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Title: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Bryon on March 28, 2011, 10:10:34 AM
Which is the better Redemption hero?
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Warrior_Monk on March 28, 2011, 10:23:50 AM
Jacob never should have made it this far. This should be a blow out.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: drb1200 on March 28, 2011, 10:26:42 AM
Jacob never should have made it this far. This should be a blow out.
+1
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Prof Underwood on March 28, 2011, 10:47:45 AM
Susanna is critical for TGT.  Jacob is critical for Genesis.  TGT is stronger than Genesis (although TGT is hurting now with Golgotha).
Natural brigade point = Susanna

Susanna is probably not going to be splashed into anything.  Jacob is great in an Angel deck and a speed deck.
Splashibility = Jacob

Susanna helps your offense (getting card from top) and defense (putting LSs on bottom).  Jacob helps your offense (banding, ignore, CTB, BTN, discard, etc.) and your defense (stealing a site).
Versatility = Jacob

Susanna usually gets initiative due to low numbers.  Jacob ALWAYS gets initiative due to his play first SA.
Initiative = Jacob

Susanna can't win by herself, and can't win without GEs.  Jacob can't win by himself, but CAN win without GEs (by banding).
Raw power = Jacob

Winner (4-1) = Jacob
This is not even close, I'm surprised Susanna made it this far.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: STAMP on March 28, 2011, 10:58:25 AM
Neither one.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on March 28, 2011, 10:59:13 AM
Oh susanna!
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Minister Polarius on March 28, 2011, 11:03:55 AM
Susanna is critical for TGT.  Jacob is critical for Genesis.  TGT is stronger than Genesis (although TGT is hurting now with Golgotha).
Natural brigade point = Susanna

Susanna is probably not going to be splashed into anything.  Jacob is great in an Angel deck and a speed deck.
Splashibility = Jacob

Susanna helps your offense (getting card from top) and defense (putting LSs on bottom).  Jacob helps your offense (banding, ignore, CTB, BTN, discard, etc.) and your defense (stealing a site).
Versatility = Jacob

Susanna usually gets initiative due to low numbers.  Jacob ALWAYS gets initiative due to his play first SA.
Initiative = Jacob

Susanna can't win by herself, and can't win without GEs.  Jacob can't win by himself, but CAN win without GEs (by banding).
Raw power = Jacob

Winner (4-1) = Jacob
This is not even close, I'm surprised Susanna made it this far.
QFT
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Red on March 28, 2011, 11:07:48 AM
Susanna is better. She deck thins and buries LS with great numbers. Jacob doesn't have any of that. She also is NT and female.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on March 28, 2011, 11:22:26 AM
Should be Susypoo v Mawzuhz
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Alex_Olijar on March 28, 2011, 11:42:48 AM
I vote for Generous Widow or Watchful Servant.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Michael_of_the_Star on March 28, 2011, 12:12:48 PM
Susanna is better. She deck thins and buries LS with great numbers. Jacob doesn't have any of that. She also is NT and female.

Also few things.

Susanna have the capability to assess to all lost souls. Jacob don't.
Lost Soul accessibility= Susanna

Susanna have one of the best art and effect
Visualization= Susanna

Susanna and Jacob both can have a lot of initiative; however, if you are to splash Jacob into a silver deck or speed deck, you would not happen to have all Blue Genesis Enhancement. Therefore, initiative still would be Susanna.

Lastly, Susanna is foil, Jacob is not. (LOL)

Thanks.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Cpt.Jaeger on March 28, 2011, 12:39:19 PM
Susanna is better. She deck thins and buries LS with great numbers. Jacob doesn't have any of that. She also is NT and female.

QFT

I can't begin to say how many souls I buried in T2 recently with her
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Prof Underwood on March 28, 2011, 12:42:31 PM
Susanna have the capability to assess to all lost souls. Jacob don't.
Lost Soul accessibility= Susanna
Considering how many people are playing with NT and female heroes these days, putting the NT-only or Female-only LS in your deck like putting a no-SA LS in your deck.  So those souls are no longer relevant, and therefore, neither is this distinction between Jacob and Susanna.

