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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Redemption® Market => Topic started by: Ken4Christ4ever on July 11, 2011, 04:49:55 PM
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Gabe's post about an HD RTS background (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/rtsonline-play/hd-rts-background/) spawned discussion of playmats, and others have asked me about them in the past. If I were to get them printed, would you want to buy one? It looks like we would have to charge $25-30 each plus shipping, and I would have to have a decent number of people that definitely want one if I'm going to get them printed. Right now the only place I've found that is willing to print a custom image on them has a minimum of 250 playmats!
I would be hoping to get them in time for Nationals if we do it, so you could save shipping costs if you're going by picking it up there.
Let me know the probability that you would buy one in that price range!
Thanks,
Ken
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I can get them for 8 bucks each at that quantity. Plus shipping of course
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I would suggest talking to Uthminister. He has already gotten the rights to a couple REALLY cool pieces of Redemption artwork (Mayhem and Grapes of Wrath), and already set them up for playmat printing. Perhaps you two could work together on this project.
I saw one of his prototypes at MW Regional and it was SWEET!
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Regarding the playmats, I would be paying about $8 each plus shipping for them, but that is $2,000 for 250 playmats. Considering that I won't sell anywhere near that many, I need to try to break even within a fairly reasonable amount of time to make it worthwhile. Even at $25 each, I would need to sell at least 80, and I really doubt that I will have that much interest. My hope was to have 50-100 of them made so that the break-even point was more realistic than that...
Mark, I will talk to him, as well. :)
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I would think that $25-30 would be a little high for me. I might wait until someone decides to quit and offers it on the market here.
Not that I'm not interested, I just don't have that much money to buy stuff with.
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i would buy one if it had good artwork on it. read: eternal/cahaba studios artwork.
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Are play mats like a screen printed cloth? What are they made of?
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They are a flexible rubbery material apparently. I haven't seen one in-person.
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I generally don't play sitting on the ground, but perhaps that is only me. sounds like they would be visually appealing though
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I am highly interested in at least 4, but I did semi-commit to Uthminister first. I would feel much better about purchasing it if he was involved. Also, like I told Travis, I like a lot of the angels from the comic book series (eternal studios I think).
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They could be used on tables, too...
I PM'ed Travis and will be seeing what he's working on. The more people that I can find who are interested in purchasing them, the better the price will be so that I can be close to breaking even. If he has another source for getting them, that's even better!
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In my opinion, weather a play mat sells or not is based on the art and the layout. Travis has some great designs and he also does california and traditional format 250 playmats might sell if they had a variety of designs.
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250 playmats might sell if they had a variety of designs.
I definitely agree with this! The problem is they require 250 minimum per design layout. :-\
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(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi233.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fee268%2Futhminister%2FPlaymat%2520layouts%2FRedemptionPlayMatversion8.jpg&hash=d3df400c2cd644b9380f3b27bf85d787b3457873)
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I'm not a fan of the two levels of the art.
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The playmat is beautiful but I don't care for the California Style layout so I'd never use one.
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Im not a big fan of the format on the playmat but id buy one if it was a little cheaper and had different art.
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I'd buy one-though I don't use California style either. We do stuff differently in Texas ;D
Ken, if you could post what designs you had in mind-that might sway some folks. It is always easier to sell something if you know what you are getting. Shoot,if you and the Uthminister combine forces on this-it would be a joy to see what y'all can come up with.
They can be bought as Christmas gifts as well.
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i would like to see a playmat with the c/d deck angel of the lord artwork. king of tyrus would also be pretty awesome.
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I like the playmats. I had never seen them before, until the guys from South Florida Redemption starting bringing theirs. For those who have never seen them, they tend to be almost an inch thick of soft neoprene material. They keep your cards from direct contact with the table, and make it easier to pick cards up, since you can press into the mat to get under the card and get a grip. I know that, for me, picking up cards from a hard table can be difficult. Often times, I have to slide the card to the end of the table to get it off.
