the card pages, he did not use the REG format for set suffixes (Di), (Wa), Etc. I had to manually rename EVERY card page to the old REG system, but he already had a ton of links on each page. I just need to update those.
What are your plans for the body text of a card's page? Trivia, errata, rules, articles, decks found in?
Play As / Errata are already included in the special ability section (example: http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Saul_(Ap) (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Saul_(Ap))). Strategies and whatnot can be added outside of the infobox. Try to keep opinionated statements (This card is better than X) out.
Will you have categories encompass ability types, too? So, could I easily find a list of all articles belonging to a "search" ability card? EDIT: It seems most pages have this, it's just the newer ones like Birth Foretold don't.
This is in the Advanced Edits page of Editing the Wiki. I have added links within card pages back to the various ability pages (example: http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Ahimelek_the_Hittite_(RA2) (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Ahimelek_the_Hittite_(RA2))). Once those are added on EVERY card, I can simply go to each ability page, see what links there, and create a comprehensive list of every card with X ability.
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Disregard the double post:
Elders, if you would like advanced permissions on this wiki to edit things yourself, send me a PM and I'll see what I can do.
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Thanks, it looks great!
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One other thing of note:
I intentionally left out the Limited versions of cards. 99% of them are the exact same as the Unlimited editions.
If you find any cards that ARE indeed different from the Unlimited variant, let me know and I'll add them specifically. The only one I can think of right now is the Lost Souls card, and that's already in the wiki.
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A thought for the Wiki... The well-made Dominion Wiki (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php) has a cool feature where mousing over a card link shows an image of it. (See for instance the page on Market (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Market).) That sort of functionality might make some pages more interesting or enlightening; for instance, the Reprints Page (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Reprints). Thoughts?
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Woah, that's a cool feature.
I may look into something like that, granted I have no idea how hard it will be to add.
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Woah, that's a cool feature.
I may look into something like that, granted I have no idea how hard it will be to add.
It looks like it's a custom template. It also requires the image file name to be exactly the card's title plus ".jpg". I'm not sure what more is required, or if there's a custom add-on you'd need.
EDIT: Looks like some custom CSS is required, since their Card template (in the form {{Card|Market}}) is:
<span class="card-popup">[[{{{1}}}|{{#if: {{{2|}}}|{{{2}}}|{{{1}}}}}]]<span>[[File:{{{1}}}.jpg|200px|link=]]</span></span>
And from a site CSS file:
span.card-popup {
position: relative;
}
span.card-popup a + span, span.card-popup strong.selflink + span {
left: 20px;
position: absolute;
top: 20px;
visibility: hidden;
z-index: -1;
}
span.card-popup a:hover + span {
height: auto;
visibility: visible;
z-index: 1;
}
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Just gave this a quick surf on my phone and the mobile version looks great. Thanks for all the hard work in making/updating this.
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Yeah, it almost works better on phones than on the normal wiki layout. :rollin:
*edit*
Just looked at the front page on my Galaxy S3, you do have to scroll to the right on the Cards By ____ sections. The card pages themselves work really well on a phone though.
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Regarding the upcoming Starter and Tin, I will add those myself once the full list of each is released. It's faster for me if I can format all the information at the same time.
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On any other day I think this would be a pretty big topic of conversation. Today it's been overshadowed by all the new cards Rob has leaked. Lambo, well done. This is amazing. Thank you! :) :) :)
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On any other day I think this would be a pretty big topic of conversation. Today it's been overshadowed by all the new cards Rob has leaked.
I noticed... :'(
Could you possibly move this to Official Rules or Card Play so it doesn't keep being hidden by the new set thread? I want people to know this resource exists.
Lambo, well done. This is amazing. Thank you! :) :) :)
Thanks. ;D
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If the Redemption Hall of Fame thing is still going on, Lambo should definitely be nominated for Biggest Contributor.
