Nationals 2014 Top Cut playmats? Yes please.
Roy's are certainly awesome, I picked up one. But I wouldn't mind seeing ones made that say Redemption on them and have a spot for Deck/Land of redemption, art pile, etc.
Nationals 2014 Top Cut playmats? Yes please.Great idea!
My friend has one like that, except its California style.
How about anyone who is interested in designing a playmat works together to come up with one or two that are not event-specific, and then we can figure out a good place to have them made. :)
What are the mats made of? Are they like mouse pads or flat sheets of plastic?http://www.inkedplaymats.com/pages/faq (http://www.inkedplaymats.com/pages/faq)
RTS thats the exact opposite of California style lol... Its supposed to be.... This is my bad visual text representation of California Style :PJust think of it this way: California is evil, Arizona's where we get stuff and send stuff to Ken, Minnesota's good, and the East coast is set-aside. That work? ;)
(Left Side) (Middle) (Right Side) (Set Aside)
Evil Deck Good Redeemed Souls
LoB Discard Arts
Forts
Nationals 2014 Top Cut playmats? Yes please.
Until we get an official way of formatting the territory (like, not just in the rulebook, but actually an enforced way), I really don't like the idea of placing identifications on where each pile goes.
Nationals 2014 Top Cut playmats? Yes please.
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Until we get an official way of formatting the territory (like, not just in the rulebook, but actually an enforced way), I really don't like the idea of placing identifications on where each pile goes.
This is why we adjusted the transparency levels on our mat to very high. For one, most people are either already experienced enough to know where the zones are and don't need to be babysat, or prefer to setup their card zones the way they choose. Two, it allows more of the awesome artwork to show through.Nationals 2014 Top Cut playmats? Yes please.
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The AoC artwork has a nostalgiac touch...pretty awesome artwork, and what more of a fitting way to make the first Top Cut mat feature the same artwork of the very first Nationals promo. ;)
It's interesting that people assume there will be a top cut at the next Nationals.
If you can direct me to where anyone has claimed this...
Concerning zones, I believe the way we ended up designing ours was as close to the one found in the rulebook. Of course some elements had to be compromised to fit it within the playmat limitations as best as we could. Also, a set aside zone is completely unnecessary since it can simply go off the mat, 'out of play(mat)'.
If you can direct me to where anyone has claimed this...
Several of the sample mats say Top Cut Nationals 2014. Is there some other way that should be interpreted?
If you can direct me to where anyone has claimed this...
Several of the sample mats say Top Cut Nationals 2014. Is there some other way that should be interpreted?
It's interesting that people assume there will be a top cut at the next Nationals.Ha, I was thinking the same thing. Assuming the rumors about where Nats will be next year are true, I highly doubt there will be. ;)
It's interesting that people assume there will be a top cut at the next Nationals.
Prof U if you dont mind me asking... are you left handed? Because the way you set up your cards is totally biased towards being left handed :P
But the nationals was so long that it threw off the balance of the entire design.NATIONALS -TOP CUT-
It's interesting that people assume there will be a top cut at the next Nationals.That's a good point. I guess I do kinda assume it will happen next year. Top Cut caters to the top (read competitive players), and if rumors are right, then next year's host is one of the toppest, competitivest players that I know. However, I would be very happy for the Top Cut experiment to NOT be repeated next year.
Prof U if you dont mind me asking... are you left handed?Interesting question. I am completely right-handed actually. My left hand is pretty useless unfortunately. As for the design, my thinking is that in English we read from left to right, so I put the heroes first (on the left). However, I could also see someone saying that we should go by the parable of the sheep and the goats. In that case the heroes would be on the right, and the ECs on the left. I'd be good either way really. A mirror image of my design would be equally logical.
a set aside zone is completely unnecessary since it can simply go off the mat, 'out of play(mat)'.This is a brilliant idea. By putting the set-aside zone and the Land of Redemption "off the mat" it would clearly indicate what cards are "in play". I modified my suggestion to utilize this.
R l Good Artifacts E V I L C H A R A C T E R S l S
E l Fortress l E
S l l T
C l G O O D C H A R A C T E R S Discard Evil l
U l Pile Fortressl A
E l l S
D l Unused Deck L O S T S O U L S l I
l Sites l D
l l E
I've actually seen a lot of people place their deck to the left side. I'm right handed, and that's always baffled me, but I would even say more than half of the people I've ever played do it that way.
It's interesting that people assume there will be a top cut at the next Nationals.That's a good point. I guess I do kinda assume it will happen next year. Top Cut caters to the top (read competitive players), and if rumors are right, then next year's host is one of the toppest, competitivest players that I know.