I have seen generic versions of the playmat for $10 in gaming stores, so the price point will be an issue for me. I always try to support Christian businesses, even if it means paying more. However, paying double is stretching it.
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I am interested but I also do not use the California layout, I use the same layout as defined in the Rulebook. I think it would be a great idea to make sure you get the most popular format, whichever it is. Other wise these may not sell well. Looove the idea though :)
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I have also done playmats using the Gates of Hell artwork and another one with the Throne of Heaven (not a redemption card) artwork. I agree that if we can do a single piece of art instead of two split down the middle it will be much better. I have had a hard time gettng ahold of cahaba/eternal studios in order to buy the rights for their art but I agree they are very cool looking. I have come to the conclusion from the thread I had about playmat layouts that we will have a hard time printing a mat with a layout everyone will agree upon. I think that we need to print whatever graphic we choose with a place for won lost souls only (probably only up to 5 since I don't really see type-2 being squeezed onto one of these mats).
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cant you use cahaba/eternal studios artwork if you get premission from cactus since it is artwork used for redemption?
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cant you use cahaba/eternal studios artwork if you get premission from cactus since it is artwork used for redemption?
Cactus probably only has the rights to the art for the expressed purpose of using them on Redemption cards. Otherwise, I think we'd see some Cahaba art on promotion items.
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I really like the art on the Guardian of your souls card, id buy a few mats for my playgroup if the price was right and they had different art
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Cactus probably only has the rights to the art for the expressed purpose of using them on Redemption cards. Otherwise, I think we'd see some Cahaba art on promotion items.
what promotion items does cactus have in the first place? ???
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Cactus probably only has the rights to the art for the expressed purpose of using them on Redemption cards. Otherwise, I think we'd see some Cahaba art on promotion items.
what promotion items does cactus have in the first place? ???
I was thinking of some of the Michael signs that are out there, and the fact that anything redemption produces almost exclusively has the flaming sword and nothing else. I assumed that was because Redemption doesn't own any really super great art.
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what promotion items does cactus have in the first place? ???
Posters! I have about 50 if you would like some.... ;D
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I have seen generic versions of the playmat for $10 in gaming stores, so the price point will be an issue for me. I always try to support Christian businesses, even if it means paying more. However, paying double is stretching it.
most mtg and yugioh mats retail in the $15-25 range, with limited edition ones (such as mats awarded to tournament attendees/winners) reaching into the hundreds. $20-30 for a redemption mat is actually very reasonable.
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I have also done playmats using the Gates of Hell artwork and another one with the Throne of Heaven (not a redemption card) artwork. I agree that if we can do a single piece of art instead of two split down the middle it will be much better. I have had a hard time gettng ahold of cahaba/eternal studios in order to buy the rights for their art but I agree they are very cool looking. I have come to the conclusion from the thread I had about playmat layouts that we will have a hard time printing a mat with a layout everyone will agree upon. I think that we need to print whatever graphic we choose with a place for won lost souls only (probably only up to 5 since I don't really see type-2 being squeezed onto one of these mats).
To continue with this line of thought....
I don't mind adjusting my style if it makes sense. To me, Fortresses and set asides often go hand in hand, which is why the Fortresses and Land of bondage should be reversed on the current playmat (see RTSManiac's picture on page 1). California style works best if both players are using the mat because you run out of room on the table for other styles to have a "battle" area. If the mat is just used for territory organization and it will be a little bit more loose in design (read: not all outlines will be printed), then I think the following items need to be printed on the mat somewhere:
Deck Pile
Discard Pile
Land of Bondage
Land of Redemption
The rest of Redemption's piles are pretty easily distinguishable (unless there are conversions).
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why not just use the official layout demonstrated in the rulebook?
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I would assume that room on the playmat makes the battle area awkwardly small? Personally, I'm not against the rulebook one. I'm relatively flexible with the idea.