Susanna have one of the best art and effect
Visualization= Susanna
I don't pick best hero based on what the card art looks like.  But if I did, then Jacob would totally win.  Jacob is actually wrestling with an angel in the picture.  You can't even tell which of the 4 women sitting there listening to Jesus is Susanna in her picture.

Susanna and Jacob both can have a lot of initiative; however, if you are to splash Jacob into a silver deck or speed deck, you would not happen to have all Blue Genesis Enhancement. Therefore, initiative still would be Susanna.
If you splash Jacob into a silver deck, then you don't need Genesis Enhancements for him because he can just band to all your angels and you can use silver enhancements.  And if you include enhancements in their own brigade, then Jacob has better initiative because it's automatic.

Lastly, Susanna is foil, Jacob is not. (LOL)
That is also a point for Jacob in that his card is more likely to be in mint condition instead of all warped like all the TexP cards.

I can't believe that so many people are voting for Susanna here.  It smacks of conspiracy, because logically Jacob is a FAR better hero in Redemption.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Alex_Olijar on March 28, 2011, 12:44:25 PM
Jacob isn't even good? He has arguably one of the most easibly countered abilities in today's meta (playing, banding, by extention ignoring, converting in territory, or searching). Susanna has a CBN ability that is not protected against by anything. That alone gives her the win to me.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on March 28, 2011, 12:46:57 PM
Susana is able to use useful enhancements. Point to Suzy.
Suzy is able to do something useful with her SA. Point to Suzy.
AA makes you vote for Suzy. Point to Suzy.
Suzy helps both offense and defense. Jacob helps your opponent (by clogging your deck with garbage). Point to Suzy.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Michael_of_the_Star on March 28, 2011, 12:54:34 PM
Susanna have the capability to assess to all lost souls. Jacob don't.
Lost Soul accessibility= Susanna
Considering how many people are playing with NT and female heroes these days, putting the NT-only or Female-only LS in your deck like putting a no-SA LS in your deck.  So those souls are no longer relevant, and therefore, neither is this distinction between Jacob and Susanna.

Well sorry, not every is so rich that they can buy eight tins and eight disciples to build  deck with new lost souls. I am still using NT only, female only and often */4 lost souls. If you would play Brandon, he would blow your mind with souls from the Warrior sets.

Jacob isn't even good? He has arguably one of the most easibly countered abilities in today's meta (playing, banding, by extention ignoring, converting in territory, or searching). Susanna has a CBN ability that is not protected against by anything. That alone gives her the win to me.

I love cards that said cannot be negated or cannot be prevented. These cards allow us to do things we want and no one can stop. Even just with Susanna by it self, we can do a mini speed with her. Haven't you seen people just go in with Susanna for battle challenge and just take a peak at the top of the deck. That helped me a lot with Son of God and New Jerusalem.

Yeah that is right, Susanna help me won a game for revealing Son of God, while Jacob do nothing of these. Thanks.

ML.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Warrior_Monk on March 28, 2011, 01:05:33 PM
Prof, the main problem with your point system is that all of the points are the same. Here's how it should be:

Natural Brigade:
White is arguably the best good brigade in the game, but we'll say second, because that seems to be the common vote. 7 points (out of 8).
Blue is not close to that. In fact, of the best brigades, it has the least points, and wouldn't have any points if not for RDT feeling bad that everybody agrees that it's not the best.
2 points (and that's being generous)

Splashability:
Susy can't be splashed...at all.
0 points
Jacob is good in old school speed and FBTN
1 point (I'm not even sure I'd give him that much, considering there are about 3 people who play splash decks that are actually competitive. Everything is brigades and themes now)

Initiative:
Susy has 1 offense. That's pretty crazy.
3 points Susy
Jacob has 6 offense and 5 defense. He gets to play a genesis enhancement, but after that will give the opponent plenty of initiative.
3 points Jacob

Raw power:
If Susy doesn't have any enhancement support, she can pretty easily grab it, and possibly win the game by looking for Soggy or an enhancement
2 points Susy
If Jacob doesn't have any enhancement support, he has to band to Captain...and if there isn't Captain, then he's basically worthless
1 point Jacob
If Susy doesn't have any character or enhancement support, she's worthless.
0 points
If Jacob doesn't have any character or enhancement support, he's worthless
0 points.