Can I get some feed back on my top cut playmat? I promise I take critisism well. Anything is better than nothing right now.I like:
Minor revision, the gray text just wasn't working for me. It needed more... pizzazz.
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At first I thought he said it needed more pizza. Which also isn't a bad thing. Everything is better with pizza.Totally agree. We should make these playmats suitable for eating on as well.
I might not be thrilled if my opponent had his artifact pile near his Land of Bondage (which can be quite cluttered in a T2 game) and I didn't notice which artifact he had active until it was too late and I had already acted thinking he had no artifact activePrecisely why I like my hypothetical playmat set up putting my opponent's artifacts front and center where I can't miss them :)
R l Good Artifacts E V I L C H A R A C T E R S l S
E l Fortress l E
S l l T
C l G O O D C H A R A C T E R S Discard Evil l
U l Pile Fortressl A
E l l S
D l Unused Deck L O S T S O U L S l I
l Sites l D
l l E
deck, discard pile should be beside each other
deck, discard pile should be beside each otherOK, I can put them together.
I'm also not a fan of evil characters being above the heroes.+1. I'll adjust that as well.
S l Artifacts Good G O O D C H A R A C T E R S l R
E l Fortress l E
T l l S
l E V I L C H A R A C T E R S Evil Discard l C
A l Fortress Pile l U
S l l E
I l L O S T S O U L S Unused Deck l D
D l Sites l
E l l
Lambo, I'd swap T1-2P and 2014 on that. Makes more sense to me to group nationals and year, and then group top cut and category together. Looks fantastic!
My issue with the second one: That artwork has no connection to the game, as it's never been used on a card before.Clift, I gotta agree with Lambo that although the 2nd picture looks AWESOME, it doesn't really have any connection specifically to Redemption. The 1st one is less busy due to zooming in on the Mayhem so much, but unfortunately it also doesn't seem to have a strong connection specifically to Redemption as it really just shows a couple elephants with archers on them. I actually really like the 2nd picture for a generic card playmat though (probably without the Redemption logo).
This is how long NATIONALS is on the left side:I actually think that looks better, although I agree with the suggestion about switching the event and year to opposite sides.
The concept can be seen on my HD RTS background (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97804213/HD_Background.jpg), but that needs improvement and refining to be used as a play mat. My biggest concern with this concept is that the finished product would look too cluttered.I just wanted to make an aside that I LOVE your RTS background. I have it up as my primary background now.
The text on the bottom looks a lot cleaner now, Lambo! I'd still prefer to see just the Redemption logo with no splash behind it, but what you've done looks good. :)
That looks awesome! If you hadn't changed your layout I'd buy one. Your original layout was the best I've seen so far because it was very similar to the rulebook layout.
I think if you are going with a layout, the best thing would be to have the names of the locations. So Draw should be Deck, Rescued Souls should be Land of Redemption, etc.
The last word of "Land of Redemption" requires me to shrink the font size more than I'd like in order to fit.The Land of Redemption is not "in play" and therefore really shouldn't be on the playmat anymore than "set aside" should be there. I think that it's best to leave both off and just let people put one to the left of their playmat, and one to the right.
I could go either way on that one, but I believe Land of Redemption is far too important to leave off the mat. It also makes the mat look more uniform by taking up the last zone where really nothing else could possibly go. Unless we were to move sites up to its current location and extend the lost soul zone even further.
The last word of "Land of Redemption" requires me to shrink the font size more than I'd like in order to fit.The Land of Redemption is not "in play" and therefore really shouldn't be on the playmat anymore than "set aside" should be there. I think that it's best to leave both off and just let people put one to the left of their playmat, and one to the right.
P.S.S. First person to make a playmat based on Goat with Horn wins.
I realize this is off topic but if Gabe hosts Nationals there won't be a top cut considering he was opposed to it in every public comment I've seen. Since Prof U insinuated a bit that Gabe liked it, I just wanted to correct that.
P.S. I like Lambo's first layout the most.
P.S.S. First person to make a playmat based on Goat with Horn wins.
If areas not in play should be off the mat, then why would deck and discard pile be on there?Good point. Looking back at the rulebook placements, I suppose you could have the "fortress" section go vertical instead of horizontal, and put the "discard pile" above the "draw pile". That would make all the "out of play" stuff in one column on the far right (LoR is already there on top). You could even put a line down cutting that area off, to show that it is out of play.
If areas not in play should be off the mat, then why would deck and discard pile be on there?Good point. Looking back at the rulebook placements, I suppose you could have the "fortress" section go vertical instead of horizontal, and put the "discard pile" above the "draw pile". That would make all the "out of play" stuff in one column on the far right (LoR is already there on top). You could even put a line down cutting that area off, to show that it is out of play.
