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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Unofficial Tournaments => Playgroup and Tournament Central => Redemption March Madness => Topic started by: Bryon on March 15, 2012, 01:30:04 AM
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Which is the better Redemption hero?
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Daniel all the way!
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Garden Tomb addicts :P
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I still vote for Daniel here, but it's a much more narrow margin. If I were of the persuasion to vote on deck rather than the Hero himself I'd vote for MMoJ.
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WHAT? How can you vote for Daniel?! A CBN four person band that stops Sabbath Breaker, Uzzah, and KoT? Not to mention the power of grabbing TGT, as well as having Herod's Temple protection. All you need is to flip up a Blue Tassels and you've stopped every single block in a T1 game.
I'm trying not to vote based on deck, but MMOJ is so much better if used to her full potential.
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WHAT? How can you vote for Daniel?! A CBN four person band that stops Sabbath Breaker, Uzzah, and KoT? Not to mention the power of grabbing TGT, as well as having Herod's Temple protection. All you need is to flip up a Blue Tassels and you've stopped every single block in a T1 game.
I'm trying not to vote based on deck, but MMOJ is so much better if used to her full potential.
Much the same could be said about Danny+Mike. If you're going by Hero vs. Hero, Danny does what the four garden girls do all by himself, except tutoring TGT, which is unnecessary for him.
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WHAT? How can you vote for Daniel?! A CBN four person band that stops Sabbath Breaker, Uzzah, and KoT? Not to mention the power of grabbing TGT, as well as having Herod's Temple protection. All you need is to flip up a Blue Tassels and you've stopped every single block in a T1 game.
I'm trying not to vote based on deck, but MMOJ is so much better if used to her full potential.
Much the same could be said about Danny+Mike. If you're going by Hero vs. Hero, Danny does what the four garden girls do all by himself, except tutoring TGT, which is unnecessary for him.
Except Daniel is not of pure blood. He has green in him. A green character should not win the white category. Yes, I voted again out of spite (my only votes this tournament aside from one curiosity vote).
I will continue to be bitter that a multi-colored hero is stealing White's spot in the finals/semifinals/quarterfinals/whatever-it-is-called-when-there-is-only-one-hero-from-each-brigade. It is not right and should have been stopped long ago. I'm not even sure why multi-colored heroes were mixed with the pure colors.
Daniel may win it all, but I will continue to vote so that I can continue to complain about the travesty that has happened to white. ;)
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I love Daniel, he's an awesome hero, and since I rank by the hero and not by the deck It's a tough call for me. But I went went MMoJ, becasue she essentially gains the abilities of the other Garden Girls since bands to all of them at once, that means she can stop horses, Uzzah, KoT and has enough characters in battle to where plot is not even a worry.
Sorry Daniel I love you, but I have to vote MMoJ here.
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Daniel also stops Uzzah and KoT, stops TAS and Sabbath Breaker besides, can also bring in a big enough band to sidestep Plot and the ability to snipe it out of deck, and while he doesn't stop Horses, he has his own play-first in the chain.
Daniel gets my vote because he does most of the job of the garden band by himself, plus a few extra goodies.
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I finally voted against Daniel for the first time this tournament. While I believe that he's a better hero than either Susanna or Salome, I think that Mary the Mother of James is really the backbone of TGT decks, and stands head and shoulders above every other TGT hero out right now.
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... and while he doesn't stop Horses, he has his own play-first in the chain.
What is that?
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Mike + Angels Sword I'm assuming.
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I will continue to vote for Daniel out of spite, because he wasn't put in Green. Also, if I may direct your attention to the first post, first line:
Which is the better Redemption hero?
Notice it doesn't say which is the better white hero. Daniel is the better Redemption hero because he doesn't rely on having 2-4 extra cards to be effective, not to mention the ability to negate ECs CBN is huge. His band gets around Balaam's Disobedience with Cheribum, Mike, or Gab, and can get around Grapes with a Wheel'd Angel. Hey, you can get around CM if you band to Daniel with Cheribum 1st. TGT may have Herod's Temple, but the Daniel band can stop a whole lot more, can get around the hardest card to avoid (Grapes), and he is one of the most versatile heroes, which is what I vote on.
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Notice it doesn't say which is the better white hero. Daniel is the better Redemption hero because he doesn't rely on having 2-4 extra cards to be effective, not to mention the ability to negate ECs CBN is huge.
The point of Redemption March Madness is to find who people think the best hero is, first the goal is to find the best in each respective brigade. Daniel should have been in green, since he's better as a green hero.
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I will continue to vote for Daniel out of spite, because he wasn't put in Green. Also, if I may direct your attention to the first post, first line:
Which is the better Redemption hero?
Notice it doesn't say which is the better white hero. Daniel is the better Redemption hero because he doesn't rely on having 2-4 extra cards to be effective, not to mention the ability to negate ECs CBN is huge. His band gets around Balaam's Disobedience with Cheribum, Mike, or Gab, and can get around Grapes with a Wheel'd Angel. Hey, you can get around CM if you band to Daniel with Cheribum 1st. TGT may have Herod's Temple, but the Daniel band can stop a whole lot more, can get around the hardest card to avoid (Grapes), and he is one of the most versatile heroes, which is what I vote on.
Sorry, but this seems inconsistent. You bash MMOJ because she's most effective with 2-4 other cards, and then say that Daniel doesn't need extra cards to be effective. Then everything you mention about Daniel is what he can accomplish when he bands to other characters. The fact of the matter is that MMOJ can be unblockable with just ONE card on the table (TGT) under the right circumstances. Do you anticipate Daniel winning many rescue attempts without banding to someone and/or using enhancements?
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Notice it doesn't say which is the better white hero. Daniel is the better Redemption hero because he doesn't rely on having 2-4 extra cards to be effective, not to mention the ability to negate ECs CBN is huge.