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well not only do i think the majority of players either use the one in the rulebook or a slightly altered version of it, but i think it will be greatly beneficial to newer players as well, especially on something so mass produced.
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That is what im saying have different ones available one for beginners that is taken from the rule book and others with artwork and different styles
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why not just use the official layout demonstrated in the rulebook?
You can, it is just that particular design uses the california version. The battles are to talk place off of the playmat anyway. This is only for holding and organizing your territory
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Thanks for all the comments, suggestions, and interest so far! Please continue to let me/us know your thoughts as we work on coming up with something that makes sense for everyone. :)
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why not just use the official layout demonstrated in the rulebook?
You can, it is just that particular design uses the california version. The battles are to talk place off of the playmat anyway. This is only for holding and organizing your territory
i have several other ccg mats and have used them for redemption purposes. the standard mat is pretty big, and i never found myself requiring extra space to push a character into battle.
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why not just use the official layout demonstrated in the rulebook?
I agree, if there is going to be a standard layout printed on the playmat then it should be the official layout from the rulebook. Another option is the simply print an awesome collage of Redemption art on the mat. You could still put GoYS in one of the top corners to represent a Land of Redemption. But without a designated area on the mat players would still have the freedom to choose the layout if they wanted.
As for fitting everything on the mat, the standard size does not have enough room. It's 14 inches tall. Redemption cards are 3.5 inches tall without sleeves. That leaves enough room for a row of Heroes, a row of ECs and a row of LS. The field of battle would be off the playmat.
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most mtg and yugioh mats retail in the $15-25 range, with limited edition ones (such as mats awarded to tournament attendees/winners) reaching into the hundreds. $20-30 for a redemption mat is actually very reasonable.
I was talking about single-color unprinted ones, which I would be quite content with for half the price.
I agree, if there is going to be a standard layout printed on the playmat then it should be the official layout from the rulebook. Another option is the simply print an awesome collage of Redemption art on the mat. You could still put GoYS in one of the top corners to represent a Land of Redemption. But without a designated area on the mat players would still have the freedom to choose the layout if they wanted.
I fully support both of Gabe's points quoted above. I certainly vote in favor of freedom to choose card layout, but if a layout is preferred, I think the rulebook version would be the better choice.
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I was talking about single-color unprinted ones, which I would be quite content with for half the price.
so...what would be the point of a 'generic' redemption playmat then...?
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I was talking about single-color unprinted ones, which I would be quite content with for half the price.
so...what would be the point of a 'generic' redemption playmat then...?
I think what he is saying is that he doesn't want to pay significantly more to slap a Grapes of Wrath and Mayhem on his playmat.
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right, but i thought that was the entire point of the thread, that it does cost extra to slap some redemption artwork on a playmat and the demand for such a mat...
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I think what he is saying is that he doesn't want to pay significantly more to slap a Grapes of Wrath and Mayhem on his playmat.
Exactly. I can buy a week's worth of meals for my family for the extra $15, and still have my cards comfortably sitting on a fluffy playmat. ;D
right, but i thought that was the entire point of the thread, that it does cost extra to slap some redemption artwork on a playmat and the demand for such a mat...
He was looking for feedback. My feedback as a cash-strapped father is that if I am just looking for a playmat to put my cards on, then a generic one for $10 is more economical than a $25 aesthetically-appealing one.
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He was looking for feedback. My feedback as a cash-strapped father is that if I am just looking for a playmat to put my cards on, then a generic one for $10 is more economical than a $25 aesthetically-appealing one.
Yep! And your feedback is definitely appreciated. :)
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I can buy a week's worth of meals for my family for the extra $15
Wow, you can buy a week's worth of meals for a family of 5 with only $15. You've got to share your secrets with us other cash-strapped fathers :)
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I can buy a week's worth of meals for my family for the extra $15
Wow, you can buy a week's worth of meals for a family of 5 with only $15. You've got to share your secrets with us other cash-strapped fathers :)
Ramen Noodles (add chopped up hamburger or chicken for variety)
Tacos (use tortilla chips instead of taco shells for variety)
PB&J
Spaghettios (Buy large can with meatballs and one without, then mix them)
Chicken & Rice casserole (or soup if it's not too hot out)
Tuna Fish
Macaroni & Cheese
Macaroni & meat sauce (use small shells or other pasta types for variety)
Hot Dogs & Hamburgers on the grill
Those meals individually cost only a couple dollars.
