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This will be the next ROOT tournament for the 2012-2013 Season. If you want to join, post here, and I will give you a matchup for next week.
Players have suggested many rule modifications in the past. This month there are 3 rule modification possibilities to choose between. The one that gets the most votes will be the one that we'll use for this month.
Winning Rule Modification - "Type 3" Rules - All decks follow T1 requirements with the exceptions that they must be exactly 60 cards with an equal number of good and evil cards. Winning requires rescuing 6 LSs.
Similar to last month, all posts made by Monday night/early Tuesday morning will be counted as official, unless it is contradicted by an opponent.
Week 5 (Final) Matchups:
tse vs. jmhartz
RTSmaniac vs. slug
ProfU vs. jbeers285
Thomas Hunter vs. Westok
_JM_ vs. cooldudejsw *
Wyatt vs. bye
*this is technically a rematch from earlier in the month, but both of these players have already had a bye, and they never actually played their earlier game. And since this game is at the bottom of the standings, it is better to repeat it, than to match them up with people ranked much higher.
Rankings after Final Week:
Player: VPs (Diff)
1. jmhartz (16/8)
2. RTSmaniac (13/7)
3. Prof Underwood (13/2)
4. theselfevident (12/7)
5. Thomas Hunter (11/1)
6. slugfencer (8/-9)
7. jbeers285 (6/1)
8. Wyatt_Marcum (6/-4)
9. Westok Kiok (6/-6)
10. _JM_ (4/3)
11. cooldudejsw (4/-2)
12. Strider (0/-5) *dropped
13. MKC (0/0) *dropped by PM
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C, though Double elim wouldn't be bad either.
And Best out of 3 would be nice.
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Ill play
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I'll play again. :)
What is the change with Gifts of the magi? And with the single elim tourney, would that be on the side of the normal tourney? Just wondering.
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When are we doing best of 3 with siding? This was suggested months ago, and still nothing has been done yet.
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I would just say I don't have a clue what siding is, I'm not opposed to best of 3 though
Also I know there were some extra things that needed to be nailed down before siding would work
I propose being able to use multiple generics in t-1 decks limited to 2
If had to vote from the 3 available I'd vote for t-3
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I vote C if it's Bo3.
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I'd vote C, but I'd prefer double elimination or best 2 out of 3 with sidebar.
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I would also vote C if it were best 2 of 3 (with siding preferably). Congratulations, everyone makes Top Cut! :)
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I'll play
I vote C if you include 2 outta 3 with sideboard
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Im in.
I vote:
B). Type 3
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Also I know there were some extra things that needed to be nailed down before siding would work
This is entirely correct. I won't be putting sideboarding as an option until we get a clearer picture nailed down regarding that. As far as I know there has been no movement on that thread in a while, and when we left off there was no consensus on how big the sideboard should even be.
If that thread ever gets to a more finalized form, I'll add it to the list of options. But for this month, the options are simply the 3 that are listed.
What is the change with Gifts of the magi? And with the single elim tourney, would that be on the side of the normal tourney?
The change with GotM is that BOTH players may draw extra cards when EITHER player plays a card to draw. And if we go with option C, then that will be the only tourney for Dec/Jan.
I propose being able to use multiple generics in t-1 decks limited to 2
Please propose that in the thread for future experiments.
I'd prefer double elimination
This will probably be an option for a future month.
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I don't really like any of the options then... I wouldn't play more than a game in single elim...
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I'm in. Single elimination (w/ a consolation pool with no rankings so people still get paired up for fun and continuance of participation but don't keep scores)
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I don't really like any of the options then... I wouldn't play more than a game in single elim...
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of single-elim either. But since it proposed I wanted to at least give it a shot. And I figured that people might not mind as much getting knocked out over the holiday season when it might be harder for them to get their games in anyway.
Personally I'll be happy to try either the GotM rule or the Type3 rule, so I hope they win the vote :)
I'm in. Single elimination (w/ a consolation pool with no rankings so people still get paired up for fun and continuance of participation but don't keep scores)
People are always welcome to play games for fun, but I doubt that I'll schedule games for eliminated participants. Again, it's the holiday seasons, and making extra work for myself probably isn't going to be my first choice.