The main problem that I see with that is that it would make the most sense to have the "good fortress" part next to the heroes, and the "evil fortress" part next to the ECs. But that would shove the artifacts all the way to the bottom of the mat where they would be the hardest for an opponent to see.
I had such hope that it would be possible to design a perfect way to set up the territory. I think I'm losing hope. :(
I can cut heroes and EC's down to six cards wide, and add a single slot for a fortress like I did with sites.
I can cut heroes and EC's down to six cards wide, and add a single slot for a fortress like I did with sites. As for the rest of the space... I could box in Rescued Souls, a set aside indicator pointing off the mat, Deck, and Discard to indicate they are not in play, then maybe split artifacts into active and face down piles?
I do like that one alot now after seeing it. Good/Evil/Sites blends perfectly within its respective zones. Land of Redemption is able to be fully realized. Only thing I do not like is the out of play text/line. Can you add transparency to it to make it more subtle? It may not even be really necessary actually.
Is Artifact Pile more opaque than the other descriptors?
The out of play line that extends to the right of the mat goes all the way to the edge. Looks funky that way, could be shortened to line up with the right-most boundary of artifact pile/lor/discard, just like the out of play line extends towards the bottom of the mat.
I was given the high-res version of AoC, but oddly enough the image I found from Google was larger.
Anxious to see the updated mat with the corrections and hi-res art.
Minor nitpick, it's TM, not (R) ;)It seems to be different on different things. For example, on the Cactus front page it's (R)
While that looks great, I may stick with the original color scheme for now.
Minor nitpick, it's TM, not (R) ;)It seems to be different on different things. For example, on the Cactus front page it's (R)
While that looks great, I may stick with the original color scheme for now.
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I widened LoR and Artifact areas so people are not forced to stack all of those cards into one pile.I like this set up. I still wish someone could find a Hi-Res copy of AotL or GoYS to see what that would look like.
Also, if you are not using forts or sites, you have the full 7 card area for characters and souls.
Hey, I feel like since you're only going to have one artifact active at a time the Art Pile doesn't have to be so wide and so if you made that only 1 card wide next to good forts you could put a space for set-aside cards there and extend the "Out of Play" line up instead of to the side.This seems like a good idea.
Also, with there being an "Out of Play" line I feel like there really should be a spot for fortresses that play to set-aside. It might just be me but it seems like otherwise there might be some confusion. Perhaps the LoR could be shortened to one card width?I actually like the idea of the LSs in the LoR being able to be spread out so your opponent can easily count how many rescued souls you have (hugely important). If you just have that spot mentioned above for set aside cards, any set aside forts could go there.
I could shorten the character / soul area by one more card width, and add a single 3 card tall strip on the right for set aside.I don't think that's a good idea considering how many heroes are likely to be in play, and that in many games the set-aside area isn't really used very much if at all.
I know RTSmaniac already made one, but what does everyone think about a blank playmat like this?I also prefer having the zones labeled (albeit pretty transparently). However I love the GoYS image. Would it be possible to zoom out just a bit more though so that it's not quite so tight, and have him slightly on the left side of the playmat?
For those curious what my last suggestion looks like:I like the layout overall, but miss the line that showed what parts were "out of play".
Looks cool. Once you guys finalize will someone be selling these?
I know RTSmaniac already made one, but what does everyone think about a blank playmat like this?I also prefer having the zones labeled (albeit pretty transparently). However I love the GoYS image. Would it be possible to zoom out just a bit more though so that it's not quite so tight, and have him slightly on the left side of the playmat?For those curious what my last suggestion looks like:I like the layout overall, but miss the line that showed what parts were "out of play".
Also digging the GOYS mat. Looks perfect as is, except I prefer the transparent card zones.What do you have against TeleStoryToons? ;)
Now I would love to see an Eternal Stuidos AOTL mat. Honestly, anything Eternal/Cahaba Studios is super legit.
Lambo or Daniel, could you make one of the GoYS backgrounds (zoomed out slightly and moved towards the left) that has the card placements shown as below:
Heroes/Good Fortresses Artifacts l Set Aside
Evil Characters/Evil Fortresses l Land of Redemption
Land of Bondage l Deck Discard Pile
The line doesn't really have to be labeled I suppose, but it separates the "in play" from "out of play"
I would put Land of Redemption above the Artifact pile and Set aside area.
I would put Land of Redemption above the Artifact pile and Set aside area.
A couple people have mentioned that they would prefer the artifact pile to be at the front, so that it's harder to miss. We all know how obnoxious it is when you forget your opponent has Unholy Writ active. :D
There should be at least 3 options. Perhaps:
Guardian of Your Souls
Angel of the Lord (classic art)
Grapes of Wrath
There should be at least 3 options. Perhaps:But... but... I liked AoC. :P
Guardian of Your Souls
Angel of the Lord (classic art)
Grapes of Wrath
I still do not have the full res version of this image, so I had to modify Daniel's image above for this preview.Thank you so much for putting these ideas together. As for my opinion on the latest version...