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Maybe this is nitpicky, but the G/H starter decks (per Rob) are not 4th edition, so I think it's confusing (especially since there now is an actual 4th edition) to call them that on the Wiki.
:2cents:
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Maybe this is nitpicky, but the G/H starter decks (per Rob) are not 4th edition, so I think it's confusing (especially since there now is an actual 4th edition) to call them that on the Wiki.
:2cents:
Taken care of :)
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Maybe this is nitpicky, but the G/H starter decks (per Rob) are not 4th edition, so I think it's confusing (especially since there now is an actual 4th edition) to call them that on the Wiki.
:2cents:
Yeah, I just realized that today. That was a leftover thing from when the wiki was initially started in 2010
Also Mageducky, it's okay in this case, but when renaming pages, I try to avoid having a bunch of redirects everywhere. I don't think many other pages will need to be moved though.
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So, I don't know if this is a coding issue or a glitch with the search function, but I just searched for "Scribe" and got 2 pages of results but none of them were the actual Scribe card, lol.
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So, I don't know if this is a coding issue or a glitch with the search function, but I just searched for "Scribe" and got 2 pages of results but none of them were the actual Scribe card, lol.
It pulled the word Scribe from the reference of a lot of other card pages. If you use the search bar on another page and wait a second, Scribe (Di) pops up.
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Aha, that works splendidly.
Also, I don't mean to only be pointing out flaws, those are just the things I notice first, lol. Overall great job! :D
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Aha, that works splendidly.
Also, I don't mean to only be pointing out flaws, those are just the things I notice first, lol. Overall great job! :D
No worries!
Also, don't feel bad pointing out issues. How can you improve if you don't know what needs fixing? ;)
Now that the core of this site is complete, we can shape it over time to be the ultimate source of information for this game.
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Now that the core of this site is complete, we can shape it over time to be the ultimate source of information for this game.
(http://th02.deviantart.net/fs49/200H/i/2009/209/1/2/ULTIMATE_POWAH_by_nigellus.jpg)
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Disregard the double post:
Elders, if you would like advanced permissions on this wiki to edit things yourself, send me a PM and I'll see what I can do.
So, disregard this post. It turns out I don't have rights to change other people's rights.
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Now that I have actually used this, a big thumbs up, Lambo. Bookmarked and will be using frequently.
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Just a heads up,
I have started going through the Glossary of Terms to clean up and link the identifiers on each card. This project will take a few weeks, so if you see any half-formatted Identifier sections, don't worry. :)
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Unfortunately, I do not have direct control over the ads. I can however report "bad ads" as seen here: http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Bad_advertisements (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Bad_advertisements)
Is there perhaps a pay option to remove ads altogether that we could chip in for?
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The wiki's actually used/useful now? BUAHAHAHAHA. A day I thought would never come.
Lambo, if you need admin, etc (don't remember if you've got it), you can email me at rkoutnik [at] gmail
For thinking this far ahead, I get the prophet identifier on my personal card.
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The wiki's actually used/useful now? BUAHAHAHAHA. A day I thought would never come.
Lambo, if you need admin, etc (don't remember if you've got it), you can email me at rkoutnik [at] gmail
For thinking this far ahead, I get the prophet identifier on my personal card.
I have admin status already, is it possible for you to grant me bureaucrat status? I know the person who creates a wiki is automatically granted that.
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Yes, enjoy this I will. Awesome awesome job!! Works great on my phone which was what i was looking for! ;D
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Hey guys, I wanted to point out two things about what I am doing with Identifiers in the wiki.
First, you may notice some identifiers say "Depicting a Weapon" and others say "Depicting Weapons." This is not a mistake, the REG lists both separately, as one is for The Book of Wars (good enhancements), and the other is for Shield of Faith (evil enhancements).