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Hey Mark,
It's called sandwiches, Ramen Noodles, and Mac & cheese. ;)
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Depending on how large the playmats are, I would be interested if it was >$15. If they can fit 12-15 characters of the same alignment, that'd be fantastic. (I play T2, and really unbalanced decks...)
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Hey Mark,
It's called sandwiches, Ramen Noodles, and Mac & cheese. ;)
Ramen noodles are epic. I could eat them every day, at just 15 cents per meal.
Of course my wife grumbles about protein and other weird health words, but you can't beat the shear enjoyment of eating Ramen noodles.
Depending on how large the playmats are, I would be interested if it was >$15.
If I had the $10 available for generic playmats, then I would pay the extra $5 for a cool Redemption one. I would just eat more Ramen noodles that week.
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Black Beans and Rice are cheap and somewhat healthy. If only they tasted as good as ramen noodles ;.;
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I just had ramen noodles for lunch haha, but i would pay 15- 20 for a quality playmat.
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After eating nothing but Ramen and PBnJ for the entirety of NJ states, I'm inclined to eat a little healthier before a playmat.
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OK, to feed for a week on $15, each meal would have to cost about $0.67 (since there are 21 meals in a week). So let's do the math (since you are a math teacher) :)
Ramen Noodles (add chopped up hamburger or chicken for variety)
OK, I'll give you that you could fill up a family of 5 on Ramen Noodles for $1 (2 packages per person @ $0.10 each). However, I'm just too concerned about the MSG content to eat them on a regular basis.
PB&J
To fill up on PB&J would take 2 sandwiches each assuming no other foods were served. For a family of 5, that would be 10 slices of bread (2/3 of a loaf @ $1.50 per Wal-Mart generic loaf = $1), it would be probably another $0.50 worth of jelly and another $0.50 worth of peanut butter (maybe more). The minimum on this meal's gotta be $2.
Tacos (use tortilla chips instead of taco shells for variety)
Spaghettios (Buy large can with meatballs and one without, then mix them)
Chicken & Rice casserole (or soup if it's not too hot out)
Tuna Fish
Macaroni & Cheese
Macaroni & meat sauce (use small shells or other pasta types for variety)
Hot Dogs & Hamburgers on the grill
These would all be more expensive than Ramen or PB&J. And those were already over our limit of $0.67/meal. I don't think this is possible. I've always prided myself on my ability to eat cheaply. We consistently have cereal breakfast, PB&J lunch, and dinners including spaghetti night, chili night, baked potato night. But $15 just seemed incredibly low. I see now that you were exaggerating to make a point. But I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't missing out on something even more frugal than what I already do :)
P.S. My plan for Nats is to take a box of cereal ($1) and eat that dry for breakfast/lunch/snacks over the course of all 3 days. I also plan on having a 2-liter of Mt.Dew ($1) for the trip there, which I keep refilling with water to drink during the tournaments. Then I'll probably splurge and eat 3 McChickens ($3) for supper every night. That'll make my food budget a total of $20.
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Mark, if I make it to Nats then I will buy you a meal. I think you deserve a good splurged meal of more than $3. :)
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OK, to feed for a week on $15, each meal would have to cost about $0.67 (since there are 21 meals in a week). So let's do the math (since you are a math teacher) :)
Some of us on tighter budgets do not eat three meals a day, especially during the summer. Sleep in and eat brunch as the first meal. ;)
OK, I'll give you that you could fill up a family of 5 on Ramen Noodles for $1 (2 packages per person @ $0.10 each).
