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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Redemption® Resources and Thinktank => Topic started by: Red on December 02, 2011, 09:29:31 PM
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(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.redemptionreg.com%2FREG%2FLinkedDocuments%2FCorrupted%2520%2528Pi%2529.gif&hash=71b16bac7de3606e47da728011e3321c86873dcf) Themes have corrupted our playerbase to the point to where they do not understand the concepts of deckbuilding outside of Theme card+Theme card X 25=Deck.
1:Compatible themes are overlooked oftentimes... Example:
Cards in deck: 26
Artifacts: 1
Stone Pillar at Bethel
Blue Covenant Cards: 1
Covenant of Noah
Multi-Color Heroes: 2
Joseph (Blue/Green)
Samuel (Gold/Green)
Silver Heroes: 1
The Angel Under the Oak
Red Heroes: 2
Ahimelek the Hittite
David
Gold Heroes: 3
Ehud
Gideon
Jair
Blue Heroes: 4
Dan
Eve
Jacob
Rachel
Multi-Color Hero Enhancements: 1
Seven Years of Plenty (Blue/Evil Gold)
Red Hero Enhancements: 2
Battle Cry
Bravery of David
Gold Hero Enhancements: 3
Deborah's Directive
Ehud's Dagger
Samuel's Edict
Blue Hero Enhancements: 6
Answer to Prayer
Courage
Forgiveness of Joseph
Joseph Before Pharaoh
Numerous as the Stars
Reuben's Torn Clothes
This offense was 8-0 before it lost a game. And as you see it's not a set theme. The goal of the offense is CBN+Protection+Ahimlek abuse.
2:Themes that are said to be unable to mesh can in truth mesh but are overlooked.
Cards in deck: 56
Lost Souls: 8
Lost Soul (Beggar)
Lost Soul (FBTN)
Lost Soul (Female Only)
Lost Soul (first round)
Lost Soul (hopper)
Lost Soul (N.T. only)
Lost Soul (punisher)
Lost Soul (revealer)
Lamb Dominants: 6
Angel of the Lord
Grapes of Wrath
Guardian Of Your Souls
Harvest Time
New Jerusalem
Son of God
Grim Reaper Dominants: 5
Burial
Christian Martyr
Destruction of Nehushtan
Falling Away
Mayhem
Fortresses: 2
Storehouse
The Garden Tomb
Artifacts: 3
Burial Shroud
Chariot of Fire
Stone Pillar at Bethel
Multi-Color Heroes: 2
Joseph (Blue/Green)
Simon the Zealot (Red/Purple)
Blue Heroes: 6
Dan
Eve
Jacob
Levi
Rachel
Simeon
Purple Heroes: 8
Bartholomew (Nathanael)
James, Son of Alphaeus
James, Son of Zebedee
John
Matthew (Levi)
Philip
Thaddeus
Thomas
Multi-Color Hero Enhancements: 2
Pentecost
Seven Years of Plenty (Blue/Evil Gold)
Blue Hero Enhancements: 5
Abraham's Servant to Ur
Answer to Prayer
Forgiveness of Joseph
Joseph Before Pharaoh
Reuben's Torn Clothes
Purple Hero Enhancements: 5
A New Commandment
Authority of Christ
Great Faith
My Lord and My God
Reach of Desperation
Gold Evil Characters: 1
King of Tyrus
Gray Evil Characters: 1
Sabbath Breaker
Brown Evil Characters: 2
Gomer
Uzzah
I wouldn't trust this deck for too many games but it does indeed work and is able to win games due to it's speed alone.
3:Entire brigades are shrugged off due to not having a theme that is worth much. Teal has said to have nothing worth using by a member who I shall not name while in fact teal has the one thing that makes most offenses work... The Feasts. Which enable most of the non Genesis offenses to work.
In conclusion I hope this article teaches players to think out side of the theme more.
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In conclusion I hope this article teaches players to think out side of the theme more.