I still do not have the full res version of this image, so I had to modify Daniel's image above for this preview.Thank you so much for putting these ideas together. As for my opinion on the latest version...
Totally Wicked! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acYDNlMYAaI#)
I know this may be asking too much, but could someone take that latest GoYS version and put it into the right size dimensions (and flip a mirror image, etc.) for an RTS background?
Instead, I could rebuild this general layout (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/rtsonline-play/i-was-bored-new-rts-background/) to look like the playmat.Could you do that setup but with the solid GoYS picture as the background, and only having the sections labeled with the transparent look like we've been seeing?
do they have enough money to get this off the ground?This seems pretty easy. They could just do a KickStarter thing where people could pay ahead of time for one, and if enough got bought, then the project would be fully funded and would happen. If not, then no one is out any money :)
Hey Lambo,
What dimensions are your playmat? What size would it have to be to hold all the stuff we are talking about?
Instead, I could rebuild this general layout (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/rtsonline-play/i-was-bored-new-rts-background/) to look like the playmat.Could you do that setup but with the solid GoYS picture as the background, and only having the sections labeled with the transparent look like we've been seeing?
the dimensions may look off depending on your monitor's aspect ratio.This must be my problem, because my cards seem to be too tall for the rectangles.
I'm new to this game and I was wondering if the playmat came to be yet? I love some of the designs here.
Well lets look at this pragmatically, Does anyone here have manufacturer ties and can get a rough estimate of cost per item vs order size(IE. how much per at at an order of 50, 10, 200, etc.)? We already have a known cost of $250 to get the high res art work. The only other cost should be the cut for those who do the graphics work(they absolutely should get something), and the cut for the investors who make it happen, and if cactus wants anything.
I guess the only thing we needs to know is how much manufacturing costs will be, I think the rest is tractable.
Would anyone be willing to print out one of the last two (your preference based on art) on a normal sheet of paper as a reference, then play some normal games with that layout? That should help us figure out what feels natural and what needs to be moved around.I've been changing the way that I set up my territory based on the GoYS layout, and it's seemed pretty natural. It's a big change for me to have my deck on my right, but the awesomeness of the playmat makes it worth it to me :)
Agreed, but I was looking at making just the GOYS playmat first, since that artwork has a known cost. But for each mat we have to factor in cost of artwork as well.
Hasn't it already been said earlier in the thread that someone was given artwork by Rob to use towards making playmats? Why not use that artwork first since it would be free?I think that was referring to the Mayhem and Grapes of Wrath artwork that Travis (uthminister) has purchased the rights to use. For anyone else to use it, he'd need to be involved in this project.
I believe there is artwork that is free to use, but that conversation was between Gabe and Rob, so I'm not certain. I know that Cactus will need to receive a 10% royalty on all sales. I don't remember the breakdown for all the quantities, but the company I was going to get them printed through charges $7.95 PLUS SHIPPING for 100 play mats (not sure what shipping costs are). Hopefully that helps some. The company was Nested Egg Gaming, but I don't have time to look it up right now. :)
I believe there is artwork that is free to use, but that conversation was between Gabe and Rob, so I'm not certain. I know that Cactus will need to receive a 10% royalty on all sales. I don't remember the breakdown for all the quantities, but the company I was going to get them printed through charges $7.95 PLUS SHIPPING for 100 play mats (not sure what shipping costs are). Hopefully that helps some. The company was Nested Egg Gaming, but I don't have time to look it up right now. :)Information is here. (http://www.nestedegg.com/?page_id=22)
Still very interested in these!. Welcome back missed seeing u on the boards bro
Still very interested in these!. Welcome back missed seeing u on the boards bro
I am not currently doing anything in regards to the playmats because I was told by Rob that until Roy's mats were sold out that he would not be authorizing anyone to use Redemption artwork for a playmat application.
Can anyone provide a pic of Roys playmats?
I possess all of Roy's remaining playmats now if anyone is interested in getting one of them. I bought them all in hopes of getting permission to use some Redemption artwork for the new TLG play mats but that didn't happen. I am actually not that upset because the art I got the rights to is pretty sick.How much would they be?
I could have gotten the art that Redemption has used but I found another piece that I thought would look amazing as a play mat.
You can find it here: http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/redemption-tournaments/'15-'16-playmat/ (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/redemption-tournaments/'15-'16-playmat/)
I really love this and would love to see one of these come out if Roy sold all his!
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