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Title: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: Red on December 02, 2011, 09:29:31 PM
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.redemptionreg.com%2FREG%2FLinkedDocuments%2FCorrupted%2520%2528Pi%2529.gif&hash=71b16bac7de3606e47da728011e3321c86873dcf) Themes have corrupted our playerbase to the point to where they do not understand the concepts of deckbuilding outside of Theme card+Theme card X 25=Deck.

1:Compatible themes are overlooked oftentimes... Example:
Cards in deck: 26


Artifacts: 1
   Stone Pillar at Bethel

Blue Covenant Cards: 1
   Covenant of Noah

Multi-Color Heroes: 2
   Joseph (Blue/Green)
   Samuel (Gold/Green)

Silver Heroes: 1
   The Angel Under the Oak

Red Heroes: 2
   Ahimelek the Hittite
   David

Gold Heroes: 3
   Ehud
   Gideon
   Jair

Blue Heroes: 4
   Dan
   Eve
   Jacob
   Rachel

Multi-Color Hero Enhancements: 1
   Seven Years of Plenty (Blue/Evil Gold)

Red Hero Enhancements: 2
   Battle Cry
   Bravery of David

Gold Hero Enhancements: 3
   Deborah's Directive
   Ehud's Dagger
   Samuel's Edict

Blue Hero Enhancements: 6
   Answer to Prayer
   Courage
   Forgiveness of Joseph
   Joseph Before Pharaoh
   Numerous as the Stars
   Reuben's Torn Clothes
This offense was 8-0 before it lost a game. And as you see it's not a set theme. The goal of the offense is CBN+Protection+Ahimlek abuse.

2:Themes that are said to be unable to mesh can in truth mesh but are overlooked.
Cards in deck: 56
Lost Souls: 8
   Lost Soul (Beggar)
   Lost Soul (FBTN)
   Lost Soul (Female Only)
   Lost Soul (first round)
   Lost Soul (hopper)
   Lost Soul (N.T. only)
   Lost Soul (punisher)
   Lost Soul (revealer)

Lamb Dominants: 6
   Angel of the Lord
   Grapes of Wrath
   Guardian Of Your Souls
   Harvest Time
   New Jerusalem
   Son of God

Grim Reaper Dominants: 5
   Burial
   Christian Martyr
   Destruction of Nehushtan
   Falling Away
   Mayhem

Fortresses: 2
   Storehouse
   The Garden Tomb

Artifacts: 3
   Burial Shroud
   Chariot of Fire
   Stone Pillar at Bethel

Multi-Color Heroes: 2
   Joseph (Blue/Green)
   Simon the Zealot (Red/Purple)

Blue Heroes: 6
   Dan
   Eve
   Jacob
   Levi
   Rachel
   Simeon

Purple Heroes: 8
   Bartholomew (Nathanael)
   James, Son of Alphaeus
   James, Son of Zebedee
   John
   Matthew (Levi)
   Philip
   Thaddeus
   Thomas

Multi-Color Hero Enhancements: 2
   Pentecost
   Seven Years of Plenty (Blue/Evil Gold)

Blue Hero Enhancements: 5
   Abraham's Servant to Ur
   Answer to Prayer
   Forgiveness of Joseph
   Joseph Before Pharaoh
   Reuben's Torn Clothes

Purple Hero Enhancements: 5
   A New Commandment
   Authority of Christ
   Great Faith
   My Lord and My God
   Reach of Desperation

Gold Evil Characters: 1
   King of Tyrus

Gray Evil Characters: 1
   Sabbath Breaker

Brown Evil Characters: 2
   Gomer
   Uzzah
I wouldn't trust this deck for too many games but it does indeed work and is able to win games due to it's speed alone.

3:Entire brigades are shrugged off due to not having a theme that is worth much. Teal has said to have nothing worth using by a member who I shall not name while in fact teal has the one thing that makes most offenses work... The Feasts. Which enable most of the non Genesis offenses to work.

In conclusion I hope this article teaches players to think out side of the theme more.
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: YourMathTeacher on December 02, 2011, 09:51:16 PM
In conclusion I hope this article teaches players to think out side of the theme more.

We already do this in Florida.   ;)
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 02, 2011, 11:43:14 PM
Themes are great. Mixing themes are better. Gardenciples was huge last year.

Mixed themes have been winning nationals for the past 3 years I might add. Teal Tomb, Prophets Priests, Red Garden Tomb.
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: TheHobbit13 on December 02, 2011, 11:55:31 PM
  :maul:
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: katedid on December 03, 2011, 12:00:56 AM
you know, themes arent great if your opponent happens to have a deck that negates it. I play a lot PG assyrians but I throw a bunch of other PG cards in there in case someone decides they want to play some of the green heroes that negate abilities on assyrians
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: SomeKittens on December 03, 2011, 05:38:34 PM
Themes are great. Mixing themes are better. Gardenciples was huge last year.