Susy=12
Jacob=7
If I counted right. Susanna is definitely better.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: SomeKittens on March 28, 2011, 01:42:16 PM
That really should have been Thad up there, I'm sorry guys.  Of these two, I'm going to go with Susanna.  I'm biased there, as NT Purple/White is my favorite.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Tom Bombadil on March 28, 2011, 01:43:06 PM
Like so many others I am shocked that Jacob made it so far, I thought that Jacob would have lost a while back, I still think that Thaddeus should have made it to the final round, not Jacob, I can understand Susanna making it that far, but Jacob in my opinion shouldn't have. So if Susanna doesn't win this, then I will be truly shocked.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Warrior_Monk on March 28, 2011, 01:48:03 PM
It probably should have been Thad...but then again, it should have been Purdue...but I'm rooting for the one who beats those people! Go VCU and Susy!
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: SomeKittens on March 28, 2011, 01:50:47 PM
It probably should have been Thad...but then again, it should have been Purdue...but I'm rooting for the one who beats those people! Go VCU and Susy!
My playgroup made brackets, and one of our guys voted against Thad (even though he had him winning that round) so that the rest of us wouldn't get the points.  Thus, that particular vote wasn't decided by who was the better hero, but a bracket I decided to set up.  So, I apologize to the greater Redemption community.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Tom Bombadil on March 28, 2011, 02:21:43 PM
It probably should have been Thad...but then again, it should have been Purdue...but I'm rooting for the one who beats those people! Go VCU and Susy!
My playgroup made brackets, and one of our guys voted against Thad (even though he had him winning that round) so that the rest of us wouldn't get the points.  Thus, that particular vote wasn't decided by who was the better hero, but a bracket I decided to set up.

I was one of the guys in the group that had Thad winning it all, so did Somekittens, what made matters worse in that opinion is the fact that despite the guy voting against Thad, they still tied and the win was given to the other person, where if the person in our group didn't do that then Thad would have in fact won.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Bryon on March 28, 2011, 02:44:16 PM
Captain probably would have beaten Thad.  Then again, I was sure that Captain would beat Susanna.

There seems to be a lot of love for the white ladies in the online Redemption community!
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: SomeKittens on March 28, 2011, 02:47:47 PM
Mods, feel free to delete this if it's deemed inappropriate, but it's become a submeme in our group:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGQ-ISsDm8M
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Warrior_Monk on March 28, 2011, 02:49:57 PM
Redemption is surprisingly derived of female players, I figure if the best hero is a female, maybe it'll attract more?

Besides, the best brigade is white. She's the best hero of the best brigade. Although Thad is the hero of the best theme.

And Captain isn't that good, despite all the love for him. 12FG (which is in 2 out of 3 of my decks, and the deck it isn't in has 5 Haman's Plots and 5 Gib's Tricks) shuts down Captain cold.

The Generous Widow should be here instead of Jacob. That was a crazy upset...what is with my picks losing in the second round? Pitts, Purdue, Gen Widow, Joiada...
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: JonathanW on March 28, 2011, 04:33:09 PM
I vote Jacob :)
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Alex_Olijar on March 28, 2011, 04:33:43 PM
It probably should have been Thad...but then again, it should have been Purdue...but I'm rooting for the one who beats those people! Go VCU and Susy!
My playgroup made brackets, and one of our guys voted against Thad (even though he had him winning that round) so that the rest of us wouldn't get the points.  Thus, that particular vote wasn't decided by who was the better hero, but a bracket I decided to set up.  So, I apologize to the greater Redemption community.

I consider it my fault. I was constantly switching votes in order to keep it tied so that Thad wouldn't win.

Captain probably would have beaten Thad.  Then again, I was sure that Captain would beat Susanna.

No.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Prof Underwood on March 28, 2011, 04:49:19 PM
Prof, the main problem with your point system is that all of the points are the same. Here's how it should be:
That's a fair criticism.  Let's go back and look a little closer.

