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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Redemption® Market => Topic started by: soul seeker on August 18, 2011, 09:51:03 PM
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I really hate to do this, but I am left with only one other option besides this (i.e. stalk through facebook): please encourage him to send the cards he owes or my money back.
Why am I not handling this through Paypal? Because I give most of the people I trade with favors (by marking personal) to avoid tedious charges for both sides...I cannot open a dispute there. I will admit that this is my own fault, but I don't think I should be cheated out of $40.
What gets me is that the cards weren't even for me, but for my boys (7 & 8 year olds).
I am actively trying to get the cards for my boys so they don't feel the brunt of this and I may lose a Goliath, Lampstand, and potentially more money because I feel cheated.
To be clear, I gave Chandler $39 through Paypal 3 weeks ago and he has not been on the boards since August 1st and I have not received any cards. How this affects future traders? I will not mark personal for money or send anything first unless you are extremely reputable. This is twice that I've been cheated (once here and once ebay).
I felt everyone should have a heads up. When I receive the cards or money then I will delete this.
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FTR, we should not be marking transactions as personal on PayPal when we are sending/receiving goods (i.e. cards). Doing so is circumventing PayPal's fee policy, which is unethical. I say this because I was originally doing the same, but when I read PayPal's policies more closely, I realized that this was inappropriate. If we are using PayPal to sell/buy items, then PayPal deserves to receive their fees for service.
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'payment owed' isnt a personal transaction?
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Thanks for the thought, YMT, and I agree with you. That is why I admitted my mistake in doing it. I had not looked closely at the policy until this happened. It's a for sure hard lesson learned.
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'payment owed' isnt a personal transaction?
Actually, no. That is for non-goods payment (i.e. I fixed your car, so you owe me $100).
Thanks for the thought, YMT, and I agree with you. That is why I admitted my mistake in doing it. I had not looked closely at the policy until this happened. It's a for sure hard lesson learned.
I had not looked closely at first either. Unfortunately that left you vulnerable, as you said. Of course, even if you had followed the normal means, you still may have been left out. I got ripped off here on the boards, too. I filed the PayPal dispute, and they ruled in my favor. But, because they had closed the account, I got nothing.
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It's really sad that I can't safely buy cards on this forum.
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Wow, I thought a dispute was a guaranteed win and I assumed that Paypal is a kind of an insurance. The one I filed from ebay a while back was won and money returned. That's tough and unfortunately makes me a bit more skeptical.
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Wow, I thought a dispute was a guaranteed win and I assumed that Paypal is a kind of an insurance. The one I filed from ebay a while back was won and money returned. That's tough and unfortunately makes me a bit more skeptical.
YMT won as well, but if the bank account connected the Paypal account in question has been closed, Paypal has no way to recover funds. It's actually a fairly easy way to commit fraud.
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It's really sad that I can't safely buy cards on this forum.
The guy that ripped me off (nvrsmkDK or something like that) never came back on the boards (unless he assumed a new screen name).
Wow, I thought a dispute was a guaranteed win and I assumed that Paypal is a kind of an insurance. The one I filed from ebay a while back was won and money returned. That's tough and unfortunately makes me a bit more skeptical.
Tell me about it. ;)
PayPal only let me down three times in over 1000 transactions (mostly as an eBay seller). Nonetheless, those three transactions stung, so I am indeed skeptical. That was one of the reasons I stopped selling on eBay.
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Yeah, I remember that situation fairly vividly YMT, but when one member of lesser standing commits that offense, it prevents me from wanting to complete transactions with anyone I have not met in person*.
*with some exceptions
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Yeah, I remember that situation fairly vividly YMT, but when one member of lesser standing commits that offense, it prevents me from wanting to complete transactions with anyone I have not met in person.
I agree with you, essentially. I will bend for trusted members that I talk to on the boards (i.e. you, Polarius, the Professors, etc.), since I have hardly met anyone in person having never been to a Nats.
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Perhaps a list can be made of known and trustworthy traders and it can be edited at the discretion of one person, who would get feedback from other people on the forum about the person they traded with and the honesty/accuracy of the package they sent them?
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Perhaps a list can be made of known and trustworthy traders and it can be edited at the discretion of one person, who would get feedback from other people on the forum about the person they traded with and the honesty/accuracy of the package they sent them?