To fill up on PB&J would take 2 sandwiches each assuming no other foods were served.
These two statements are out of context for my family. We all fill up just fine on one package of Ramen or one sandwich. In fact, one package of Ramen feeds both my wife and daughter. We eat much smaller portions than you are assuming. Fifty cents worth of penaut butter or jelly...... I don't think so. We just spread it, we don't gob it. ;)
For a family of 5,...
Just to clarify, Gabriel is five months old, so he does not eat any of the meals I listed. Miriam is only four years old and has a very picky appetite. My wife seems to eat hardly anything, no matter what you put in front of her. Joshua is almost six-feet tall already, but at 13 he still manages to get by with normal portions. I'm the fatty, but I'm trying to cut back as much as I can.
These would all be more expensive than Ramen or PB&J.
Wal-mart frozen chicken costs $7 for a bag. We portion that out to eight meals. Hamburger in bulk costs $8. We also portion that out, but usually to ten meals. Just a little bit of hamburger or chicken is enough to make a meal special. ;D
Although this may total more than 67 cents, we can come pretty close with all the meals I listed, so it is not as much of an exaggeration as you are suggesting. Especially since Ramen costs even less for my family, which helps offset the cost of the other meals.
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I know I'm a single college kid, but I bet if I really needed to, I could probably spend >5 dollars on my food for a week, and probably less. Water is free (kind of), so if you just drink water, then you don't have a cost for drinks, and like YMT has pointed out, a single serving of most things is enough to survive fairly well. If anything, it will help some people lose weight ;D. I might not love it, but I think it's definately doable to feed a family of five (well, 4) on 15 dollars.
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For the next 7 days, I shall only spend $3 on food to prove that it's possible. Furthermore, the diet shall be healthy!
Day 1:
Breakfast: Generic-Oat-Granola Bar, $0.18, water
Lunch: Half a bag of Generic prewashed-ready-to-eat-bagged-salad with cracked pepper, water, $0.60
Dinner: Went out with friends to Chinese, $9.54 + tip
So far I'm doing pretty well. I'm only $7 over and the first two meals weren't unhealthy, at least. I'll make up over spending by reducing spending to $1 a week over the next 3.5 weeks
Day 2
Breakfast: Can't afford it
Lunch: Nope
Dinner: No
Day 3:
Breakfast: Nty
Lunch: Please send help
Dinner: I'm hungry
Day 4:
Breakfast: Why did I do this
Lunch: This was a bad idea
Dinner: I just stole 245 pudding cups from the cafeteria. Do not ask how I got them out.
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Mark, if I make it to Nats then I will buy you a meal. I think you deserve a good splurged meal of more than $3. :)
I appreciate your generosity, but I would feel a bit awkward. It wouldn't seem fair for you to have to pay for my meal, as I actually COULD spend more money no my food, but just choose not too. And besides you are supporting a large family on a ministry salary the same as I am. However, I would love to join you for a meal together, so maybe we could work something out :)
I know I'm a single college kid, but I bet if I really needed to, I could probably spend >5 dollars on my food for a week, and probably less.
I could survive for a week for free, as it is possible to go for a week without food and I could drink water for free. The problem is sustainability. For people to be healthy, they need a variety of foods, and need to avoid over-consumption of certain foods. So while Ramen is cheap, it is really not healthy to eat it on a regular basis. And while $8 of hamburger split over 10 meals is probably enough meat for a healthy diet, we need a larger amount of fruits/veggies/milk/etc. Just looking at milk for instance: 6oz a day X 6 days = 2.25 pints a week X 5 people = about 1.3 gallon X $3.00/gallon = $4.00
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Personally, I like to listen to the experts on diet advice. And if Kafka, an obvious expert in something or another, has taught me one thing, it's not eating is actually very healthy. It won't kill you and it's good on the soul.
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Kill two birds with one stone: eat free at a homeless food shelter and spread the Gospel by playing Redemption for all of them to see.