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I would be willing to run a separate thread that creates pairings for the eliminated players if this is something people would want me to do?
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Honestly, I'm disinclined to play if those are the only options. Since single elimination has a clear lead, can we at least let people vote on single vs. double elimination?
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Since no one ever said siding as an option in ROOT was contingent upon that thread (and really it doesn't take rocket science to iron out the few details, most people can grasp the idea fairly easy), I've since bumped that thread to nail down the particulars. Maybe we can actually play some strategic games instead of lolcoinflipiwin sometime soon before Duke Nukem Forever 2 comes out?
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Also, I must point out that if both players had GotM out it would be a cyclical draw (if the rule mod. is enforced) causing players to draw until hand limits are met. Just saying.
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Since single elimination has a clear lead, can we at least let people vote on single vs. double elimination?
Actually eliminating all the votes for single-elimination on the condition of sideboarding (which isn't happening this month), there are really only 2 votes for it besides yourself Chris, and one of those is Westy who hasn't even said for sure that he's playing. So really the vote is still wide open. However, double-elimination isn't on the table for this month.
Votes so far:
GotM -
T3 - jbeers285, MKC, Westok, JMHartz, RTSmaniac, Strider
Single - tse
Since no one ever said siding as an option in ROOT was contingent upon that thread
I felt like that thread was the best thread I've seen so far at ironing out the details, and I was following it with high hopes for a solid ruleset to experiment with. I know I didn't announce it, but I guess the cat's out of the bag now :)
Also, I must point out that if both players had GotM out it would be a cyclical draw (if the rule mod. is enforced) causing players to draw until hand limits are met. Just saying.
Actually I don't think so. GotM (the card) lets you draw based on your opponent's characters or enhancements letting them draw. So if you drew cards due to your character's SA, then my GotM card would let me draw, AND the gamerule modification would let me draw as well. However I would be drawing due to an artifact and gamerule, so neither of those would activate your GotM card.
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This is stupid. It's hard to support a tournament that makes false attempts to give the people formats they desire. Let us sideboard. Until you start listening or do another non rule change month I'm sitting out.
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If there won't be a best 2 of 3 then I'll go with the second choice. Balanced decks means more grind gaming and actual back and forth battles, and less of a chance of speed decks exploding within the first few turns. I'm very curious to see what kind of meta this kind of rule change would produce, which I predict will be for the better.
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This is stupid. It's hard to support a tournament that makes false attempts to give the people formats they desire. Let us sideboard. Until you start listening or do another non rule change month I'm sitting out.
I get it that you and many others really want to try sideboarding, and there will come a chance for that. But your attitude here is really not worthy of the progress that you have made here on the boards Red.
All 3 of the choices for this month have been suggested by members of this forum, and just because you don't like them doesn't mean that this is a "false" attempt to give people a chance to try different experiments. I don't even like all 3 of these options myself, but I'm putting them out there anyway because I want to be fair to people, and because this particular time of year seemed like a good time for it.
I'm running this tournament on a completely voluntary basis, and giving my time to try to make things fun and fair for everyone. I know that there are a lot of people interested in the sideboard idea, and so I'm purposefully saving that one for a couple months from now when it will be more ironed out, and the time of year should also be more available to larger numbers of people to play than the holidays. So if you want to have a "take my ball and go home" attitude, that is your choice, but don't expect sympathy from me.
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I expect no sympathy. I just am making a choice and might have possibly used strong wordage. I apologize for any offense. However, I won't play under any of these rules but I do wish luck to those who do.
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I apologize for any offense.
Gladly forgiven. We'll miss you this month, and look forward to your return.
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Best 2 out of 3 has overwhelming support, even if it isn't on the list. Why not let it happen?
Personally, I don't care if we have sideboard or not, but I strongly dislike the first two rules and single elimination is too gimmicky without best 2 of 3. Double elim is better, but again, if you're restricting it to only those 3 options, I frankly don't like any of them, and will be joining Red.
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All 3 of the choices for this month have been suggested by members of this forum, and just because you don't like them doesn't mean that this is a "false" attempt to give people a chance to try different experiments.
