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Title: Round 1: 4. Philistine Armorbearer vs. 5. Simon the Magician
Post by: Professoralstad on April 07, 2011, 12:47:19 PM
Vote now!

WINNER: 5. Simon the Magician
Title: Re: Round 1: Philistine Armorbearer vs. Simon the Magician
Post by: Minister Polarius on April 07, 2011, 01:27:37 PM
This one should be no contest. Simon has a shot at the top 8.
Title: Re: Round 1: Philistine Armorbearer vs. Simon the Magician
Post by: Professoralstad on April 07, 2011, 01:29:22 PM
This one should be no contest. Simon has a shot at the top 8.

He has some pretty formidable competition in his own brigade. If he was Pale Green with the same ability, then I'd say he'd for sure be elite.
Title: Re: Round 1: Philistine Armorbearer vs. Simon the Magician
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 07, 2011, 01:31:30 PM
He can use Magic Charms, and Samaritan Water Jar (if converted). That's awesome. Not to mention his CBN against disciples (providing Peter isn't out...) and TGT ladies. I think he'll have a tough time against Goliath though, as there's a lot of new card hype.
Title: Re: Round 1: Philistine Armorbearer vs. Simon the Magician
Post by: Professoralstad on April 07, 2011, 01:33:46 PM
He can use Magic Charms, and Samaritan Water Jar (if converted). That's awesome. Not to mention his CBN against disciples (providing Peter isn't out...) and TGT ladies. I think he'll have a tough time against Goliath though, as there's a lot of new card hype.

But CBN doesn't help much when all of the Disciples are protected from everything. Still, I agree that he's probably the single best TGT ladies counter in the game.
Title: Re: Round 1: Philistine Armorbearer vs. Simon the Magician
Post by: Minister Polarius on April 07, 2011, 01:42:08 PM
I can't wait for a Crimson/PG Simon.
Title: Re: Round 1: Philistine Armorbearer vs. Simon the Magician
Post by: BubbleBoy on April 07, 2011, 03:19:05 PM
Seriously? Armorbearer can recur one of the best ECs in the game, as well as dig him out of the draw pile. Simon is very good, but with so many using disciples he is quite unreliable.
Title: Re: Round 1: Philistine Armorbearer vs. Simon the Magician
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 07, 2011, 03:31:06 PM
Seriously? Armorbearer can recur one of the best ECs in the game, as well as dig him out of the draw pile. Simon is very good, but with so many using disciples he is quite unreliable.
Goliath isn't printed yet.  :-*
Title: Re: Round 1: Philistine Armorbearer vs. Simon the Magician
Post by: Alex_Olijar on April 07, 2011, 05:12:46 PM
Seriously? Armorbearer can recur one of the best ECs in the game, as well as dig him out of the draw pile. Simon is very good, but with so many using disciples he is quite unreliable.

And Armorbearer IS reliable? lol
Title: Re: Round 1: Philistine Armorbearer vs. Simon the Magician
Post by: BubbleBoy on April 07, 2011, 06:24:19 PM
And Armorbearer IS reliable? lol
How would he not be considered so?
Title: Re: Round 1: Philistine Armorbearer vs. Simon the Magician
Post by: Dario Dante on April 07, 2011, 08:23:10 PM
Philly Armor Bearer FTW  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Round 1: Philistine Armorbearer vs. Simon the Magician
Post by: TheHobbit13 on April 07, 2011, 08:50:05 PM
And Armorbearer IS reliable? lol
How would he not be considered so?

Nazereth.
Title: Re: Round 1: Philistine Armorbearer vs. Simon the Magician
Post by: BubbleBoy on April 07, 2011, 10:40:11 PM
And Armorbearer IS reliable? lol
How would he not be considered so?

Nazereth.
Nazareth doesn't protect the d/c pile.
Title: Re: Round 1: Philistine Armorbearer vs. Simon the Magician
Post by: TheHobbit13 on April 08, 2011, 11:53:10 AM
Have fun getting him out.
Title: Re: Round 1: Philistine Armorbearer vs. Simon the Magician
Post by: stefferweffer on April 08, 2011, 12:46:10 PM
Seriously? Armorbearer can recur one of the best ECs in the game, as well as dig him out of the draw pile. Simon is very good, but with so many using disciples he is quite unreliable.
Are you saying this because of Peter?  So in your opinion, having an EC in my deck whose enhancements cannot be negated against all of your Disciples is not a good thing because you might eventually get Peter out?  I guess this part just eludes me.  It would seem to me that until you get Peter out, and can keep him out, that Simon gives you serious concern.  The fact that everyone plays Disciples now (and NT females) is even GREATER reason to use Simon, in my opinion, and why I voted for him.
Title: Re: Round 1: Philistine Armorbearer vs. Simon the Magician
Post by: Professoralstad on April 08, 2011, 01:24:19 PM
The interesting thing is, PAB sees play in every Philistine deck. Simon sees play in 90% of Philistine decks, assuming the player uses JiP or Wrath, and not just negates. Simon will also see play in some magician decks, and most Sadducee defenses. Being a black magician makes him kind of a jack of all trades.
Title: Re: Round 1: Philistine Armorbearer vs. Simon the Magician
Post by: soul seeker on April 08, 2011, 01:59:17 PM
The interesting thing is, PAB sees play in every Philistine deck. Simon sees play in 90% of Philistine decks, assuming the player uses JiP or Wrath, and not just negates. Simon will also see play in some magician decks, and most Sadducee defenses. Being a black magician makes him kind of a jack of all trades.