Second is a cool new feature I came up with. You know how the REG lists sometimes include cards that refer to various terms? I have started to add that into identifier lists as seen here: http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/The_Winged_Lion_(RA) (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/The_Winged_Lion_(RA))
You may get the same link twice, like Babylonian in this example, but I feel it's better to include everything than to keep it short. We have an entire page for each card, there's no shortage of space. :)
When I have finished going through all of the glossary of terms lists, I will go back through and add as many extra categories as I can. Examples will include:
* Adding a "refers to" list to the demons entry
* "Place" in the special ability (for High Places)
* "Ignores" in the special ability (for I am Love)
If you can think of any other lists you want me to include later, let me know.
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What are your thoughts about linking specifically named cards to their pages? For example, should the page for Resurrection (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Resurrection_%28Di%29) link to Potter's Field? If so, in the ability text or the main body as something like, "This card refers to: Potter's Field (Wa); Potter's Field (Ki)". (Alternately, on Potter's Field, "The following cards refer to Potter's Field: Resurrection (Di), Raising of the Saints (Wa)...")
How about making artist pages?
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What are your thoughts about linking specifically named cards to their pages? For example, should the page for Resurrection (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Resurrection_%28Di%29) link to Potter's Field? If so, in the ability text or the main body as something like, "This card refers to: Potter's Field (Wa); Potter's Field (Ki)". (Alternately, on Potter's Field, "The following cards refer to Potter's Field: Resurrection (Di), Raising of the Saints (Wa)...")
I was initially thinking I could link to specific cards under identifiers, since I'm already doing "Refers to:" there. Now that you mention the inverse of it... it might be best to just have those two lists outside of the infobox. So it'd be:
==This card refer to the following cards:==
*list
==The following cards refer to this card:==
*list
How about making artist pages?
We can, but that has no value in terms of gameplay. It'd be more of a fun reference for people who like certain artists.
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I'm looking at the Wiki page for black enhancements, and there are no enhancements listed after "Intent to Kill (AW)". Pages for cards that come after that exist, but they have no links on the black enhancements page. Is this still under construction, or was this just missed?
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Oops. That was not intentional. I'll fix that now.
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Hey guys, just a note:
I plan to add the new cards to the wiki on Friday (my next day off).
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http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Rock_of_Ages_3_Expansion (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Rock_of_Ages_3_Expansion)
The tin is now added to the wiki. :)
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Is there any way to make this an app so you wouldn't have to have access to the internet to use it?
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Not that I know of.
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FYI
I edited the Type II building rules to match with THESE RULES (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/type-2-deck-advice/t2-deck-rules/)
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Wikia actually does provide an API for app developers so yes this could be made in to an app if someone were to be so adventurous.
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Under the Split Brigade page, Faithful Servant is listed as Gold/Purple/White when he is actually Green/Purple/White.
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An app would be an incredibly valuable resource for tournament hosts. I don't know anything about that sort of thing though :p
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I've been working pretty extensively on a wikia for another game I play (over 1000 edits), so if any additional help is needed just PM/post here/whatever.
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Under the Split Brigade page, Faithful Servant is listed as Gold/Purple/White when he is actually Green/Purple/White.
I fixed this. :D
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Under the Split Brigade page, Faithful Servant is listed as Gold/Purple/White when he is actually Green/Purple/White.
I fixed this. :D
I liked the old way better
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So did I...would've made for a much better add-in to my Garden Tomb deck...oh well. Another thing, the card "Convincing Miracle" has an ability that ends "Cannot be negated if opponent has less than 10 cards in deck", but the Special Ability part of the page says "Cannot be negated if opponent has less than 10 cards in hand". Another thing which I would like better if it were accurate, but alas, 'twas not meant to be.
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Asrgimli, most of the pages are open to anyone to edit. If you spot things that need to be fixed, feel free to fix them. That's the biggest advantage this wiki has over the old REG.
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I guess I'm just not confident in my editing abilities...this last one I think I could have done had I remembered I could, but the one before I didn't know how to do, which is why I had posted it.
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Fair enough. If you are ever unsure of how to edit, shoot me a PM and I'll be glad to help you figure out how. :)
Like I said in another thread, I monitor the edits pretty often, so if something were to go horribly wrong I could easily go back to an earlier version of a page.
