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Title: What about Samuel?
Post by: Korunks on September 08, 2011, 09:12:29 AM
So I keep hearing Samuel decks are currently top decks but he doesn't seem to be that useful, what Am I missing? 
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on September 08, 2011, 09:23:01 AM
So I keep hearing Samuel decks are currently top decks but he doesn't seem to be that useful, what Am I missing? 
Angel at the Oak (D2)--> Samuel (search and D2) + Armorbearer + Ishmaiah (D3) + Asahelm+ King Saul (with The Throne of David out).

You get to draw 9, search for 1, and draw off of TTOD, as well as play first. You also will have Bravery of David, Samuel's Edict, Reach, and AOCP in the deck, and it'll be totally okay. There's also a multitude of ways to get him out. Personally, I don't think he's broken, although definitely good, but we've known that since before everybody was saying "AHIMILEK IS BROKEN BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE SAYS IT IS! BANZORZ! MORE BROKEN THAN UMAD-THAD! ...oh...wait...it's been a month...JOSEPH AND SAMUEL ARE BROKEN! BAN HAMMAH! AHIMILEK IS A N00B COMPARED TO THESE GUYS!"

Pretty soon we'll have people saying Que is broken...
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: Prof Underwood on September 08, 2011, 09:44:19 AM
Personally, I don't think he's broken, although definitely good, but we've known that since before everybody was saying "AHIMILEK IS BROKEN BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE SAYS IT IS! BANZORZ! MORE BROKEN THAN UMAD-THAD! ...oh...wait...it's been a month...JOSEPH AND SAMUEL ARE BROKEN! BAN HAMMAH! AHIMILEK IS A N00B COMPARED TO THESE GUYS!"
I think this is a great point.  In August, Ahimilek and Isaiah were the flavors of the month.  This month Joseph and Samuel are the flavors of the month.  Next month it will probably be someone else.  This is a natural process of players adjusting to the new cards and seeing how they affect the meta.  Enjoy the ride, and see where things solidify after Christmas :)
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on September 08, 2011, 09:48:34 AM
Angel at the Oak (D2)--> Samuel (search and D2) + Prince Jonathan + Armorbearer + Ishmaiah (D2) + King David (with The Throne of David out).

Actually, you dont need prince jonathan in the band. Ishmaiah can draw 3 off Samuel - Armorbearer - Ishmaiah... he only checks for OT heroes, not WC.
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on September 08, 2011, 09:49:12 AM
Angel at the Oak (D2)--> Samuel (search and D2) + Prince Jonathan + Armorbearer + Ishmaiah (D2) + King David (with The Throne of David out).

Actually, you dont need prince jonathan in the band. Ishmaiah can draw 3 off Samuel - Armorbearer - Ishmaiah... he only checks for OT heroes, not WC.
I thought something was off there...thanks.
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: Minister Polarius on September 08, 2011, 10:48:47 AM
Ishmiah bands to Asahel who bands to Saul.
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: SomeKittens on September 08, 2011, 11:11:02 AM
That's nothing.  All I need to counter it is *checks math*... six dozen plots.
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: Master KChief on September 08, 2011, 02:26:50 PM
Quote
Angel at the Oak (D2)--> Samuel (search and D2) + Armorbearer + Ishmaiah (D3) + King David

im counting a +8 here, not 9. ishmaiah also does not band to king david, and there is a better king to have on the end than both david or saul.
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: SomeKittens on September 08, 2011, 02:29:27 PM
The ninth comes upon block with The Throne of David.
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: Master KChief on September 08, 2011, 02:31:30 PM
if they block. theres a way to get a guaranteed 9th before the ttod, though.
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: SomeKittens on September 08, 2011, 02:34:06 PM
Band to the king that draws or searches for an OT fortress.
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: Master KChief on September 08, 2011, 02:37:52 PM
helpful for getting to ttod in the first place as well. :)

only wish there was a way to have king solomon on the end...
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on September 08, 2011, 02:39:11 PM
Yeah, Oak (2) - Samuel (2+1) - Armorbearer -Ishmaiah (3) - Heldai - King Hiram (1) + TToD(1+)

10 cards minimum if they block. Granted, that combo IS a little convoluted, but the initial 4 hero combo is incredibly strong.
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on September 08, 2011, 02:41:09 PM
That's nothing.  All I need to counter it is *checks math*... six dozen plots.
Use Stalks of Flax, give them Joseph, play Joseph in Prison off of Phillies Chariot and Horses.