When nearly everyone (if not everyone) is voting for an option that isn't even available, and you're choosing to ignore them, I would argue that that is not giving a real choice. This is especially true when you notice that the Gifts of the Magi rule is proposed nearly every month (I'm not sure if it's been every month, but I know it was on the list every time when I was part of the leadership), despite the fact that nearly every member of the community doesn't like it. We can iron out the details for sideboard within the next week, then let people vote on the specifics.
I will not be playing this month unless we get best 2 out of 3 (preferably with sideboard).
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I know I am still very new to the community and to root but I would just like to say I have really enjoyed my root experience and am happy to play whatever rules we decide to go with
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I know I am still very new to the community and to root but I would just like to say I have really enjoyed my root experience and am happy to play whatever rules we decide to go with
If I could +1 that I would. I have no real issue with Underwood or anyone else, but I disagree strongly enough on this topic to withdraw out of protest.
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I've enjoyed ROOT, but I'd rather play pick-up games with the same people and not have the weird rules.
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I would love to build a deck and 15 card side board for a best of 3 with some one if they are interested; granted I need to build the deck first.
Also to deal with side deck changes I would say after game one you would need to pm your deck as is to opponent and then after game 2 pm your side board list to eliminate cheating just a thought
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I know I am still very new to the community and to root but I would just like to say I have really enjoyed my root experience and am happy to play whatever rules we decide to go with
Thanks for the support and flexibility. I hope you continue to enjoy your experience.
And I'm not ignoring people's desire for a sideboard at all. I'm just saving that idea for a couple months from now when it's not a holiday time. If people want to protest waiting for a couple months by dropping out entirely, that is their choice of course. But I hope they'll reconsider.
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I am grateful to be a part of this. I don't have people to play with (besides siblings), and appreciate any chance to play. I am fine with pretty much anything, but will vote for T-3 to play more than one game... ;)
,Weston.
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I vote for option 3 because it doesn't radically shift the rules of Redemption. I greatly would prefer 2/3 (with a sideboard). I will not play if any option without a 2/3 rule is chosen. I think it's pretty clear what the majority wants. This is the exact same situation that happened in the first ROOT this tournament season. No one like the rule, everyone says that, no changes are made, and there is low participation.
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I am grateful to be a part of this.
Thanks for your support and flexibility as well.
I will not play if any option without a 2/3 rule is chosen.
We'll miss you this time around, and look forward to your return when the sideboard option gets ironed out for a future ROOT.
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Thanks Prof. U. for all your hard work. I'm excited to play in this next tourney whatever the rules.
The boards need to stop being so negative. Seriously...
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I don't like the rules presented and believe they would be detrimential to the game. I said my piece.
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Don't get me wrong, I love ROOT and love Redemption. However, I will find it less enjoyable with these rules, and therefore choose to play the ordinary way. I'm up for experimenting, but I just don't see these being practical in the big scheme of things*, nor very fun, so why bother?
*Single elim is not happening, unless it's with top cut, and ... ROOT is small enough we could just treat it like the top cut (because so many great players do ROOT), but that still only really works with Double Elim.
Type 3 is a whole new type.
The Gifts ruling is going to completely shift the meta to create a slower game.
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I am disappointed by the availability of option C. I've heard it preached more than anything that ROOT is about fun, fellowship, and most of all participation. A single elimination tourney means one game for half of the participants.
I know my situation is unique, but I have no play group; if I don't play games online, I don't play at all. It is so hard to find games that aren't "scheduled" (i.e. ROOT); there are so few pick-up games being played right now.
My vote is for option B. I am excited about T3.
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I have no play group; if I don't play games online, I don't play at all. It is so hard to find games that aren't "scheduled" (i.e. ROOT); there are so few pick-up games being played right now.
This is me too. I am willing to play with any rules because I want play.
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I know my situation is unique, but I have no play group; if I don't play games online, I don't play at all. It is so hard to find games that aren't "scheduled" (i.e. ROOT); there are so few pick-up games being played right now.
This is also me, and its nice to see people having positive attitudes about playing games and trying things out.
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OK, I went through and took out some stuff from both sides. I think it's best for us to just move on at this point. People who want to play with one of the 3 options listed, feel free to sign up and vote for one. People who don't choose to play with any of those options, have a happy holidays and we'll look forward to playing again with you in 2013.