Mixed themes have been winning nationals for the past 3 years I might add. Teal Tomb, Prophets Priests, Red Garden Tomb.
Yup.  I was about to say the same.  Everyone was saying Disciples would win, but they could only manage 5th place.  In fact, that was the highest a traditional theme deck got.
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on December 03, 2011, 05:53:42 PM
The scrub who got third place won 4 (of 4) games using a disciples deck.
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: SomeKittens on December 03, 2011, 07:21:40 PM
The scrub who got third place won 4 (of 4) games using a disciples deck.
Yeah, but then he started playing defense, so it's clear he doesn't know how to play.
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on December 03, 2011, 07:35:20 PM
Yet he won. That proves disciples are imba.
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 04, 2011, 01:51:43 AM
My Disciples deck won against:
Lozo first round.
RLK (Payne Norlander?) second round.
Tim Maly fifth round.

And I'm pretty sure I used it against somebody else, but looking at it, I have no idea who it was. I'm certain I played Trololol against Nesfeder (third), Kirkland (fourth), Neal (sixth), Matt (eighth), John (ninth), and Martin (tenth). Which would only leave Conner in the seventh round, but I have no idea why I would have switched at that point. I guess I had tied two games so I may have needed soul diff...
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: I am Knot a Blonde! on December 04, 2011, 10:42:22 AM
Yeah, i have a deck that incorporates Heretics, Babylonians, and other non themed charachters. (Leviathan, Judas Iscariot, etc)
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: Arrthoa on December 11, 2011, 06:27:05 PM
Like others, I have founf out that mixing themes improves your chance of winning. My deck is a 133 deck, yes I know it's big but I have won 8 games in a row with it. I use disciples, centurions,and other warriors on offense and kings, persians, magicians, and demons for defense. So this help's prove the point that mixing themes is better than playing one theme.
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 11, 2011, 10:08:41 PM
Like others, I have founf out that mixing themes improves your chance of winning. My deck is a 133 deck, yes I know it's big but I have won 8 games in a row with it. I use disciples, centurions,and other warriors on offense and kings, persians, magicians, and demons for defense. So this help's prove the point that mixing themes is better than playing one theme.
Living in Florida doesn't help support that point. The decks are far too weird.
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: Arrthoa on December 11, 2011, 10:19:40 PM
Just because the decks are weird does not mean that my proof is useless
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: Chronic Apathy on December 11, 2011, 10:45:28 PM
Just because the decks are weird does not mean that my proof is useless

I agree. However, Florida's meta is very well-known for being a bit... different. A deck faring well in Florida doesn't indicate that it will do well in other areas. The Pennsylvania/Maryland meta for instance, is built around the forums, because a very large amount of people from this area frequent the forums, including some really active members like Alex, Marti, Brad, and myself. If a deck from our area is consistently winning, odds are, it's more likely to fair well on a national level, because it's more indicative of the national meta.

No offense Red, but it honestly sounds like you're angry that nobody is respecting your deck. Mixed themes do absolutely work, and most Sam decks are nothing but mixing themes and brigades.
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: SomeKittens on December 11, 2011, 11:08:40 PM
Just because the decks are weird does not mean that my proof is useless
My current "experimental" deck could beat a starter 10/10 times, but it's far short of "good."
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: Arrthoa on December 12, 2011, 12:42:04 AM
Just because the decks are weird does not mean that my proof is useless

I agree. However, Florida's meta is very well-known for being a bit... different. A deck faring well in Florida doesn't indicate that it will do well in other areas. The Pennsylvania/Maryland meta for instance, is built around the forums, because a very large amount of people from this area frequent the forums, including some really active members like Alex, Marti, Brad, and myself. If a deck from our area is consistently winning, odds are, it's more likely to fair well on a national level, because it's more indicative of the national meta.

No offense Red, but it honestly sounds like you're angry that nobody is respecting your deck. Mixed themes do absolutely work, and most Sam decks are nothing but mixing themes and brigades.
I hope you are not confusing me, Arrthoa, with Red [why risk flames]. I just saying this cause it sounded to me that you had me confused with Red.
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: Chronic Apathy on December 12, 2011, 01:17:38 AM
The second part of my post was addressing Red, the first part was addressing you. =)
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: Arrthoa on December 12, 2011, 01:26:07 AM
Okay, I wasn't sure if you had us confused. My bad.
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: I am Knot a Blonde! on December 12, 2011, 08:12:25 AM
Just because the decks are weird does not mean that my proof is useless

I agree. However, Florida's meta is very well-known for being a bit... different. A deck faring well in Florida doesn't indicate that it will do well in other areas. The Pennsylvania/Maryland meta for instance, is built around the forums, because a very large amount of people from this area frequent the forums, including some really active members like Alex, Marti, Brad, and myself. If a deck from our area is consistently winning, odds are, it's more likely to fair well on a national level, because it's more indicative of the national meta.