Natural brigade:  Disciples, TGT, Z-temple, Genesis, Angels, Prophets, Red Warriors, Judges.
Susanna = 7 pts
Jacob = 5 pts

Splashability:
Susy can't be splashed...at all = 0 pts
Jacob is good in old school speed and FBTN and Angels = 3 pts

Versatility:
Susy helps offense by drawing good cards faster (only 1 thing, but great) = 2 pts
Susy helps defense by hiding LSs on the bottom (only 1 thing, but great) = 2 pts
Jacob helps offense by ignore, CTB, BTN, discard (4 things, but counterable) = 4 pts
Jacob helps defense by stealing sites (great, but site lock is dead) = 1 pt

Initiative:
Susy has 1 offense = 4pts
Jacob has play pre-block = 5pts

Raw power:
Susy w/o GE MIGHT draw one = 1 pt
Jacob w/o GE can band to someone/s ftw = 3pts
Susy w/o GE or other characters = 0 pts
Jacob w/o GE or other characters = 0 pts

Susy=16
Jacob=21

I still say that Jacob is a far better hero.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Crashfach2002 on March 28, 2011, 05:16:23 PM
Told you that whoever won between Susanna & Thad would win the whole thing!   :P
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Bryon on March 28, 2011, 05:35:56 PM
"Which is the better hero" means different things at different times in the game.  Often, The Strong Angel is far better in the first 2-3 turns of the game than Captain, who is better than Jacob, who is better than Susanna, who is better than Thad.

In the endgame, the rating is pretty close to the exact reverse.


Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: The M on March 28, 2011, 05:50:08 PM
I vote Jacob :)

He should be your worst favorite!
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Warrior_Monk on March 28, 2011, 07:17:27 PM
Prof, the main problem with your point system is that all of the points are the same. Here's how it should be:
That's a fair criticism.  Let's go back and look a little closer.

Natural brigade:  Disciples, TGT, Z-temple, Genesis, Angels, Prophets, Red Warriors, Judges.
Susanna = 7 pts
Jacob = 5 pts
I thought this was about brigades, not themes. If you throw in themes, than Job is the main blue theme. And you have judges instead of samaritans? Samaritans are better than judges (and better than genesis). I'd definitely put red above genesis. The meta has changed a lot with disciples...
Splashability:
Susy can't be splashed...at all = 0 pts
Jacob is good in old school speed and FBTN and Angels = 3 pts

Versatility:
Susy helps offense by drawing good cards faster (only 1 thing, but great) = 2 pts
Susy helps defense by hiding LSs on the bottom (only 1 thing, but great) = 2 pts
Jacob helps offense by ignore, CTB, BTN, discard (4 things, but counterable) = 4 pts
Jacob helps defense by stealing sites (great, but site lock is dead) = 1 pt
I agree with this.

Initiative:
Susy has 1 offense = 4pts
Jacob has play pre-block = 5pts
Conditional preblock. And once they do block, Jacob gets owned with initiative, whereas Susy will probably play as many enhancements as she likes...

Raw power:
Susy w/o GE MIGHT draw one = 1 pt
Jacob w/o GE can band to someone/s ftw = 3pts
Susy w/o GE or other characters = 0 pts
Jacob w/o GE or other characters = 0 pts
Jacob MIGHT be able to band with someone's character. If nobody has silver out, tough. Plus, Susy's ability wins games, not just battles.