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OK, I went through and took out some stuff from both sides. I think it's best for us to just move on at this point. People who want to play with one of the 3 options listed, feel free to sign up and vote for one. People who don't choose to play with any of those options, have a happy holidays and we'll look forward to playing again with you in 2013.
+1
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I changed my vote to B) Type 3
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I'll play. Just got this set up. I'd vote (B)
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Are we starting to lean towards type 3 for root this time?
If so I suggest slightly lengthening the time limit.
Also in t3 can you have multiple generics? Like 2 of any particular generic?
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In building a T-3 deck, what counts as good? I understand Characters, enhancements, covenants etc. How about Lamb icon Doms or certain fortresses? Can anyone clear that up for me?
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In building a T-3 deck, what counts as good? I understand Characters, enhancements, covenants etc. How about Lamb icon Doms or certain fortresses? Can anyone clear that up for me?
There are good and evil fortresses that count (you can tell a fortress by the shading behind the fortress icon) for instance storehouse counts as a good card even then it benefits the dreaming pharaoh
Artifacts, Lost souls and good/evil enhancements count as neutral
Dom's count as good and evil as well
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Thank you. That was what I was thinking, but figured I should make sure.
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if you get a deck built id be all for letting you play test with me before root begins lol
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If Mitch isn't available for tonight's root game, I'd like that. :)
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By the way, I will play.
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Are we starting to lean towards type 3 for root this time?
Actually Type 3 has a big lead right now in the voting.
Votes so far:
GotM -
T3 - jbeers285, MKC, Westok, JMHartz, RTSmaniac, Strider, _JM_, Thomas Hunter
Single - tse
By the way, I will play.
Welcome aboard. I think I've got the opening post updated with everyone playing at this point.
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I'll play, and throw another vote onto T3.
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When does this tournament start? Next week?
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I'll join. I'm actually less busy right now than the last couple months (go fig ::))
My vote is for t3.
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When does this tournament start? Next week?
You guess correctly. We'll start it next week.
I'll join. I'm actually less busy right now than the last couple months (go fig ::))
My vote is for t3.
Welcome aboard :)
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New Rankings and
Match-Ups for
Week 1 Posted!
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are we allowed to have multiple generics or are we just specifically sticking to this one rule of T3?
Winning Rule Modification - "Type 3" Rules - All decks follow T1 requirements with the exceptions that they must be exactly 60 cards with an equal number of good and evil cards. Winning requires rescuing 6 LSs.
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Do the people matched up against each other get to decide on a time or if they are both on? Or is it scheduled for us the time of the tournament...Either way i will join...Putting a deck together now... Lost souls, Sites, and Artifacts are neutral, Hero's and Good enhancements, good fortresses, and covenants, and good dominants count as good, and the opposite count as evil correct?
Thanks and let me know when i get my first match =D
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are we allowed to have multiple generics or are we just specifically sticking to this one rule of T3?
Winning Rule Modification - "Type 3" Rules - All decks follow T1 requirements with the exceptions that they must be exactly 60 cards with an equal number of good and evil cards. Winning requires rescuing 6 LSs.
We are NOT allowing multiple generics this month, although that has been added to the list of ideas for future months.
Do the people matched up against each other get to decide on a time or if they are both on? Or is it scheduled for us the time of the tournament...Either way i will join...Putting a deck together now... Lost souls, Sites, and Artifacts are neutral, Hero's and Good enhancements, good fortresses, and covenants, and good dominants count as good, and the opposite count as evil correct?
Thanks and let me know when i get my first match =D
I added you to the list, and will give you a game next week. You and your opponent arrange to play whenever works for both of you. And you are correct regarding good/evil alignment of card types. Welcome aboard :)
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Tyvm =D Great to be here =D
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jmhartz=4
me=2
GG :)
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jmhartz=4
me=2
GG :)
Confirm. Actual battles with enhancements played by both Heroes and ECs were a breath of fresh air.
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jmhartz=4
me=2
GG :)
Confirm. Actual battles with enhancements played by both Heroes and ECs were a breath of fresh air.
Gotta say I'm liking t3 for the same reason
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I think that T-3 evens decks out a little more. Myine don't seem as pathetic. :P .
