Author Topic: April Fools Championship: Assyrian Siege Army vs. Uzzah (Read 6271 times)

Professoralstad · « **on:** April 27, 2012, 03:15:26 PM »

Who is the better EC?

Red Wing · « **Reply #1 on:** April 27, 2012, 03:16:37 PM »

Uzzah for versatility.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #2 on:** April 27, 2012, 03:17:46 PM »

Assyrian Siege Army for versatility and sheer power.

Chris · « **Reply #3 on:** April 27, 2012, 03:22:55 PM »

Uzzah is vastly superior to ASA in T1: He has access to the best evil enhancement in the game, with the initiative to play it, he has an auto-block, and he can be splashed into pretty much any defense. Now ASA is better in T2 since Assyrians are top-tier there, but all of Uzzah's T1 attributes remain intact in T1, ASA just gains a major power boost. My vote goes to Uzzah.

Red Wing · « **Reply #4 on:** April 27, 2012, 03:25:17 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on April 27, 2012, 03:17:46 PM

Assyrian Siege Army for versatility and sheer power.

How is ASA versatile? He only works with another Assyrian out and needs Horses to play anything. Uzzah is a block in every deck with artifacts.

Arrthoa · « **Reply #5 on:** April 27, 2012, 03:28:27 PM »

Uzzah because of his ability and because i hate how ASA beat Neb my favorite Bab

Professoralstad · « **Reply #6 on:** April 27, 2012, 03:33:02 PM »

ASA makes it nearly impossible for people to successfully pilot decks that largely depend on a certain Artifact, Site or Fortress. Uzzah is just a nuisance that is good for one (maybe 2 if you're lucky) blocks in a game. And that's assuming your opponent doesn't attack with one of a zillion heroes that negate him.

Nameless · « **Reply #7 on:** April 27, 2012, 03:42:22 PM »

Uzzah is an auto block. ASA needs another Assyrian to do anything. I vote Uzzah.

galadgawyn · « **Reply #8 on:** April 27, 2012, 03:45:57 PM »

When I see Uzzah, I think great they took out their own evil character plus Artifact. I'm scared to see ASA and instead of having a card to counter Arts, and another to counter Forts, and another to counter sites, I can just use him.

I suppose Uzzah is better if you don't want your defense to last long but if your trying to actually stop their deck then ASA is better.

Chris · « **Reply #9 on:** April 27, 2012, 03:51:06 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on April 27, 2012, 03:33:02 PM

ASA makes it nearly impossible for people to successfully pilot decks that largely depend on a certain Artifact, Site or Fortress. Uzzah is just a nuisance that is good for one (maybe 2 if you're lucky) blocks in a game. And that's assuming your opponent doesn't attack with one of a zillion heroes that negate him.

This is bad logic. The only deck that will make a significant impact in the meta that relies on a specific artifact or fortress to do well is TGT, and that can survive without it. Sam, Disciples, Genesis, Gardensciples, etc. all thrive without one specific artifact or fort.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #10 on:** April 27, 2012, 05:14:46 PM »

Quote from: galadgawyn on April 27, 2012, 03:45:57 PM

I suppose Uzzah is better if you don't want your defense to last long but if your trying to actually stop their deck then ASA is better.

I think this actually sums it up well. For players who use little defense and are just stalling while trying to get to 5LSs first, Uzzah is the better option. He requires very little set up (either an artifact or Haman's Plot), and almost always gets 1 block. When playing a speed offense, that one block is all you need to get the upper hand and win the game.

However, for players who actually use a lot of defense and actually try to shut down an opponent's offense, ASA is the better option. He can take out opponent's fortresses, artifacts, and sites CBN. He's big enough to win battles just by numbers (ie. if opponent is attacking with Hur, just to draw cards).

In the end, Uzzah will get more blocks this year, but that's because he will be used in 80% of people's decks, and will get 1 block per game. Meanwhile ASA will be in 5% of people's decks and probably still only get 1 or 2 blocks per game (due to being an AotL magnet).

browarod · « **Reply #11 on:** April 27, 2012, 05:35:57 PM »

Neb (who should have beaten ASA) vs Uzzah would have actually been an interesting match-up. This one is just not even a contest, imo.

Uzzah for all the reasons people have already stated.

Master KChief · « **Reply #12 on:** April 27, 2012, 10:05:46 PM »

Uzzah.

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Arrthoa · « **Reply #13 on:** April 28, 2012, 01:15:24 PM »

Only 2 more days of voting left and it seems like Uzzah is gonna beat ASA.