This exists and SoulSeeker already takes care of it. Its on the trading boards.
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I'm always kept out of the loop :'( *Sob*
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Yeah, I remember that situation fairly vividly YMT, but when one member of lesser standing commits that offense, it prevents me from wanting to complete transactions with anyone I have not met in person.
I agree with you, essentially. I will bend for trusted members that I talk to on the boards (i.e. you, Polarius, the Professors, etc.), since I have hardly met anyone in person having never been to a Nats.
I agree with that philosophy because I can easily call you out when you old guys cheat me ;).
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Perhaps a list can be made of known and trustworthy traders and it can be edited at the discretion of one person, who would get feedback from other people on the forum about the person they traded with and the honesty/accuracy of the package they sent them?
This exists and SoulSeeker already takes care of it. Its on the trading boards.
I DID have it, but it got locked in lieu of the +/- by our names.
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Perhaps a list can be made of known and trustworthy traders and it can be edited at the discretion of one person, who would get feedback from other people on the forum about the person they traded with and the honesty/accuracy of the package they sent them?
This exists and SoulSeeker already takes care of it. Its on the trading boards.
I DID have it, but it got locked in lieu of the +/- by our names.
Did it get locked today? I just saw a new post in there I swear.
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I am knot knowing :(
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Wow, I thought a dispute was a guaranteed win and I assumed that Paypal is a kind of an insurance. The one I filed from ebay a while back was won and money returned. That's tough and unfortunately makes me a bit more skeptical.
YMT won as well, but if the bank account connected the Paypal account in question has been closed, Paypal has no way to recover funds. It's actually a fairly easy way to commit fraud.
paypal actually cannot authorize to pull funds from a bank account to recover funds in a bad transaction...they can cancel pending transactions, thats it.
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Orly? I should read up on Paypal policy I guess.
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Wow, I thought a dispute was a guaranteed win and I assumed that Paypal is a kind of an insurance. The one I filed from ebay a while back was won and money returned. That's tough and unfortunately makes me a bit more skeptical.
YMT won as well, but if the bank account connected the Paypal account in question has been closed, Paypal has no way to recover funds. It's actually a fairly easy way to commit fraud.
paypal actually cannot authorize to pull funds from a bank account to recover funds in a bad transaction...they can cancel pending transactions, thats it.
They can also pull it out of the paypal account, provided it has not yet been transferred to a bank account. Even if it has the person just gets a negative balance which Paypal can then pay off with the bank account, but if the account is closed theres nothing they can do
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Well paypal is dumb. Its supposed to be the "safe, quick, and easy way to pay" but things like this happen. Things like this make me want to kick a giraffe in the face or something.
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Well paypal is dumb. Its supposed to be the "safe, quick, and easy way to pay" but things like this happen. Things like this make me want to kick a giraffe in the face or something.
It's more a safe, easy way to line Peter Thiel's pocket so he can build ocean locked libertarian villages on floating platforms to make the game Bioshock a reality.
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Well paypal is dumb. Its supposed to be the "safe, quick, and easy way to pay" but things like this happen. Things like this make me want to kick a giraffe in the face or something.
Its safer then anything else. You use cash, you cant get it back, use check, youre not getting it back, credit card? lol good luck
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Fine, then people are dumb. *Kicks Giraffe in the face*
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Fine, then people are dumb. *Kicks Giraffe in the face*
Now this I can agree with
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That should totally be on a T-Shirt not gonna lie.
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They're like 20 feet tall bro.
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paypal is tightening security alot though lately. if you're not a reputable seller on ebay, they will hold funds up to 21 days until either the buyer leaves positive feedback or 3 days after delivery was confirmed. if its a non-ebay, non-personal transaction, they will hold the payment up to 21 days or until 3 days after delivery is confirmed.
That should totally be on a T-Shirt not gonna lie.
i agree, and i would buy it from you. can i use paypal?
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Option a: Kick it While its getting a drink of Water. Option B: Kick a Baby Giraffe in the face.
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Master KChief: thats Very good! Dumb Hackers need to put in their place!
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A giraffe is basically a long horse that you can't ride and eats leaves.
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Wait, so horses dont eat leaves?