We already do this in Florida. ;)
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Themes are great. Mixing themes are better. Gardenciples was huge last year.
Mixed themes have been winning nationals for the past 3 years I might add. Teal Tomb, Prophets Priests, Red Garden Tomb.
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you know, themes arent great if your opponent happens to have a deck that negates it. I play a lot PG assyrians but I throw a bunch of other PG cards in there in case someone decides they want to play some of the green heroes that negate abilities on assyrians
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Themes are great. Mixing themes are better. Gardenciples was huge last year.
Mixed themes have been winning nationals for the past 3 years I might add. Teal Tomb, Prophets Priests, Red Garden Tomb.
Yup. I was about to say the same. Everyone was saying Disciples would win, but they could only manage 5th place. In fact, that was the highest a traditional theme deck got.
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The scrub who got third place won 4 (of 4) games using a disciples deck.
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The scrub who got third place won 4 (of 4) games using a disciples deck.
Yeah, but then he started playing defense, so it's clear he doesn't know how to play.
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Yet he won. That proves disciples are imba.
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My Disciples deck won against:
Lozo first round.
RLK (Payne Norlander?) second round.
Tim Maly fifth round.
And I'm pretty sure I used it against somebody else, but looking at it, I have no idea who it was. I'm certain I played Trololol against Nesfeder (third), Kirkland (fourth), Neal (sixth), Matt (eighth), John (ninth), and Martin (tenth). Which would only leave Conner in the seventh round, but I have no idea why I would have switched at that point. I guess I had tied two games so I may have needed soul diff...
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Yeah, i have a deck that incorporates Heretics, Babylonians, and other non themed charachters. (Leviathan, Judas Iscariot, etc)
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Like others, I have founf out that mixing themes improves your chance of winning. My deck is a 133 deck, yes I know it's big but I have won 8 games in a row with it. I use disciples, centurions,and other warriors on offense and kings, persians, magicians, and demons for defense. So this help's prove the point that mixing themes is better than playing one theme.
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Like others, I have founf out that mixing themes improves your chance of winning. My deck is a 133 deck, yes I know it's big but I have won 8 games in a row with it. I use disciples, centurions,and other warriors on offense and kings, persians, magicians, and demons for defense. So this help's prove the point that mixing themes is better than playing one theme.
Living in Florida doesn't help support that point. The decks are far too weird.
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Just because the decks are weird does not mean that my proof is useless
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Just because the decks are weird does not mean that my proof is useless
I agree. However, Florida's meta is very well-known for being a bit... different. A deck faring well in Florida doesn't indicate that it will do well in other areas. The Pennsylvania/Maryland meta for instance, is built around the forums, because a very large amount of people from this area frequent the forums, including some really active members like Alex, Marti, Brad, and myself. If a deck from our area is consistently winning, odds are, it's more likely to fair well on a national level, because it's more indicative of the national meta.
No offense Red, but it honestly sounds like you're angry that nobody is respecting your deck. Mixed themes do absolutely work, and most Sam decks are nothing but mixing themes and brigades.
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Just because the decks are weird does not mean that my proof is useless
My current "experimental" deck could beat a starter 10/10 times, but it's far short of "good."
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Just because the decks are weird does not mean that my proof is useless
I agree. However, Florida's meta is very well-known for being a bit... different. A deck faring well in Florida doesn't indicate that it will do well in other areas. The Pennsylvania/Maryland meta for instance, is built around the forums, because a very large amount of people from this area frequent the forums, including some really active members like Alex, Marti, Brad, and myself. If a deck from our area is consistently winning, odds are, it's more likely to fair well on a national level, because it's more indicative of the national meta.
No offense Red, but it honestly sounds like you're angry that nobody is respecting your deck. Mixed themes do absolutely work, and most Sam decks are nothing but mixing themes and brigades.
I hope you are not confusing me, Arrthoa, with Red [why risk flames]. I just saying this cause it sounded to me that you had me confused with Red.
