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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Redemption® Resources and Thinktank => Topic started by: Jack Skellington on March 22, 2009, 10:26:00 PM
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ok so i do use a TGT offense......
and in the around 70 games ive played with it....i've used it's special ability a whopping 2 TIMES.........EVER.....
i mean is everyone seeing some hidden power that i'm not.....besides its own SA and the un-negatable band?
As far as annoying fortresses go.....isn't Judges Seat way more annoying?
i mean really?
just wondering
;)
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Re: Why is everyone so upset about The Garden Tomb....
'Cause it's bleeding OP'd!
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Re: Why is everyone so upset about The Garden Tomb....
'Cause it's bleeding OP'd!
my qusetion is.......why???
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Judges seat at least lets you block or just CM the hero.
With TGT, you can't EVEN BLOCK! That is why everyone hates it.
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and don't to mention it gets used against you like a traitor named judas iscariot
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and don't to mention it gets used against you like a traitor named judas iscariot
Was that supposed to be funny?
A Bob Dylan reference perhaps?
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I think it's a reference to a game we played a few months ago where my Claudia kept banding to his John to use his TGT to rescue souls uncontested. He immediately removed TGT from his deck and refuses to play with it anymore.
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I think it's a reference to a game we played a few months ago where my Claudia kept banding to his John to use his TGT to rescue souls uncontested. He immediately removed TGT from his deck and refuses to play with it anymore.
it is as a matter of fact.
after that i refuse to play TGT.
i'd rather find a way to kill it like MASK tries against speed
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then this just goes to show that it's not only good for the owner.......therefore it's slightly more balanced.....
I think it's a reference to a game we played a few months ago where my Claudia kept banding to his John to use his TGT to rescue souls uncontested. He immediately removed TGT from his deck and refuses to play with it anymore.
it is as a matter of fact.
after that i refuse to play TGT.
i'd rather find a way to kill it like MASK tries against speed
there are plenty ways to kill it easily.......
Judges seat at least lets you block or just CM the hero.
With TGT, you can't EVEN BLOCK! That is why everyone hates it.
you can use CM anyhow............and usually it only works if your opponent uses a big splash deck....or they have a bad draw all game......
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I think it's a reference to a game we played a few months ago where my Claudia kept banding to his John to use his TGT to rescue souls uncontested. He immediately removed TGT from his deck and refuses to play with it anymore.
it is as a matter of fact.
after that i refuse to play TGT.
You'd rather take Garden Tomb out than just put Wall of Protection in? o_O
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I think it's a reference to a game we played a few months ago where my Claudia kept banding to his John to use his TGT to rescue souls uncontested. He immediately removed TGT from his deck and refuses to play with it anymore.
it is as a matter of fact.
after that i refuse to play TGT.
You'd rather take Garden Tomb out than just put Wall of Protection in? o_O
haha lol
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I think it's a reference to a game we played a few months ago where my Claudia kept banding to his John to use his TGT to rescue souls uncontested. He immediately removed TGT from his deck and refuses to play with it anymore.
it is as a matter of fact.
after that i refuse to play TGT.
You'd rather take Garden Tomb out than just put Wall of Protection in? o_O
doesn't matter, TGT will fail it's users
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If "splash deck" means defenses of more than one color, then yes, that is why I don't like it. Why should there be one card that destroys a particular type of defense, and is also so hard to get rid of itself. Was "splash defense" overpowered before the Garden Tomb came out? Many EC elimination decks already had Jepthah, Women as Snares, Ark of the Covenant, and Holy Grail in them before Garden Tomb came out. Now those decks, in my humble, newbie opinion, are overpowered with the addition of Garden Tomb. But rather than change my favorite defense, I've decided to not change a thing, and when my opponent puts Garden Tomb into play I immediately congratulate my opponent and concede the game. It's just not a fun game (for me) if there are no actual battles, and I'd rather lose and start another game. The again I took Falling Away, Guardian of Your Souls, Harvest Time, and New Jerusalem out of all my decks too, because I play with many newer players who don't have those cards. And when I play someone who does have them I like the challenge. But this is just me. I wrote a long diatribe against Garden Tomb a few days ago, and actually got some really good ideas from other players on how to defend against it. But I decided I like my decks just the way they are. It's just a game anyway :)
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Why should there be one card that destroys a particular type of defense, and is also so hard to get rid of itself.
You mean like how Egyptian defense always have to worry about JTE (and freak out when they see Jochebed or a gold offense that recalls Drowning of Pharaoh’s Army a few times)?
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I would suggest that there are much easier ways to deal with, negate, or destroy the cards you mention, but actually getting rid of a New Testament fortress like Garden Tomb takes quite a feat. Actually Gold has one of the few evil cards that can negate it. But you make a good point that certain colors are vulnerable to one or two particular cards, but the Garden Tomb is far more versatile than the cards you mention, and an unfortunate opening draw (1 or less EC) for the opponent can spell doom from the start.
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Self + KoTW?
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Yes, this is one of the ways that was suggested to me. But then I realized that if the hero Self has copied is discarded or leaves play, so does Self. It still seemed a little fragile. If I were the Garden Tomb player I would likely Martyr my own hero just to discard Self. But thanks for pointing that defense out, as it is one of the best there is against Garden Tomb.
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Well if you dont like self in KoTW, then put one of your own EC in KotW and play a rogue defense. I pretty much play only rogue defenses now anyway so I dont have much of a problem with TGT but I know that a lot of people do play splash or standalone defenses so I like playing TGT for that reason. Until people wise up and play only 1 or 2 brigades, TGT is going to wreck them.
second, you have to have at least 1 LS for TGT to work against you plust you can use TGT against your opponent. Splash a little white in your offense and have fun.