And no, I'm not offering this as a legitimate counter.
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: Master KChief on September 08, 2011, 02:43:05 PM
but stalks IS a legitimate counter. thanks for the tech.
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: lightningninja on September 08, 2011, 02:47:49 PM
Why is no one counting the guy that Samuel adds to battle? He adds a guy, and then can ALSO band.
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: Master KChief on September 08, 2011, 02:53:49 PM
we did, you get a + 1 from the search.
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: STAMP on September 08, 2011, 02:54:41 PM
if they block. theres a way to get a guaranteed 9th before the ttod, though.

More can be guaranteed with converted WC EC + WC D2/play next.  :)
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: ChristianSoldier on September 08, 2011, 04:21:49 PM
Just remember Samuel negates Play abilities, so if he's in battle he negates the play ability on Throne of David (yes you still get a mass draw which is epic)
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on September 08, 2011, 04:41:56 PM
Just remember Samuel negates Play abilities, so if he's in battle he negates the play ability on Throne of David (yes you still get a mass draw which is epic)
So, maybe Babel + JIP is a legitimate counter...would Joseph then go to Obadiah's Caves?
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: CJSports on September 08, 2011, 09:36:34 PM
I like how RBD and CWD and CotM all ruin this. But you must take into account that these three cards practically ruin all offenses so....

Carry On.
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: Master KChief on September 08, 2011, 09:43:10 PM
i like how captured ark and destruction, which are far more accessible and playable in every deck, destroy all those counters. carry on.
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: Josh on September 08, 2011, 09:52:27 PM
I like how RBD and CWD and CotM all ruin this. But you must take into account that these three cards practically ruin all offenses so....

Carry On.

These have to get drawn and activated to work...
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: SomeKittens on September 08, 2011, 10:40:02 PM
I like how Lampy and Naz stop them both, and have applications beyond stopping those two cards.
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on September 08, 2011, 10:46:04 PM
I like how Lampy and Naz stop them both, and have applications beyond stopping those two cards.
Naz is legitimate. Iron Pan can take care of Lampy.
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: Minister Polarius on September 08, 2011, 11:49:53 PM
Naz is the BFG of anti-meta all by itself. I wouldn't be surprised if later on in the year, decks were defined by whether or not they run Naz.
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: SomeKittens on September 09, 2011, 12:01:25 AM
I like how Lampy and Naz stop them both, and have applications beyond stopping those two cards.
Naz is legitimate. Iron Pan can take care of Lampy.
... and so on and so forth.
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on September 09, 2011, 12:04:16 AM
I like how Lampy and Naz stop them both, and have applications beyond stopping those two cards.
Naz is legitimate. Iron Pan can take care of Lampy.
... and so on and so forth.
As true as that is, you have to do everything preemptively, whereas I can do it instantly before you have a chance to counter back.
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: Master KChief on September 09, 2011, 12:17:05 AM
iron pan also stops naz.
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: SomeKittens on September 09, 2011, 01:26:27 AM
I like how Lampy and Naz stop them both, and have applications beyond stopping those two cards.
Naz is legitimate. Iron Pan can take care of Lampy.
... and so on and so forth.
As true as that is, you have to do everything preemptively, whereas I can do it instantly before you have a chance to counter back.
That was the point of my original post in this quote ring of death.
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: Carl deuty on September 12, 2011, 10:36:02 AM
sorry, I am a little late in getting to this thread.Does the band involve a converted ArmorBearer or is there another card called Armor Bearer?
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on September 12, 2011, 10:40:24 AM
sorry, I am a little late in getting to this thread.Does the band involve a converted ArmorBearer or is there another card called Armor Bearer?
There is an Armor Bearer from Warriors who was a green hero that can band to any hero who "fought in an earthly battle".
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: Carl deuty on September 12, 2011, 10:59:13 AM
ok, that makes a lot more sense. I was like, WHA??
Title: Re: What about Samuel?
Post by: SomeKittens on September 12, 2011, 12:58:05 PM
I thought the same thing.  Sometimes, the REG is a wonderful thing.
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