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I am (going to be) a college kid and will show you how to eat for less than any of the listed amounts.
Breakfast: Poptarts that my parents bought
Lunch: Chicken that my parents bought
Supper: Food that my parents bought
See? It's quite simple.
This year I'm still at the community college since I have 11 credits to get my AA degree. I am going off to college next year though, and will be spending hopefully $15 a week on food with the same basic plan...
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Fruit and milk are hardly required to live. Ask virtually anyone anywhere but the first world.
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The problem is sustainability. For people to be healthy, they need a variety of foods, and need to avoid over-consumption of certain foods. So while Ramen is cheap, it is really not healthy to eat it on a regular basis. And while $8 of hamburger split over 10 meals is probably enough meat for a healthy diet, we need a larger amount of fruits/veggies/milk/etc. Just looking at milk for instance: 6oz a day X 6 days = 2.25 pints a week X 5 people = about 1.3 gallon X $3.00/gallon = $4.00
FTR, I said "a week's worth of meals," which was not a statement of "sustainability." ;)
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So far I see possible interest in 10-12 playmats... with some of that interest being if they were more in the $15 range. If anyone else would be interested, please let me know so that I can decide if I can recoup enough of my costs that I can afford to have them made!
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Ken,if you have more than one design. I would consider buying more than one.
Thanks
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Fruit and milk are hardly required to live. Ask virtually anyone anywhere but the first world.
I haven't drank milk since I was eight.
I do eat fruit from time to time though...
Just to prove your point. And my sister is going to be a dietician...
So far I see possible interest in 10-12 playmats... with some of that interest being if they were more in the $15 range. If anyone else would be interested, please let me know so that I can decide if I can recoup enough of my costs that I can afford to have them made!
What will the sizes be? I would also like to know if they are too long to fit two on the table and still have a field of battle...
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What will the sizes be? I would also like to know if they are too long to fit two on the table and still have a field of battle...
Speaking of fitting two on a table, can you make semicircular ones for round tables?
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What will the sizes be? I would also like to know if they are too long to fit two on the table and still have a field of battle...
The website Ken linked on my RTS background thread says they are 14" high x 24" wide.
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I would buy more than one if the are different looking.
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I too would consider buying more than one if they had a variety of designs. I should also mention that when I say interested, thats an automatic 2 or 3 mats. I have me, my wife, and my little brother to buy for. :) I don't know if that helps your numbers.
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It's funny this has come up... I actually mentioned the idea of modifying generic playmats to the reg layout for our new players, however, the more advanced players in our playgroup would not like to have the layout printed on their playmat since we already know what the reg format looks like. (Gives the feeling that we have training wheels on). I'd like to see some concepts before I'd consider actually purchasing one (Getting low on cash), but I love the idea of Redemption playmats. Actually, after the way this year's finances have been for me, I'm beginning to doubt I'll be traveling to tourneys... something about wanting to go but not being able to after doing the best I could to make plans to go.
Carry On,
-C_S
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Fruit is not required for sustainability. However Scurvy is a horrible horrible disease. Only good that comes from it is I can now say I'm a pirate
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Fruit is not required for sustainability. However Scurvy is a horrible horrible disease. Only good that comes from it is I can now say I'm a pirate
But do you have a map to lead you to a hidden box, that's all locked up with locks and buried deep away?
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Fruit is not required for sustainability. However Scurvy is a horrible horrible disease. Only good that comes from it is I can now say I'm a pirate
But do you have a map to lead you to a hidden box, that's all locked up with locks and buried deep away?
No, I use www.thepiratebay.org piracy without leaving the comfort of my couch
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the more advanced players in our playgroup would not like to have the layout printed on their playmat since we already know what the reg format looks like.
It's so boring without some sort of design. I would prefer a Redemption design.
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the more advanced players in our playgroup would not like to have the layout printed on their playmat since we already know what the reg format looks like.