Jmbeers · « **Reply #14 on:** April 28, 2012, 01:32:19 PM »

we all knew he would beat ASA, people are more inclined to vote for a card they actually use.

lp670sv · « **Reply #15 on:** April 28, 2012, 02:10:00 PM »

called it.

Chris · « **Reply #16 on:** April 28, 2012, 02:11:33 PM »

I don't think many people thought Uzzah would lose this, especially after Manny got knocked out.

lp670sv · « **Reply #17 on:** April 28, 2012, 02:31:25 PM »

I also called ASA being here though. So theres that.

JSB23 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 28, 2012, 11:05:04 PM »

One's a staple, the other's not.

Uzzah. no contest.

Wings of Music · « **Reply #19 on:** April 29, 2012, 01:09:44 AM »

Simimarly to everyone else I'm voting with the meta here, Uzzah. He's the most reliable auto-block in the game, and no matter how much damage I do to the opponent I just can't bring myself to vote against that.

stefferweffer · « **Reply #20 on:** April 30, 2012, 10:41:24 AM »

Consider my ASA vote just as much anti-Uzzah as pro-ASA. Since Uzzah has this won, what does this demonstrate about the current state of the game? Practically everyone is still splashing in the "auto-block" instead of actually playing a substantial defense (my apologies to any solid brown defense players). If, after all these expansions, these broken "meta defense" characters are still the "best", I for one am not encouraged, as I'm not a fan of "auto" anything. Even against FBTN, because he was printed in brown, he still plays another broken card (again in my opinion), Haman's Plot.

I short I was just hoping against hope that we had gotten past this stuff by now. Just stating an opinion from the minority.

Drrek · « **Reply #21 on:** April 30, 2012, 11:06:49 AM »

Quote from: stefferweffer on April 30, 2012, 10:41:24 AM

Consider my ASA vote just as much anti-Uzzah as pro-ASA. Since Uzzah has this won, what does this demonstrate about the current state of the game? Practically everyone is still splashing in the "auto-block" instead of actually playing a substantial defense (my apologies to any solid brown defense players). If, after all these expansions, these broken "meta defense" characters are still the "best", I for one am not encouraged, as I'm not a fan of "auto" anything. Even against FBTN, because he was printed in brown, he still plays another broken card (again in my opinion), Haman's Plot.

I short I was just hoping against hope that we had gotten past this stuff by now. Just stating an opinion from the minority.

Uzzah's win is not necessarily indicative of the current state of the game, since even those playing substantial use Uzzah, because there is just no reason not to. Uzzah is broken, and is the best EC in the game, whether you play real defense or not.

lp670sv · « **Reply #22 on:** April 30, 2012, 11:08:14 AM »

the word broken gets thrown around way too much around here.

Red Wing · « **Reply #23 on:** April 30, 2012, 11:09:22 AM »

Quote from: Drrek on April 30, 2012, 11:06:49 AM

Uzzah's win is not necessarily indicative of the current state of the game, since even those playing substantial use Uzzah, because there is just no reason not to.

This.

Quote from: lp670sv on April 30, 2012, 11:08:14 AM

the word broken gets thrown around way too much around here.

I agree. Broken is reserved for Buckler.

TechnoEthicist · « **Reply #24 on:** April 30, 2012, 11:40:23 AM »

Quote from: lp670sv on April 30, 2012, 11:08:14 AM

the word broken gets thrown around way too much around here.

Well if you quit throwing things they wouldn't break!

Chris · « **Reply #25 on:** April 30, 2012, 11:44:21 AM »

Uzzah's win doesn't necessarily offer an accurate view of the current state of the game, but let's be honest here, a good chunk of competitive players are running small defenses with Uzzah. Apparently, a lot of people from the MN region are running RDT's standalone pretty religiously. That said, I think Uzzah should win regardless of whether "substantial defense" rules the meta or not. Of all the defenses in the game, only a handful actually shut down the opposing offense to win the game. Most of the rest of them simply do their best to disable an offense and stall, the same way the meta defense does. Just because the meta does it better doesn't mean anything.

Josh · « **Reply #26 on:** April 30, 2012, 12:25:00 PM »

The meta defense evolved out of costless, conditionless cards that work well together and pack the most punch for the fewest amount of cards used.

Uzzah - Has no theme requirement or other cost/condition to use his ability, other than an extra artifact. If not negated, he gets a successful block every time. Discarding himself is no real cost compared to a free block.
Gomer - Has no theme requirement or other cost/condition to use her ability. CBN bands to about 99% of all useful ECs.
Am Slave - Has no theme requirement or other cost/condition to use his ability. Generates a soul, plus searches for a human EC (which are used in 100% of all defenses with Am Slave in it) with no testament/gender/other restrictions on that EC.
KoT - Has no theme requirement or other cost/condition to use his ability. Usually a free block early, and is more powerful with Gomer.
Sabbath Breaker - Has no theme requirement or other cost/condition to use his ability, other than discarding him after one block (which, again, doesn't matter to a speed player).