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Don't they eat like hay and grass? I'm just saying, you don't need to get kicked out of a zoo to express yourself when there are horses around.
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Im Horses in Florida? Yeah, horses having strokes but thats about it. Besides, Giraffes seem to me like more versatile creatures. They get better faster so you can kick them again sooner ;)
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'payment owed' isnt a personal transaction?
Actually, no. That is for non-goods payment (i.e. I fixed your car, so you owe me $100).
Wow, I wouldn't have guessed that. Not the first thing I learned recently.
I too purchased from Chandler, and never received my cards. My payment was $58. I have bounced back and forth (clueless about "payment owed") with payment methods and was lucky to have sent the cash as a normal purchase payment. However, I won't know for a few days whether or not I will get my refund from the paypal claim.
Also, I do know FOR A FACT that there are members on these boards that hang out with Chandler outside of the boards (in real life). I would say you have a responsibility to talk to Chandler regarding these matters. Please please help us out.
On a side note, if Chandler fails to fix this and paypal has to refund my money (or fails to refund my money), then paypal will block him from using thier services and ebay pretty much ever again. And i am almost certain you have to sign up for paypal with a social security number, so they will REALLY block him. I doubt being blocked from paypal, ebay, half.com, and all the other paypal/ebay companies is worth $100..... just something to keep in mind.
There's also a good chance paypal will get in touch with his bank anyway...
Patiently hoping Chandler steps up--
Nick
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'payment owed' isnt a personal transaction?
Actually, no. That is for non-goods payment (i.e. I fixed your car, so you owe me $100).
Wow, I wouldn't have guessed that. Not the first thing I learned recently.
I too purchased from Chandler, and never received my cards. My payment was $58. I have bounced back and forth (clueless about "payment owed") with payment methods and was lucky to have sent the cash as a normal purchase payment. However, I won't know for a few days whether or not I will get my refund from the paypal claim.
Also, I do know FOR A FACT that there are members on these boards that hang out with Chandler outside of the boards (in real life). I would say you have a responsibility to talk to Chandler regarding these matters. Please please help us out.
On a side note, if Chandler fails to fix this and paypal has to refund my money (or fails to refund my money), then paypal will block him from using thier services and ebay pretty much ever again. And i am almost certain you have to sign up for paypal with a social security number, so they will REALLY block him. I doubt being blocked from paypal, ebay, half.com, and all the other paypal/ebay companies is worth $100..... just something to keep in mind.
There's also a good chance paypal will get in touch with his bank anyway...
Patiently hoping Chandler steps up--
Nick
Paypal Doesnt reguire Social security number. I have 3 accounts.
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Paypal Doesnt reguire Social security number. I have 3 accounts.
How do you have three? what do you need three for?
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Paypal Doesnt reguire Social security number. I have 3 accounts.
How do you have three? what do you need three for?
I made the second one because I forgot the log in for the first one, and the third one was for a fundraiser i did, so that I wouldn't get the money that had been donated mixed in with the money I use for online shopping, or payments from things I sell on ebay. I have three because I made three. All I needed were 3 different email addresses and I have at least 15 of those.
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fyi- you are only supposed to have multiple if you use one for personal and one for business (to my knowledge)...
btw- when was the last time you signed up for a paypal account?
Nick
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also, just because you were blocked from using paypal doesnt mean you do not still have access to ebay. you can still use propay, moneybookers, etc as an alternative payment/purchase method.
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also, just because you were blocked from using paypal doesnt mean you do not still have access to ebay. you can still use propay, moneybookers, etc as an alternative payment/purchase method.
Hmm, things must have changed since I had my last problem with paypal....
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fyi- you are only supposed to have multiple if you use one for personal and one for business (to my knowledge)...
btw- when was the last time you signed up for a paypal account?
Nick
As I don't remember the log in for the first account I essentially only have the two, one personal and one for the charity. The last time I signed up for a pay pay was this april. However I just checked there registration page and no SSN is required. Just address and phone number which can be easily faked. And when you think about it it makes sense. Paypal is not just limited to the US and if you aren't from the US you dont have a Social Security Number
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fyi- you are only supposed to have multiple if you use one for personal and one for business (to my knowledge)...
btw- when was the last time you signed up for a paypal account?