Susy=16
Jacob=21

I still say that Jacob is a far better hero.
I still say that Susy is a far better hero.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on March 28, 2011, 11:56:20 PM
I completely disagree that Job is the main blue theme. Anyway I voted for Jacob. Susanna is great, especially in type 1 because she hides lost souls, well first that takes having a good bit of N.T. females out in play, not too hard, but secondly it is easy to generate lost souls in type 1. She has great initiative, but Jacob can play pre-battle, or band. He doesn't require an enhancement, but he can make it btnb, steal a site, ignore, or ctb, just stating the main ones here. Without an enhancement Susanna gets KO'ed, she can't mutual destruction or anything, and her main enhancement to play is easily countered by Cov w/ Abraham. So saying Jacob's ability is easily countered, well what ca you play on Susanna? Blue has more battle winners/versatility than white in that aspect by far. Yes Susanna can search and possibly find a dominant, blue has Abraham's Descendant, Pillar at Bethel or whatever it's called, that can get and get back very crucial cards. Jacob can also be used in more than one deck, Susanna can only go in a N.T. female deck. Also once you deck out her ability is useless, Jacob's can always be used.
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If Susy doesn't have any enhancement support, she can pretty easily grab it, and possibly win the game by looking for Soggy or an enhancement
2 points Susy
You are putting way too much emphasis on just grabbing one card. Having only one card and your hand and attacking, when it's probably negateable knowing white, and saying you can win the game?
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If Jacob doesn't have any enhancement support, he has to band to Captain...and if there isn't Captain, then he's basically worthless
1 point Jacob
You can say this for any hero in the game. This is the most non valid point ever made. Almost any hero you can say, if he doesn't have enh support he's useless.
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If Susy doesn't have any character or enhancement support, she's worthless.
0 points
+1
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If Jacob doesn't have any character or enhancement support, he's worthless
0 points.
Once again, very bad reason for not giving any points.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Warrior_Monk on March 29, 2011, 12:04:38 AM
I was going off of Prof's points. For me, it pretty much comes down to brigade and usefulness in the brigade.

And what I meant by winning games was grabbing Son of God or NJ. I also lost to Gabe once because he grabbed the 2 Liner (I'll never forget that game...plot ripped, no NJ played, and half of the 2 liner rescued...4-5...at Nats...)
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: BubbleBoy on March 29, 2011, 12:45:37 AM
I'm surprised EITHER of these guys made it to the championship round. I think all the FbtN heroes are better than Jacob. And Thaddeus is head and shoulders better than all of these guys, which is why I voted for Jacob, since I still don't think Susanna should have made it past the inter-brigade round against Thaddeus.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: The Guardian on March 29, 2011, 12:55:56 AM
It would be interesting to simply have everyone submit a secret vote on who they think the best Hero in the game is.

I would be willing to compile such a tally if people want to PM me their votes.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Warrior_Monk on March 29, 2011, 01:00:49 AM
Thad would win it, hands down.

Susy would probably win second best hero though.

Captain would win third.

Moses or TSA would win fourth, with the fifth being the other.

Asahel might make a running for top 5 too...
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on March 29, 2011, 01:23:16 AM
^Seeing some of the opinions expressed, we'd probably see Susy and Phin in like 12-15 and the likes of Jacob and POC near the top :(. That being said I voted for Lois Lowry.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: soul seeker on March 29, 2011, 01:24:02 AM
If Thad wins the "secret vote" then we have a lot of Redemption players who can't think past their nose.  The latest flavor does not automatically mean best.  Frankly, I'm glad Thad didn't make it any further than he did.  Honestly, I voted against him every time because I think he is over-hyped.  Does he need counters, sure and the playtesters have promised it.  Is he the best...I think not.

Seriously, I remember when people used to complain how "broken" U&T was and a short 2 years later how often is that card actually used let alone talked about?
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Warrior_Monk on March 29, 2011, 01:40:02 AM
I never thought U&T was broken. Powerful, yes, but not broken.

Thad is definitely the best in T2. FWIW, I didn't vote for Thad in the secret ballot.

^Seeing some of the opinions expressed, we'd probably see Susy and Phin in like 12-15 and the likes of Jacob and POC near the top :(. That being said I voted for Lois Lowry.
I had Lois Lowry at third. I really wanted to give that hero higher, because it's definitely my favorite. Best though? Ehh.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Carl deuty on March 29, 2011, 01:11:06 PM
Susanna is the bomb because she can help your defense- magicians and demons
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: stefferweffer on March 29, 2011, 01:38:09 PM
I have mixed feelings on this whole thing.  It seems to me that so many of these heroes' special abilities are awesome BUT are contingent on so many other things.  Jacob is less contingent than Susanna, but the odds of either one of the "finalists" generating a first turn successful rescue attempt is so slim.  Thaddeus is that way too. 