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As I was perusing some cards, I noticed that under the "1 Samuel" cards, the cards labelled "Good Enhancements" are actually the evil characters from 1 Samuel. As much as I would love to fix this myself, I don't know which good enhancements come from 1 Samuel so I thought I would inform you of this.
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As I was perusing some cards, I noticed that under the "1 Samuel" cards, the cards labelled "Good Enhancements" are actually the evil characters from 1 Samuel. As much as I would love to fix this myself, I don't know which good enhancements come from 1 Samuel so I thought I would inform you of this.
I can fix that. (If lambo didn't already get to it.
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Stillness is not erratad on the wiki.
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I updated the I Samuel page with the GE's, but please feel free to add if I missed any.
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As I was perusing some cards, I noticed that under the "1 Samuel" cards, the cards labelled "Good Enhancements" are actually the evil characters from 1 Samuel. As much as I would love to fix this myself, I don't know which good enhancements come from 1 Samuel so I thought I would inform you of this.
Wow, not quite sure how that happened.
I went through and made sure it was correct.
Stillness is not erratad on the wiki.
Fixed.
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While trying to use the search feature, if I need to use the apostrophe, the search bar will not recognize that character, so it can't automatically direct me to the page I'm trying to get to. Is there a way to fix this at all, or is this an unfortunate necessity?
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While trying to use the search feature, if I need to use the apostrophe, the search bar will not recognize that character, so it can't automatically direct me to the page I'm trying to get to. Is there a way to fix this at all, or is this an unfortunate necessity?
When I was renaming card pages for consistency, I had to fix things like Psalms vs Psalm (Most cards use Psalm, so I went with that), Gray vs Grey (I used Gray), and ' vs ’ (I went with ’ as most of the cards used that).
Unfortunately, I realized after renaming every page that the keyboard defaults to '. I may go back and change them on one of my days off.
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Unfortunately, I realized after renaming every page that the keyboard defaults to '. I may go back and change them on one of my days off.
Yeah, I had problems with that when updating the I Samuel page. :P
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The image for King Saul (Ki) is the Hero card instead of the Evil Character card.
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Trust is not errata'd on the wiki.
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Fixed both of the above.
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Is Widow a Samaritan? If so, she is not listed under the good Samaritans. Also, it looks like someone modified her "Errata/Play as:" but didn't actually change it completely, they just put in parenthesis what it should be. I would change it, but I'm not exactly sure what her errata/play as is, so i don't want to do anything final to it myself.
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Is Widow a Samaritan? If so, she is not listed under the good Samaritans. Also, it looks like someone modified her "Errata/Play as:" but didn't actually change it completely, they just put in parenthesis what it should be. I would change it, but I'm not exactly sure what her errata/play as is, so i don't want to do anything final to it myself.
I assume you mean The Generous Widow, but no, neither Widow, nor The Generous Widow, is a Samaritan.
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No, I meant Widow. Her page on the wiki says she's a Samaritan, so I was confused.
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No, I meant Widow. Her page on the wiki says she's a Samaritan, so I was confused.
Good catch! That is definitely an error. To my knowledge Samaritan's didn't yet exist at that time in Israel's history.
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No, I meant Widow. Her page on the wiki says she's a Samaritan, so I was confused.
Good catch! That is definitely an error. To my knowledge Samaritan's didn't yet exist at that time in Israel's history.
Correct. I think she may have been a Samarian, but Samarians and Samaritans are not the same.
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Until I finish going through every identifier, use this as a rule of thumb:
If an Identifier is a blue link, I have verified it with the REG lists and it is accurate (so long as the REG is correct)
If an Identifiers is plain white text, take it with a grain of salt. I've seen some incorrect identifiers that were added in the original mass-production of cards. If you are unsure, check the lists in the glossary of Terms, those came directly from the REG and should be accurate.