Nick
As I don't remember the log in for the first account I essentially only have the two, one personal and one for the charity. The last time I signed up for a pay pay was this april. However I just checked there registration page and no SSN is required. Just address and phone number which can be easily faked. And when you think about it it makes sense. Paypal is not just limited to the US and if you aren't from the US you dont have a Social Security Number
Hmm, it was probably because i had a paypal debit cards...
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fyi- you are only supposed to have multiple if you use one for personal and one for business (to my knowledge)...
btw- when was the last time you signed up for a paypal account?
Nick
As I don't remember the log in for the first account I essentially only have the two, one personal and one for the charity. The last time I signed up for a pay pay was this april. However I just checked there registration page and no SSN is required. Just address and phone number which can be easily faked. And when you think about it it makes sense. Paypal is not just limited to the US and if you aren't from the US you dont have a Social Security Number
Hmm, it was probably because i had a paypal debit cards...
That would do it. Credit Cards do need a social security number so your credit report can be updated
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fyi- you are only supposed to have multiple if you use one for personal and one for business (to my knowledge)...
btw- when was the last time you signed up for a paypal account?
Nick
As I don't remember the log in for the first account I essentially only have the two, one personal and one for the charity. The last time I signed up for a pay pay was this april. However I just checked there registration page and no SSN is required. Just address and phone number which can be easily faked. And when you think about it it makes sense. Paypal is not just limited to the US and if you aren't from the US you dont have a Social Security Number
Hmm, it was probably because i had a paypal debit cards...
That would do it. Credit Cards do need a social security number so your credit report can be updated
I was actually just a debit card, not credit card
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I just looked up CJS's posts, and it appears that he very rarely posts on the boards here. He posted in Jan of 2009, then in Sept of 2010, then in July of 2011. However, I think he's pretty regular at the TX tournament scene. Before getting all worked up about him, I would try sending a PM to tcmgoingon60 who runs the tournaments down there. He can probably get in touch with Chandler much faster than anything on these boards.
I know its been a few weeks, but sometimes people are just really slow sending stuff. I wouldn't give up hope yet on these trades.
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I just looked up CJS's posts, and it appears that he very rarely posts on the boards here. He posted in Jan of 2009, then in Sept of 2010, then in July of 2011. However, I think he's pretty regular at the TX tournament scene. Before getting all worked up about him, I would try sending a PM to tcmgoingon60 who runs the tournaments down there. He can probably get in touch with Chandler much faster than anything on these boards.
I know its been a few weeks, but sometimes people are just really slow sending stuff. I wouldn't give up hope yet on these trades.
I PM'd him about a week ago, but all he said was that he wouldn't see him till mid-september... not much help there
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I PM'd him about a week ago, but all he said was that he wouldn't see him till mid-september... not much help there
Actually that is a help. Based on Chandler's regularity of posts, mid-September is probably sooner than he would visit the forum. And based on this info, my guess is that this will probably be resolved within the next month. Either Chandler will send out the cards on his own in the next few weeks, or Terry will talk to him at their tournament, and take care of things there.
I don't know Chandler personally, but I know Terry's a good guy, and I also know that Chandler's been around for many years in the game. I am confident that this is all going to work out.
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I didn't know ANY friends of Chandler (until I posted this) which is why I worded my topic title the way I did. I understand you are optimistic Mark, but saying it will "eventually" get resolved is not comforting to two people who lost a fair amount of money.
Since you are not in Cpt. Jaeger's or my shoes, you can afford the luxury of being okay or forgiving of a "slow sender." I don't think people should be "slow senders." I gave 3 weeks (which is slow) after I was told by PM that the cards were in the mail. I lost more confidence that Cpt. Jaeger had been waiting longer, and Chandler is barely on the boards.
FWIW, I am forgiving. If it is resolved (by resolved I get the money back or cards), then I will delete this thread.
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I didn't know ANY friends of Chandler (until I posted this) which is why I worded my topic title the way I did. I understand you are optimistic Mark, but saying it will "eventually" get resolved is not comforting to two people who lost a fair amount of money.
Since you are not in Cpt. Jaeger's or my shoes, you can afford the luxury of being okay or forgiving of a "slow sender." I don't think people should be "slow senders." I gave 3 weeks (which is slow) after I was told by PM that the cards were in the mail. I lost more confidence that Cpt. Jaeger had been waiting longer, and Chandler is barely on the boards.