So I wonder what your vote is if this ends in a tie.   ::)

Once Simon is discarded then he is gone for good.  PAB comes back again and again to haunt the opponent.*  I "fear" an opponent's PAB more than I do Simon.


* Yes I know of the tired old argument, "but there is Nazareth."  Honestly, there is faultiness in that logic.**  So PAB will continue to be effective.

** 1) Many who use that logic are predominantly Type 2 players who are biased. 
     2) Type 1 rarely sees splashed in sites.  Typically a defense is built around sites if they do exist in Type 1 which means greater problems for a player than a simple PAB vs. Naz matchup.
    3) PAB often has a greater chance of coming out (and or Land Dispute) before a splashed in site for Type 1 or a dedicated site defense in Type 2 (where 5 PAB & 3 Outposts outnumber 3  Naz sites)
Title: Re: Round 1: 4. Philistine Armorbearer vs. 5. Simon the Magician
Post by: SomeKittens on April 08, 2011, 02:40:20 PM
Incidentally, PAB is an exchange ability.  I thought Naz stopped search, and that search =/= exchange.
Title: Re: Round 1: Philistine Armorbearer vs. Simon the Magician
Post by: Professoralstad on April 08, 2011, 03:25:57 PM
So I wonder what your vote is if this ends in a tie.   ::)

I already voted...I guess I didn't know the proper protocol. I guess ties will have to be decided by coin flips...so that part might be more like college football than basketball... ::)

Title: Re: Round 1: 4. Philistine Armorbearer vs. 5. Simon the Magician
Post by: Dario Dante on April 08, 2011, 05:10:09 PM
Vote for Philly Armor Bearer!!!
Title: Re: Round 1: 4. Philistine Armorbearer vs. 5. Simon the Magician
Post by: Minister Polarius on April 08, 2011, 09:41:23 PM
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Type 1 rarely sees splashed in sites.  Typically a defense is built around sites if they do exist in Type 1 which means greater problems for a player than a simple PAB vs. Naz matchup.
lol wut
Title: Re: Round 1: 4. Philistine Armorbearer vs. 5. Simon the Magician
Post by: soul seeker on April 09, 2011, 12:29:45 AM
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Type 1 rarely sees splashed in sites.  Typically a defense is built around sites if they do exist in Type 1 which means greater problems for a player than a simple PAB vs. Naz matchup.
lol wut
Maybe I confused you with my condensed version because I didn't want to type out everything below.

In all my experience playing Redemption, I rarely, if ever, see sites of a single color splashed into decks (Semi-exception: Hormah but PO made that a rarity now.)

If sites are in a Type 1 deck, then it is highly probable that it is a site defense.  If it is a site defense, then Nazareth is the least concern for a player with PAB.  They will have to worry about how their offense will break through the defense and sites, since most site decks have smaller offenses like Zebby.  Those small offenses are prepared for things like PAB and those plans often don't include Nazareth.

That was what I was trying to say in a condensed way.
Title: Re: Round 1: 4. Philistine Armorbearer vs. 5. Simon the Magician
Post by: Minister Polarius on April 09, 2011, 12:43:57 AM
Yep, still wut worthy. I would have said that pre-Di, but have you played at all since it came out?
Title: Re: Round 1: 4. Philistine Armorbearer vs. 5. Simon the Magician
Post by: soul seeker on April 09, 2011, 01:41:58 AM
Yep, still wut worthy. I would have said that pre-Di, but have you played at all since it came out?

I will admit that my regular game playing (which used to be predominantly online) has been severely limited (non-existent besides 2 games on the same night in 7 months) since the start of my Masters (right after Nationals).  I still find it difficult to believe that it is "wut" worthy or that sites (1 to 3 depending if Nazzy needs the protection of CP and/or Golgotha to counter ignore) are now taking up valuable card slots through splashing in T1.  Then again maybe, just maybe, I have truly fallen off the map and into n00b status in a short 7 months, and I will get embarrassed at every big tournament that I plan to travel too this summer.

If so, then I'm a n00b who deserves a solid "lolwut".  My response:  :dunno:  life will go on. 
Title: Re: Round 1: 4. Philistine Armorbearer vs. 5. Simon the Magician
Post by: EmJayBee83 on April 09, 2011, 08:49:35 AM
Yep, still wut worthy. I would have said that pre-Di, but have you played at all since it came out?
I still find it difficult to believe that it is "wut" worthy or that sites (1 to 3 depending if Nazzy needs the protection of CP and/or Golgotha to counter ignore) are now taking up valuable card slots through splashing in T1.
Every top caliber T1 deck* I have seen since Disciples has comes out includes Golgotha. Since it shuts down TGT without requiring you to play a large defense and its protect fort, it actually saves valuable card slots. CP is played in a major chunk of those decks as well (no need for a protect fort and it keeps Golgotha safe). Nazareth is HUGE in T2, but I am not so sure about T1 although it does get some play. Chorizin? Not so much. I believe Pol assessment is closer to being correct.

*By "every top caliber T1 deck" I mean--"more than 80% of T1 decks that have placed in tournaments around here."
Title: Re: Round 1: 4. Philistine Armorbearer vs. 5. Simon the Magician
Post by: TheHobbit13 on April 09, 2011, 11:32:46 AM
It all depends on your meta. I you are playing against a civ NT defense then sure you will see these sites. If your not then you won't. Personally I think most of them are a waste of space in type one. I prefer fast.
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