And 3 of the characters above are low-numbered Brown evil characters, which give them access to a Brown CBN discard-any-3-characters enhancement.

It's the meta defense, because if you could get more speed/blocks/efficiency out of a different set of 6 defensive cards, that other set of 6 would be the meta defense.

Chris · « **Reply #27 on:** April 30, 2012, 03:16:22 PM »

For the record, a lot of people are moving from Sabbath Breaker to Vittles, and rightly so, in my opinion.

STAMP · « **Reply #28 on:** April 30, 2012, 04:20:06 PM »

Quote from: Red Wing on April 30, 2012, 11:09:22 AM

Quote from: Drrek on April 30, 2012, 11:06:49 AM
Uzzah's win is not necessarily indicative of the current state of the game, since even those playing substantial use Uzzah, because there is just no reason not to.
This.
Quote from: lp670sv on April 30, 2012, 11:08:14 AM
the word broken gets thrown around way too much around here.
I agree. Broken is reserved for Buckler.

I disagree. Broken is reserved for:

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #29 on:** April 30, 2012, 05:07:47 PM »

Quote from: STAMP on April 30, 2012, 04:20:06 PM

Quote from: Red Wing on April 30, 2012, 11:09:22 AM
Quote from: lp670sv on April 30, 2012, 11:08:14 AM
the word broken gets thrown around way too much around here.
I agree. Broken is reserved for Buckler.
I disagree. Broken is reserved for:

I generally have avoided using ones that require a conversation to really get, but since this one is witty and also has an extra layer of spiritual meaning, I decided to defy convention.

lp670sv · « **Reply #30 on:** April 30, 2012, 05:17:21 PM »

Well I guess I got in to the thread. So thats something. It wasn't my joke, but i'll count it.

New Raven BR · « **Reply #31 on:** May 02, 2012, 01:00:52 AM »

Quote from: STAMP on April 30, 2012, 04:20:06 PM

Quote from: Red Wing on April 30, 2012, 11:09:22 AM
Quote from: Drrek on April 30, 2012, 11:06:49 AM
Uzzah's win is not necessarily indicative of the current state of the game, since even those playing substantial use Uzzah, because there is just no reason not to.
This.
Quote from: lp670sv on April 30, 2012, 11:08:14 AM
the word broken gets thrown around way too much around here.
I agree. Broken is reserved for Buckler.

I disagree. Broken is reserved for:

that is deep Stamp, but that is truth right there cause Christ broke the bread at the last supper and it symbolized his body and also when he was crucified his very own physical body was beaten, battered, puylverized, and just plain broken for OUR sake so he can show us the very unconditional, unlimited, powerful love that he had for the humanity that is his precious creation and it really does make you think, how can someone as powerful as Jesus die for me just like that and endure so much pain on the cross? simple, because; HE LOVES US

jbeers285 · « **Reply #32 on:** May 02, 2012, 01:39:12 AM »

this struck me tonight in a much needed way thanks

Bryon · « **Reply #33 on:** May 02, 2012, 02:59:18 AM »

Thank you, Stamp and New Raven.

Minion of Jesus · « **Reply #34 on:** May 02, 2012, 08:50:02 AM »

Quote from: New Raven BR on May 02, 2012, 01:00:52 AM

Quote from: STAMP on April 30, 2012, 04:20:06 PM
Quote from: Red Wing on April 30, 2012, 11:09:22 AM
Quote from: Drrek on April 30, 2012, 11:06:49 AM
Uzzah's win is not necessarily indicative of the current state of the game, since even those playing substantial use Uzzah, because there is just no reason not to.
This.
Quote from: lp670sv on April 30, 2012, 11:08:14 AM
the word broken gets thrown around way too much around here.
I agree. Broken is reserved for Buckler.

I disagree. Broken is reserved for:

that is deep Stamp, but that is truth right there cause Christ broke the bread at the last supper and it symbolized his body and also when he was crucified his very own physical body was beaten, battered, puylverized, and just plain broken for OUR sake so he can show us the very unconditional, unlimited, powerful love that he had for the humanity that is his precious creation and it really does make you think, how can someone as powerful as Jesus die for me just like that and endure so much pain on the cross? simple, because; HE LOVES US

Too true. The Body of Christ really should be better.

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Author Topic: April Fools Championship: Assyrian Siege Army vs. Uzzah (Read 6271 times)

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