FWIW, I am forgiving. If it is resolved (by resolved I get the money back or cards), then I will delete this thread.
Well, I'm pretty forgiving and understand the likelihood that I will not get my money back. Things like this happen. They may be wrong, but I can't let that get me worked up. However, I do not think Chandler should be allowed to play in a tourney until he has righted this. That much I do know. I'll keep you posted on my paypal claim as well.
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I know its been a few weeks, but sometimes people are just really slow sending stuff.
If you are a "slow sender", then you need to tell us openly before you trade/sell on the boards. Experienced traders and buyers should not have to wait more than a week for cards. I expect people to send their cards within a couple of days, unless other arrangements have been agreed upon. New traders should expect to have to send their cards first, but they should be notified immediately when cards arrive and when return cards are sent.
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Yes yes yes, i am very new to the boards, and i have traded 5+ times so far, and the other person has asked me to send my cards first. I completely understand where they come from now that something tragic like this has happened. Hoperfully I can eventually earn my name on that "list" :)
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I know its been a few weeks, but sometimes people are just really slow sending stuff.
If you are a "slow sender", then you need to tell us openly before you trade/sell on the boards. Experienced traders and buyers should not have to wait more than a week for cards. I expect people to send their cards within a couple of days, unless other arrangements have been agreed upon. New traders should expect to have to send their cards first, but they should be notified immediately when cards arrive and when return cards are sent.
he told us both that he would send ASAP....
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There really isn't any good reason to be a slow sender at all, regardless of circumstances. As understanding as people on here can be about being a week late or something like that, I believe that when someone sends their portion of a trade, you're obligated to send yours as well. Earlier this summer I forgot about a trade and left to go to the summer camp I worked for, and as such, about 1/5 of my trade was unsent for 3 weeks longer than it should have been, something I still feel guilty about. I'm not making excuses, I'm not saying it was okay- I was irresponsible and am only thankful that the other person in the trade was very gracious. As harsh as it seems, it's starting to sound like CJStormtrooper blatantly ripped off two people for rather large sums, which is very unfortunate, and I would encourage everyone - trading vet or not - to use a bit more caution from here on out, especially when dealing with people with a small amount of trades under their belts.
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yeah this thread is just one more reason i rarely trade i normally just buy what i need at events etc
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I strongly encourage young traders to pursue trading on the boards as much as possible if you think you will be around for awhile. Putting in the time to develop relationships with traders, develop a good trading reputation, and showing others you are accountable is worth a few trades that you may not necessarily have needed to do. In addition, if you see someone that needs a couple cards that you have to spare, consider simply being generous. A show of generosity certainly gives others a reason to trust you aren't on here to rip someone off. On that same note though, generosity is not an excuse or legitimization to rip someone off later.
My thoughts ::)
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+1
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The event in mid-Sept is a district tour. If he shows up,we will give him grief. Side note to Chronic: I'm still enjoying the cards. How's the 360?
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Update- I received my refund from paypal. He never even responded to the paypal claim, so they automatically recovered my money after 10 days
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I told him (in person) to send the cards weeks ago.
He had some living arrangement problems and ended up having to move out of one house and into another, but that was still a week or more later than the trades were made. He should have just send them immediately, but because he waited he now doesn't have access to the cards at the moment.
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Thanks for the help, but at this point he should not send me the cards i wanted.
He should send the cards SS bought though/ or cash
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I told him (in person) to send the cards weeks ago.
He had some living arrangement problems and ended up having to move out of one house and into another, but that was still a week or more later than the trades were made. He should have just send them immediately, but because he waited he now doesn't have access to the cards at the moment.
Thanks for the help and update. Would you advise me to continue to wait or to try and get the same cards through other trades? Does he still hope to send the cards or would he prefer to send the money back? What is your advice of what I should do? Again thanks for the help Lawfuldog.
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The event in mid-Sept is a district tour. If he shows up,we will give him grief. Side note to Chronic: I'm still enjoying the cards. How's the 360?
No problems with it at all. I haven't gotten a chance to use it much yet, but I will once I get a new ethernet cable.
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I'll inform him one more time, then let you know.