Also, I didn't see a specification for Type 1 or Type 2.  Since 99% of my Redemption experience is Type 1, I'm likely to have very different answers than others.

But for me personally I think of a good hero as one who can get a lost soul on the first turn using only themself, and usually being useful for the rest of the game.  There was a neat thread a couple months back called "Your dream hand", asking what 8 cards you'd like to have in your opening hand.  Ironically most of the answers in that thread were NOT Jacob or Susanna, because they are weak without "support" - Angels to band to or Gen enhancements to play in Jacob's case.  Lots of NT heroes to add to "X" in Susanna's case.  But Susanna rescues two very common lost souls that Jacob can't touch too.

For first turn wins some are just hard to beat.  Obviously all the FBTN heroes of course, but especially Warriors COTH (because he is 10/10 AND cannot be captured by Unholy Writ or targeted by those "human hero" abilities) or my favorite, Warriors The Strong Angel, again for his big numbers and "angel" status, Unholy Writ can't touch, AND can rescue both the First Round Protect and NT Only lost souls.

Other good first round heroes are Phinehas 12/8 cannot be captured (and a popular CBN battle winner that most people fear), and NT Michael, 12/8 Angel with access to several lost souls and CBN enhancements.  Early banding chains can be tough to beat too, like Claudia, gold Simeon, Asahel, Tribal Elder, etc.

Anyway, I just wanted to point out, as others have, that neither our finalists nor the ever-popular Thaddeus are cards that I would consider all that helpful in my opening hand of a Type 1 game.

This is a neat idea.  Are we doing one for evil characters next?
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: soul seeker on March 29, 2011, 01:49:54 PM
Just a note on the reality of life that this past college basketball tournament has highlighted...the best team does not always win.  In the case of these heroes, the best hero does not always win.

Also in regards to redemption heroes, bad match-ups took out some great contenders early.  It was unfortunate, but I think it added some fun to what was going on.  For me, some of the most fun in this pretend tournament I had was debating/politicking with Ring Wraith for Jacob against Moses.  I didn't take it too serious and it was a good stress release.   


Just my n00bish thoughts.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Warrior_Monk on March 29, 2011, 02:38:12 PM
That was really fun.

I switched my vote to Lois Lowry.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: TheHobbit13 on March 29, 2011, 02:44:05 PM
Were the Heroes seeded? Or was it just arbitrary matchups?
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: soul seeker on March 29, 2011, 02:58:50 PM
Were the Heroes seeded? Or was it just arbitrary matchups?
They were seeded by the entries of the players.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: TheHobbit13 on March 29, 2011, 02:59:48 PM
Perhaps next year the elders should seed them.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: STAMP on March 29, 2011, 05:01:27 PM
Use double elimination.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Warrior_Monk on March 29, 2011, 05:25:42 PM
Next year Lois Lowry should win.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Professoralstad on March 29, 2011, 06:17:53 PM
Next year Lois Lowry should win.

I can't say for sure who will win next year, but I know that there will at least be a few more Heroes invited to the dance.  ::) Some of them might even make a Final Four appearance.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on March 29, 2011, 06:19:24 PM
Wow Andrew we failed. I just looked at my list and I didn't even nominate Ittai. He can use Eleazar's Sword, so he's better then Lois. Justin, change my vote.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Michael_of_the_Star on March 30, 2011, 01:45:42 PM
she can't mutual destruction or anything,

Oh yes she can, you haven't seen a Susanna with 13 defense yet, that is why. But if you have that much of female, she is fabulous.

Michael
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: SomeKittens on March 30, 2011, 01:46:45 PM
Toughness of 13 doesn't lead to MAD.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Michael_of_the_Star on March 30, 2011, 01:48:00 PM
Why, you have a better one? I wonder how many defense can Susanna go in a Type 1 Two player game.

ML
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on March 30, 2011, 01:52:04 PM
13 defense and 1 offense is good for stalemate, not mutual destruction.

unless your opponent's EC is */1.
Title: Re: Championship - Jacob or Susanna
Post by: SomeKittens on March 30, 2011, 01:52:54 PM
generally, if I go in with a 1/13, I win initiative via stalemate.

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