The point of Redemption March Madness is to find who people think the best hero is, first the goal is to find the best in each respective brigade. Daniel should have been in green, since he's better as a green hero.
Indeed, but it doesn't matter who is the best white Hero at this point, Daniel already threw that out the window when he beat Suzzy (last year said Suzzy > MMoJ, then Daniel should be > MMoJ). Looking at the big picture, Daniel is the better overall Hero.
Sorry, but this seems inconsistent. You bash MMOJ because she's most effective with 2-4 other cards, and then say that Daniel doesn't need extra cards to be effective. Then everything you mention about Daniel is what he can accomplish when he bands to other characters. The fact of the matter is that MMOJ can be unblockable with just ONE card on the table (TGT) under the right circumstances. Do you anticipate Daniel winning many rescue attempts without banding to someone and/or using enhancements?
Yes, but without that ONE card, MMoJ's power is almost negligible compared to Daniel by himself. Do you expect MMoJ to win many rescue attempts without TGT or her girls?
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Yes, quite easily. TGT is just putting the icing on the cake and salt in the wound.
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WHAT? How can you vote for Daniel?! A CBN four person band that stops Sabbath Breaker, Uzzah, and KoT? Not to mention the power of grabbing TGT, as well as having Herod's Temple protection. All you need is to flip up a Blue Tassels and you've stopped every single block in a T1 game.
I'm trying not to vote based on deck, but MMOJ is so much better if used to her full potential.
Much the same could be said about Danny+Mike. If you're going by Hero vs. Hero, Danny does what the four garden girls do all by himself, except tutoring TGT, which is unnecessary for him.
Except Daniel is not of pure blood. He has green in him. A green character should not win the white category. Yes, I voted again out of spite (my only votes this tournament aside from one curiosity vote).
I will continue to be bitter that a multi-colored hero is stealing White's spot in the finals/semifinals/quarterfinals/whatever-it-is-called-when-there-is-only-one-hero-from-each-brigade. It is not right and should have been stopped long ago. I'm not even sure why multi-colored heroes were mixed with the pure colors.
Daniel may win it all, but I will continue to vote so that I can continue to complain about the travesty that has happened to white. ;)
If Obama can be regarded as the first ever black president, I think it's fine for Daniel to be in the white category. :o
I will continue to vote for Daniel out of spite, because he wasn't put in Green. Also, if I may direct your attention to the first post, first line:
Which is the better Redemption hero?
Notice it doesn't say which is the better white hero. Daniel is the better Redemption hero because he doesn't rely on having 2-4 extra cards to be effective, not to mention the ability to negate ECs CBN is huge. His band gets around Balaam's Disobedience with Cheribum, Mike, or Gab, and can get around Grapes with a Wheel'd Angel. Hey, you can get around CM if you band to Daniel with Cheribum 1st. TGT may have Herod's Temple, but the Daniel band can stop a whole lot more, can get around the hardest card to avoid (Grapes), and he is one of the most versatile heroes, which is what I vote on.
Do you anticipate Daniel winning many rescue attempts without banding to someone and/or using enhancements?
In T1? Absolutely. But it's not even a fair comparison to not give Daniel any support, but give MMoJ TGT. If you were to give Daniel the best support card for Prophets, you can search through their deck and get rid of (in T1) their 1 EE (Plot) which will give you at least as many rescues as TGT will in a typical T1 game.
I also think people underestimate Daniel's ability to look at an opponent's hand. It is one of the most strategically beneficial abilities in the game. I know exactly what my opponent can (or can't do) and can respond to it in whichever way I see fit.
Let's not forget that in Real Redemption (T2), TGT is usually only good to make the 28/24 band CBN. Seraph, Daniel, Abednego, and Michael is a 28/27 CBN band with access to way more interrupts, and is easier to setup with Wheel.
I'll be sad to see Daniel go this round (unless he picks up some serious votes). I vow to forever have an active deck (i.e. one that I update with each new set and play with occasionally) built with him in it for the rest of my Redemption career, because of everything he's done for me and to commemorate his historic run through three of the vile TGT chicks, ultimately being defeated by their heartless mastermind.
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I can't believe Daniel is going to lose here. We're looking at a conditional CBN band and ignore (that's not on the character) V.S. a multi brigade hero that can only be targeted by OT enhancements and a banding/look at hand ability that is ALL CBN!!!
This is bugging me that he lost more than some of the other matchups.
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I can't believe Daniel is going to lose here. We're looking at a conditional CBN band and ignore (that's not on the character) V.S. a multi brigade hero that can only be targeted by OT enhancements and a banding/look at hand ability that is ALL CBN!!!
This is bugging me that he lost more than some of the other matchups.
White/Green isn't really worth that much at all. Neither is the banding. And MMoJ essentially gains all the other abilities of TGT ladies.
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I can't believe Daniel is going to lose here. We're looking at a conditional CBN band and ignore (that's not on the character) V.S. a multi brigade hero that can only be targeted by OT enhancements and a banding/look at hand ability that is ALL CBN!!!
This is bugging me that he lost more than some of the other matchups.
There's only one N.T. enhancement that's not CBP that's even semi-common. A white/Green deck has no synergy other than Daniel, which is rather weak. The look at hand is almost completely irrelevant because by that point it's already too late. Pre-rescue is the only good look at hand ability.
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MMOJ is vastly superior. This whole "hero" vs. "hero" idea is ridiculous. Redemption isn't played in a vacuum. You have to look at the surroundings in the deck, meta, etc. And Daniel's surroundings are terrible compared to MMOJ.
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You are now reading my post in Star Wolf's voice:
I.... CAN'T..... LOOOOOOOOOSE!