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I keep forgetting its a race to 6. :)
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Sorry guys, and sorry rtsmaniac,
I think I'll be too busy this month to get in my games. Sorry. Maybe I'll catch you in a later month. :'(
God bless, Scott.
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In T3 is Saul/Paul considered evil or neutral?
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Evil for deck building
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Wow I am glad you guys are considering trying out Type 3, hope it works out well. Let me know what you guys think? We are still testing the rules in unofficial categories this year.
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So far I keep forgetting that the score is to six. Seems like games would time out more. Alot more battle interaction.
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So far I keep forgetting that the score is to six. Seems like games would time out more. Alot more battle interaction.
That's y I vote t3 has a slightly extended game time if it gets put into practice
westok and i couldnt hamachi to connect with each other not sure what the issue is neither of us can host the games
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Yeah, both of us have been depending on others to host so far. Neither of us seem to be able to. Tried to connect today... :-\
Will try to figure that out .
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New Rankings and
Match-Ups for
Week 2 Posted!
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I believe my opponent from week 1 is giving me ghost points
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I believe my opponent from week 1 is giving me ghost points
I needed to know that either through this thread or PM by last night as described in the opening post of this thread:
Similar to last month, all posts made by Monday night/early Tuesday morning will be counted as official, unless it is contradicted by an opponent.
I feel badly for you losing the points, but I remember a long time ago when ghosting was a real problem. We had to set firm guidelines to keep things running smoothly. The good news is that after this week there will only be 1 undefeated person so things are wide open this month for comebacks :)
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I beat jmhartz 6-4.
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I lost 6-4. Another very good game.
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Can I join in the Tournement? I have a deck readyy.
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Can I join in the Tournement? I have a deck readyy.
Yep, I'll add you in for next week's games. Welcome aboard :)
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I won 6-2 against W.K. Thanks for the game!
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I won 6-2 against W.K. Thanks for the game!
TSE beat me 6-2. Glad we fit it in. ;D .
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New Rankings and
Match-Ups for
Week 3 Posted!
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I lost 6/0
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Confirm sry man just a great draw 4 me
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It was a great game man. Thanks for playin me.
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I won 6-4 vs. Thomas... What an EPIC game!!!
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I won 6-4 vs. Thomas... What an EPIC game!!!
Confirm. Well fought out.
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ProfU=6
me=0
GG :)
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Seems to me that lots of people are liking t3
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ProfU=6
me=0
GG :)
Confirmed. And despite the lopsided score, this was actually a very fun game as well. Slug played everything wisely, despite a lot of bad breaks that all seemed to go my way.
Seems to me that lots of people are liking t3
I have noticed this as well.
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5-6 loss me.
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Defeated RTSmaniac 6-5 in an epic game. A late game gamble paid off for me in a huge way.
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New Rankings and
Match-Ups for
Week 4 Posted!
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Since the matchups weren't posted until this evening, and with Christmas and New Year's, I vote that we get until the end of next week to complete the week 4 games. Missing one game while having two holidays in back-to-back weeks seems reasonable.
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Since the matchups weren't posted until this evening, and with Christmas and New Year's, I vote that we get until the end of next week to complete the week 4 games. Missing one game while having two holidays in back-to-back weeks seems reasonable.
I agree. I'll give everyone until Sunday Jan 5th at midnight to get the week 4 games in. Of course, if everyone gets their games in by the normal time, we could go ahead and start week 5 (final week). So we'll just play that by ear.
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TSE demolished me 6-0. Murphy's Law in full effect :)
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TSE demolished me 6-0. Murphy's Law in full effect :)
Although this was a bit of a drubbing, there were a lot of good battles that were had. Great game. Thanks.
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I lost agian. 5-6. he used a plot. great game.
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I confirm the win against Wyatt.. 6-5 me. Thanks to help from a lot of guys, my deck actually seemed to work. Used a plot.
The card that won me the game was 'Might of Angels'. Wiped out like his whole D.
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Thomas Hunter ghosted me.
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Thomas Hunter ghosted me.
Actually, with the holiday, I had previously decided to give some extra time this week. Hopefully you guys will be able to get your game in before this Sun midnight :)
I'll give everyone until Sunday Jan 5th at midnight to get the week 4 games in.
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Is this the last week?
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Is this the last week?
Nope, we'll have one more week after this one.