No offense Red, but it honestly sounds like you're angry that nobody is respecting your deck. Mixed themes do absolutely work, and most Sam decks are nothing but mixing themes and brigades.

Well you cant really say that until youve some of the top tier players who havent had a chance to go to nationals finally get the chance to. (Which may actually happen this next Nats if its in Tenessee or Florida.)
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: SomeKittens on December 12, 2011, 09:01:54 AM
Just because the decks are weird does not mean that my proof is useless

I agree. However, Florida's meta is very well-known for being a bit... different. A deck faring well in Florida doesn't indicate that it will do well in other areas. The Pennsylvania/Maryland meta for instance, is built around the forums, because a very large amount of people from this area frequent the forums, including some really active members like Alex, Marti, Brad, and myself. If a deck from our area is consistently winning, odds are, it's more likely to fair well on a national level, because it's more indicative of the national meta.

No offense Red, but it honestly sounds like you're angry that nobody is respecting your deck. Mixed themes do absolutely work, and most Sam decks are nothing but mixing themes and brigades.

Well you cant really say that until youve some of the top tier players who havent had a chance to go to nationals finally get the chance to. (Which may actually happen this next Nats if its in Tenessee or Florida.)
While technically true, I would think it'd be a save investment to bet that the national meta > FL meta.
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: Chronic Apathy on December 12, 2011, 09:03:24 AM
I never claimed that they wouldn't do well, simply that doing well in Florida is not indicative they'll do well in other areas, simply because Florida's meta is so different from that of the forums. Regardless, Florida does have a decent sized playgroup, so my assumption is that, even if the decks undoubtedly need tuning (133 card deck doing well is indicative of this), you guys have one or two top-tier players (133 card deck doing well is also indicative of this). While a Tennessee or New York Natz is preferable to me due to travel costs, I wouldn't mind a tournament in Georgia or Florida simply because I'd like to see what you guys have cooked up down there in the heat.
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: Arrthoa on December 12, 2011, 09:47:03 AM
The reason why it does well is their are only four people including me in my area that play the game. From what I see on the member map the rest are either on the South-East coast or in Orlando. Also, I've never been to a tournament so I can't say it be great at one.
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: SomeKittens on December 12, 2011, 09:49:05 AM
The reason why it does well is their are only four people including me in my area that play the game. From what I see on the member map the rest are either on the South-East coast or in Orlando. Also, I've never been to a tournament so I can say it be great at one.
Consider hosting one.  Once you become a tournament host, you never want to go back.
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: Arrthoa on December 12, 2011, 09:54:23 AM
And just how would I become one?
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 12, 2011, 10:20:32 AM
Well you cant really say that until youve some of the top tier players who havent had a chance to go to nationals finally get the chance to. (Which may actually happen this next Nats if its in Tenessee or Florida.)
I've seen some of Florida's top tier players on Youtube, namely Majus. I also know that Jonathan De La Rosa took 31st at nationals in MN.
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: SomeKittens on December 12, 2011, 10:27:11 AM
And just how would I become one?
Cactus has a downloadable application and instructions.
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on December 12, 2011, 10:31:35 AM
I saw a video on the Florida Redemption site a while ago of a few decks that, in all honestly, were not constructed well. I believe they were Majus's. I also played one of the De La Rosa's, not sure which one, last nationals. It's nothing against you, it's just that Florida players haven't been an active part of the national scene , so it's tough to say how they compare against it.
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: RTSmaniac on December 12, 2011, 10:45:36 PM
I would be more focused on facing the Knoxville guys. I know you guys have seen some of Adotson's decklists, and that group is very up to date on standard decklist im sure.
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: adotson85 on December 12, 2011, 11:23:32 PM
I would be more focused on facing the Knoxville guys. I know you guys have seen some of Adotson's decklists, and that group is very up to date on standard decklist im sure.

My Musicians/Sadducees deck has been unstoppable so far this year in Knoxville ;)
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: RTSmaniac on December 15, 2011, 05:04:18 PM
yea right! im sure when i finally show up one day Ill see Samuels and Samaria's everywhere...

Hey- here's my SamSam deck.
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: adotson85 on December 24, 2011, 04:38:41 AM
yea right! im sure when i finally show up one day Ill see Samuels and Samaria's everywhere...

Hey- here's my SamSam deck.

I haven't piloted any Samaria decks yet, but I may be to blame for the appearance of a Sam deck or two ;)
Title: Re: Themes corrupted the playerbase.
Post by: SomeKittens on December 25, 2011, 05:40:01 PM
yea right! im sure when i finally show up one day Ill see Samuels and Samaria's everywhere...

Hey- here's my SamSam deck.
Both require a substantial amount of cards.  You'd have to build a bigger deck (which I'm sure is no sweat for you)
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