It's so boring without some sort of design. I would prefer a Redemption design.
That's not what he was saying. He wants a Redemption design, just not the slots that say "Draw Pile," for example.
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Being a Graphic Design major, I'd be willing to help with the actual design of these mats.
One thing that would help is some specifics people would like to see:
What card layout?
What size?
Ideas about what you would like the design to look like? Do you want simple colors, or card art designs? (though, someone would have to help me by providing artwork we can use legally)
Etc... The more specific ideas people can suggest, the better I could help out.
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the more advanced players in our playgroup would not like to have the layout printed on their playmat since we already know what the reg format looks like.
It's so boring without some sort of design. I would prefer a Redemption design.
That's not what he was saying. He wants a Redemption design, just not the slots that say "Draw Pile," for example.
Yes. I tend to use too much detail sometimes... Redemption design: yes. Card layout: no. Thanks YMT for catching that for me. Wish I could be at SE Regionals tonight :/
Carry On,
-C_S
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i actually prefer the card layout on the maps even though i've been playing redemption forever...it makes the mat unique and its own. just make it faint so the artwork comes through.
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Alright, question:
does anyone actually play like this?
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.redemptionreg.com%2FREG%2FImagesExt%2Fimage308_1.jpg&hash=137789597de2a94878d814bd3024247129e60d39)
I've gotten so used to the RTS layout, which I think makes more sense.
So, what layout do you guys prefer?
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Rulebook. Do it for the RLK's.
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I'm working on just rough layouts for the cards now. Not gonna bother making it look pretty until i get a layout or two that people like.
So, i'll probably be posting 2-3 samples of layouts soon to get some feedback on them.
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The problem with the RTS layout is that it doesn't include deck and discard piles.
I basically play by the way the rulebook dictates, except I have my fortresses not in a pile (usually to the side of my territory) and sites in with the lost souls even when they aren't occupied.
There was a thread awhile ago that asked what people's layouts were. It might have been deleted though.
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No...I believe it is still around, but we never came to a concensus. About three main layouts were used but they were as varied as the number of players themselves. It seems that no two people set up their field of play in the same way.
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I pretty much follow the rule book layout, its just easier for me
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Same here, except for the fortress exception.
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Well, if its possible to make one wider than 24"... here are two drafts:
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these are about 36" wide by 13 high. I can fit it within 24" if i cut off the whole right half and shorten the remaining areas.
Thoughts? and remember, I'm just trying to nail down the layout of the cards, not the art yet.
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The larger set aside area allows for Priests set-asides and Fishing Boat to be more clear. Though I'd still use the left beings it's easier. The problem is hiding the d/c pile behind the draw pile.
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I like the second draft. the only change I would like on the second draft is to switch : Artifacts,Forts, and Sites on the other side of
the Heroes, Evil Characters, Land of Bondage. Other than that,it looks great.
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This is a lost cause unless you are willing to make X different layouts.
x=infinity
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This is a lost cause unless you are willing to make X different layouts.
x=infinity
I agree. Almost everybody organizes their territory a little differently. The only way that everybody would keep their same setup is to make an online page where you can click/drag stuff into the right place and adjust it to the right size. Unfortunately, that would be very expensive (having to print a new design each time).
Not to say playmats couldn't work, but if everybody wants to keep the format that they/their playgroup uses, there will be too many different designs.
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FYI, we already have a couple people working together on the layout for the playmats. I am not sure if they will be made in time for Nationals, or not, but we will get a sample design on here when something is more concrete. :)
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i sincerely hope one of those people is lambo. i dont think there is anyone else here on the boards more well equipped to handle the job.
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i sincerely hope one of those people is lambo. i dont think there is anyone else here on the boards more well equipped to handle the job.
His choice of background art is fantastic.
Truely a masterpeice.
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One of the other options I'm considering for distributing the playmats is giving one free with the purchase of a booster box (starting with Apostles). So you could pay $121.50 for 45 Apostles, Patriarchs, Kings, Angel Wars, or Priests packs OR $108 for 24 Thesaurus or Disciples packs and get a playmat free! Would this be a better option for anyone?