Then after that (for the Jan/Feb ROOT) we'll be having Sideboards :)
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I hope people can finish early then. I wont be able to do the last week otherwise.
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I hope people can finish early then. I wont be able to do the last week otherwise.
We'll just have to hope these guys play soon then :)
Thomas Hunter vs. RTSmaniac
cooldudejsw vs. slug
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ok.
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I won 6-2. I ripped a Plot.
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I won 6-2. I ripped a Plot.
Confirm good game
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Thomas Hunter ghosted me.
Actually, with the holiday, I had previously decided to give some extra time this week. Hopefully you guys will be able to get your game in before this Sun midnight :)
I'll give everyone until Sunday Jan 5th at midnight to get the week 4 games in.
He told me he was going to play Mon. after 10 pm and I waited on him but he never showed.
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He told me he was going to play Mon. after 10 pm and I waited on him but he never showed.
In that case, if you don't play him by Sun midnight, then you will get the ghost points. However if you can try again and play him before then we might be able to start the last round early so Wyatt can get his game in :)
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RTSmaniac beat me 6-5. He ripped a plot. Well played, very close game.
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confirm. Yea thought I was going to lose this one...soul drought prevails once again.
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New Rankings and
Match-Ups for
Final Week Posted!
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Phenomenal game with Prof Underwood resulted in a 6-5 loss for me.
Perhaps the best T-3 game I was involved in!
I needed one more block because I had eliminated his defense and almost locked him out due to removing Isaiah's call from the game.
Wheel within a Wheel turned out to be the difference maker in the game granting prof access for the last rescue.
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Phenomenal game with Prof Underwood resulted in a 6-5 loss for me.
Completely agree with it being an awesome game!
For future reference, try not to reveal cards or strategies from your opponent's decks in your recaps. It doesn't really matter in this case since it's the last game of the tournament, and I'm not really secretive about my decks anyway, but other people could get upset, so just keep it in mind :)
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Thanks for the reminder I figured it would be ok since this was the last week but you are right about not revealing strategies!
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I beat Westok 6-3.
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I beat Westok 6-3.
This is correct. He outlasted me.
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My apologies to my opponent, but I must give him ghost points.
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RTSmaniac=6
me=2
GG :)
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confirm- ABOMB mirror. What an interesting match-up.
I tried to not use my force draws and grind this game out.
I never saw my Gifts which included The Magi just to pull it out sooner because the deck is so much better with it out.
I got good blocks and saw Goliath do his standalone thing, where the opponent said no to new attacks prob 3 times.
I converted my opponents Goliath and Grey/Black Greek with Woman at the Well + Grail.
I used WaterJar for 9.
I was really behind on this one the whole game. Even when I got Hur'd with Abomb on my side to gain some cards, I was quickly Mayhem'd to counter even the smallest gain.
I really tried to keep the late game in my mind, knowing it would occur. One of the hardest dicisions I had to make was choosing what to discard in my 5 card hand from slugs GenerousWidow.
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confirm- ABOMB mirror. What an interesting match-up.
I tried to not use my force draws and grind this game out.
I never saw my Gifts which included The Magi just to pull it out sooner because the deck is so much better with it out.
I got good blocks and saw Goliath do his standalone thing, where the opponent said no to new attacks prob 3 times.
I converted my opponents Goliath and Grey/Black Greek with Woman at the Well + Grail.
I used WaterJar for 9.
I was really behind on this one the whole game. Even when I got Hur'd with Abomb on my side to gain some cards, I was quickly Mayhem'd to counter even the smallest gain.
I really tried to keep the late game in my mind, knowing it would occur. One of the hardest dicisions I had to make was choosing what to discard in my 5 card hand from slugs GenerousWidow.
Yes, 'twas most fun.
Clift's turn 1 SWJ and later the woman at the well fished out my EC's nicely to setup easy converts. His Philly defense was excellent at always having some1 to block with PO. Golly is a big beast to small gold heroes without enhancements.
My main happy point was when I resolved the abomb and it actually stayed a few turns. Unable to do that in my previous games with opponents, also resulting in losses. Pretty sad when your deck is built around 1 main card and you fail to resolve it. :P
Gen widow is just fun. :)
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Final Rankings Posted!