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doesn't matter, TGT will fail it's users
Based on some of the feedback here, I'd say the opposite is true, that it works quite nicely for its users. It failed YOU maybe, but I'm not about to slam for example speed decks just because I've never built one that owned a tournament.
People have a similar complaint about Zeb decks but if you know what to look out for they can be dealt with also.
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z.temple decks i think shouldn't be a problem to kill
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First of all, being new, I have no idea what a "Rogue" defense is. Can someone please explain this term? Second, why does someone playing "splash" have to "wise up and play 1 or 2 brigades"? Are we saying that splash is wrong or somehow breaking the rules of the game? What I liked about splash is that it was actually doable in Redemption, as opposed to almost every other ccg out there. And now it is getting attacked, and I don't understand why. Isn't wondrous variety a good thing?
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First of all, being new, I have no idea what a "Rogue" defense is. Can someone please explain this term? Second, why does someone playing "splash" have to "wise up and play 1 or 2 brigades"? Are we saying that splash is wrong or somehow breaking the rules of the game? What I liked about splash is that it was actually doable in Redemption, as opposed to almost every other ccg out there. And now it is getting attacked, and I don't understand why. Isn't wondrous variety a good thing?
To call a defense "rogue" usually means it is either mono or a strategy outside of the current metagame.
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First of all, being new, I have no idea what a "Rogue" defense is.
I meant it as the single color defense
Second, why does someone playing "splash" have to "wise up and play 1 or 2 brigades"? Are we saying that splash is wrong or somehow breaking the rules of the game?
No, it is not wrong or illegal it's just met its match in TGT. You can still play it sucessfully, you just will have a hard time beating TGT
What I liked about splash is that it was actually doable in Redemption, as opposed to almost every other ccg out there. And now it is getting attacked, and I don't understand why. Isn't wondrous variety a good thing?
Yes, wondrous variety is good. But the standard multiplayer deck defense was a splash standalone defense. This card forces multiplayer decks to try to counter it, forcing the "wonderous variety" of defenses you speak of...just ina different way.
Splash defenses are also somewhat popular in 2 player games so those likewise will have to consider TGT. of course some will continue to play splash, but not as many as before.
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Also consider that many defenses has an offense that is their rival. For example, one of my decks' defense is purly based on capture (with only one discard hero enhancement). It went nicely until I first hit a Z-Temple deck. After that game, I didn't think that Z-Temple was OP or that my defense (whch was my main deck at the time) was now useless. I just added a card to my deck in case I do face a Z-temple deck again. All you really have to do is find it's weakness and exploit it with a couple of cards.
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thank you ALL for pointing out that some cards might seem overpowered at first but sitll have a variety of weeknesses and can be defated with a cartain process of thought.........................
this was what i was attempting to point out
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I should also note that there are many cards in recent sets that ENCOURAGE play with multiple brigades. So both the risk and the reward were increased. The main reason that splash was hit so hard was because people were pwning with splash characters (esp. on defense), and people needed a way to combat that. But at the same time, there's now more fun stuff to do with splash as well :)
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"there's now more fun stuff to do with splash as well"
Such as? Thanks.
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"there's now more fun stuff to do with splash as well"
Such as? Thanks.
all the new multicolored demons such as winged lion, the new bear ROCKS, the Terrifying beast and the winged leopard (a greek and A-Bom ooooh gives me chills)
The romans with rome encourage splash defenses especially with all their multicolored enhancements
The amalekites slave neatly bonds brown and evil gold.
Just a hireling and doctrine like leavan help bond the saducee and pharisee defense
just to name a few...
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I don't see a huge potential for use with the new multi-coloured demons; is that just me?
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I have not seen an Orange/Crimson Deck (Lion), an Orange/Brown Deck (Bear), or an Orange/Grey Deck (Beast). I have only seen those cards added to Babylonian Decks, Persian Decks, or a fully Orange deck. But those cards WOULD do better in multi-player I guess against Garden Tomb, because each extra color makes it more likely that there are two or more EC of a certain brigade in play. I will concede that the Emperors reference has validation, as it is truly splash (multi-color). I have never ever seen Amalakite's slave actually stay around to block. I suppose there are Pharisee + Sadducee decks out there (though I just use the latter), so Just a Hireling would work for those decks.
I guess I personally just don't consider two-color to be "splash" anyway (as opposed to rainbow), but something is better than nothing :)
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Are there cards that can discard or negate frotresses?
I myself am not a big fan of the Judges seat. It seems like a pretty powerful card. Is there any way around it if your opponant has it in play against me?
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There are - Battering Ram, Siegeworks, Besieged, Spreading Mildew, Set Fire, Romans Destroy Jerusalem, King Hazael, Assyria Conquers Israel.
You can also use smaller evil characters (I think Eli is the smallest judge at 4/4, so they'd have to decrease him to kill off all of your ECs) or choose a different EC to discard from the same brigade. Judge's Seat doesn't protect, so you could discard/capture/etc. the Judge there as well.
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You can also use EC's that are protected from Discard in territoy in combination with a protection fortress of your own. High Priest Palace, Headquarters at Riblah, House of Rimmon, Assyrian Camp, Pharaoh's Throne Room all protect your EC's in Territory from being discarded by Judges Seat.
Also, The Curse Besieged can be used to d/c an OT fortress.
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Not to mention the Hero is just sitting there, in the Fort, in your territory, so you can always just pick him off with a card that targets in play/territory.
:edit: yeah, what Aggie said.
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:edit: yeah, what Aggie said.
PREEMPTIVELY AGGIE'D!!