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One of the other options I'm considering for distributing the playmats is giving one free with the purchase of a booster box (starting with Apostles). So you could pay $121.50 for 45 Apostles, Patriarchs, Kings, Angel Wars, or Priests packs OR $108 for 24 Thesaurus or Disciples packs and get a playmat free! Would this be a better option for anyone?
Sort of...It is intriguing to me, but I needed at least 3 mats. So this route could get expensive for those who wanted multiple mats.
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By the way, this would be one option; it wouldn't replace being able to buy them by themselves for a set price, in case that wasn't clear. :)
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ah okay. Thanks for making that clear. I continue to support this pursuit because of the interest and excitement that my kids show for it (they still ask me if I have ordered their mats yet..
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Ken, are you working by yourself / with Uthminister exclusively, or could I help out with the designs as well?
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I just sent you a message.
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This is awesome news! cant wait for them!
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Sweet!! Let us know when Ya put them on your website.
God Bless Ya!
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I think playmats are a cool idea--
and to link it to the cost cutting food discussion that has been ongoing, you could make it edible--
kinda like a fruit roll-up! :laugh:
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you could make it edible-- kinda like a fruit roll-up! :laugh:
This thread has been won
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UPDATE: It looks like these will be available around the end of the year. :)
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Awesome!
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Which of the layouts have you choosen to go with? Rulebook, or CA?
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The layout is not complete because we are waiting on art, but it will be based on the rule book layout. I'm sure Ken will share a pic when it's available.
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Was the art decided on yet? And I would like to see no card boxes on the mat. Have the mat just be for protection and coolness, and let players put cards on the mat as they would on a table.
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Everything is decided but needs approval, and I'll be sure to share it when it's approved. :)
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Everything is decided but needs approval, and I'll be sure to share it when it's approved. :)
But what if we don't like what is approved? ;)
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Everything is decided but needs approval, and I'll be sure to share it when it's approved. :)
But what if we don't like what is approved? ;)
Then you don't buy one. ;)
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Everything is decided but needs approval, and I'll be sure to share it when it's approved. :)
But what if we don't like what is approved? ;)
Then you don't buy one. ;)
Fine! I wasn't going to buy one anyways... ::) ;D
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Was the art decided on yet? And I would like to see no card boxes on the mat. Have the mat just be for protection and coolness, and let players put cards on the mat as they would on a table.
I for one would like to have card boxes on my playmat. FWIW.
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No card boxes, please.
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I'd like cup holders and hand warmers installed on mine please. :)
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Given the choice, I'd go for one without card boxes.
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Given the choice, I'd go for one without card boxes.
Right. Everyone plays a little differently, and defense/offense heavy decks may require more cards in some spaces than others.
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After all, there's always Sharpies.
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Sorry to Necro, but did anything ever come of this? I see no playmats on TLG.
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I would definitely love one. I could actually have a playmay from my favorite game, and I can play with a different playmat than my WoW Playmat! I do love the art from the "Grapes of Wrath/""Mayhem" Playmat. And it does look sick in the Redemption CA variation.
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it would be sweet to have 1, but i hardly ever have cash to buy cards much less a mat for $25. :/
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Thanks for bringing this back up. :) Due to the busy schedules of some of the people involved in this project they are not yet available. However, I can tell you that it WILL be happening this year, and there will PROBABLY be two playmat options to choose from.
Ken
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I am definitely guilty of being the brakes on this project. Sorry to all who have been waiting in anticipation. My timeline is going to put production somewhere around early to mid March. I was also considering using the playmats for tournament prizes in addition to being able to buy them. If you take first place at one of my tournaments, you would receive a playmat. Tournament entries would have to be a little more expensive, but that would be an easy way to spread out the cost a bit more. Thanks for your patience everyone!
Travis