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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Unofficial Tournaments => Playgroup and Tournament Central => Redemption March Madness => Topic started by: Bryon on March 02, 2012, 08:12:02 PM
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Which is the better Redemption hero?
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Watchful Servant all the way. His SA doesn't just win battles, it wins games. (and 3rd at Nats).
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Servant is only good if opponent is decked. Which is pretty much never.
Well Woman is hands down one of the best toolbox characters in the game. Producing Lost Souls is one of the most important abilities ever created for this game. Initiative, female, and access to a slew of immensely helpful territory functions (Jar, Meeting the Messiah) round her out.
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Servant is only good if opponent is decked. Which is pretty much never.
I also voted for Woman, but I disagree with that last sentence. Pretty sure that's not true this season.
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This season has barely even started. >.>
I'm curious as to why that statement would not be true this season.
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Samuel.
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Speed decks have been around forever and certainly since the inception of Servant. The problem with Servant vs The Meta is if someone is near-decked, they're already shoving multiple win conditions down your throat while you have a largely conditional win condition to rely on until end-game. Servants only functional place is in a turtle, which can do mediocre consistently at best in a tournament environment. Honestly, Servant was a poorly conceived card based on what he was initially designed to hard counter.
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Servants only functional place is in a turtle, which can do mediocre consistently at best in a tournament environment.
Disagree. A WS can easily be splashed in for a long intense game for an automatic endgame win strategy. It often times isn't, but realistically wouldn't be a bad idea. Just throwing him into the territory will make people rethink things. Also,
This season has barely even started. >.>
Turtles are awesome, just you wait until they come after you. You can run, but the turtle always wins in the end. :maul:
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Servants only functional place is in a turtle, which can do mediocre consistently at best in a tournament environment.
Disagree. A WS can easily be splashed in for a long intense game for an automatic endgame win strategy.
Long games are few and far between. The only time you will see long games in todays meta are against turtles. And even then, you have roughly even odds of going to time. At which the only time Servant can possibly shine is maybe the last 5 minutes of a match. What does the opponents deck have to be at to get a Servant viably online? Pretty much depleted. As in, completely depleted. You still have to get decks under 4 cards left to come even close to walking through the majority of a regular meta defense. Do todays meta decks ever usually see the last 4 cards of their decks? Certainly not. Most have their answers to push for game within the first 50% of their deck. Sadly, Servants extremely conditional win condition is just simply out-aggro'd by almost ever other win condition in todays meta.
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Decking out is no longer synonymous with long games. If you block two rescue attempts, there's a good chance your opponent will deck out.
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I have yet to see that in todays meta, but that certainly was not the case last year. The biggest draw to speed decks is they can afford to make a rescue attempt every single turn, even if it is a feint. Unless that block being an absolute detrimental hit to their engine, speed decks can easily recover and go all aggro the very next turn.
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I have yet to see that in todays meta, but that certainly was not the case last year.
Then play more RTS, where it happens all the time. I can (and have) decked out in three turns with a Sam deck maybe once in every five games, and I deck out within five turns three out of every five games.
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3 out of 5 is barely over half <.< I'm also sure that statistic does not even come close to applying to other meta decks, which was my argument in the first place...not just a Sam deck specifically.
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Watchful Servant:
Gets the all-important initiative v. lone Gomer and Uzzah
Autowins if opponent decks
Protected from Writ and Charms
Woman at the Well:
Soulgens, though at a cost of being plus 1 to opponent
Can force Gomer or Uzzah into territory to be Grailed
This is another tight matchup, but WS's complete impunity to the meta-defense (other than KoT which both are weak to) beats out Woman's soulgen.