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The second part of my post was addressing Red, the first part was addressing you. =)
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Okay, I wasn't sure if you had us confused. My bad.
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Just because the decks are weird does not mean that my proof is useless
I agree. However, Florida's meta is very well-known for being a bit... different. A deck faring well in Florida doesn't indicate that it will do well in other areas. The Pennsylvania/Maryland meta for instance, is built around the forums, because a very large amount of people from this area frequent the forums, including some really active members like Alex, Marti, Brad, and myself. If a deck from our area is consistently winning, odds are, it's more likely to fair well on a national level, because it's more indicative of the national meta.
No offense Red, but it honestly sounds like you're angry that nobody is respecting your deck. Mixed themes do absolutely work, and most Sam decks are nothing but mixing themes and brigades.
Well you cant really say that until youve some of the top tier players who havent had a chance to go to nationals finally get the chance to. (Which may actually happen this next Nats if its in Tenessee or Florida.)
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Just because the decks are weird does not mean that my proof is useless
I agree. However, Florida's meta is very well-known for being a bit... different. A deck faring well in Florida doesn't indicate that it will do well in other areas. The Pennsylvania/Maryland meta for instance, is built around the forums, because a very large amount of people from this area frequent the forums, including some really active members like Alex, Marti, Brad, and myself. If a deck from our area is consistently winning, odds are, it's more likely to fair well on a national level, because it's more indicative of the national meta.
No offense Red, but it honestly sounds like you're angry that nobody is respecting your deck. Mixed themes do absolutely work, and most Sam decks are nothing but mixing themes and brigades.
Well you cant really say that until youve some of the top tier players who havent had a chance to go to nationals finally get the chance to. (Which may actually happen this next Nats if its in Tenessee or Florida.)
While technically true, I would think it'd be a save investment to bet that the national meta > FL meta.
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I never claimed that they wouldn't do well, simply that doing well in Florida is not indicative they'll do well in other areas, simply because Florida's meta is so different from that of the forums. Regardless, Florida does have a decent sized playgroup, so my assumption is that, even if the decks undoubtedly need tuning (133 card deck doing well is indicative of this), you guys have one or two top-tier players (133 card deck doing well is also indicative of this). While a Tennessee or New York Natz is preferable to me due to travel costs, I wouldn't mind a tournament in Georgia or Florida simply because I'd like to see what you guys have cooked up down there in the heat.
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The reason why it does well is their are only four people including me in my area that play the game. From what I see on the member map the rest are either on the South-East coast or in Orlando. Also, I've never been to a tournament so I can't say it be great at one.
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The reason why it does well is their are only four people including me in my area that play the game. From what I see on the member map the rest are either on the South-East coast or in Orlando. Also, I've never been to a tournament so I can say it be great at one.
Consider hosting one. Once you become a tournament host, you never want to go back.
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And just how would I become one?
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Well you cant really say that until youve some of the top tier players who havent had a chance to go to nationals finally get the chance to. (Which may actually happen this next Nats if its in Tenessee or Florida.)
I've seen some of Florida's top tier players on Youtube, namely Majus. I also know that Jonathan De La Rosa took 31st at nationals in MN.
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And just how would I become one?
Cactus has a downloadable application and instructions.
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I saw a video on the Florida Redemption site a while ago of a few decks that, in all honestly, were not constructed well. I believe they were Majus's. I also played one of the De La Rosa's, not sure which one, last nationals. It's nothing against you, it's just that Florida players haven't been an active part of the national scene , so it's tough to say how they compare against it.
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I would be more focused on facing the Knoxville guys. I know you guys have seen some of Adotson's decklists, and that group is very up to date on standard decklist im sure.
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I would be more focused on facing the Knoxville guys. I know you guys have seen some of Adotson's decklists, and that group is very up to date on standard decklist im sure.
My Musicians/Sadducees deck has been unstoppable so far this year in Knoxville ;)
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yea right! im sure when i finally show up one day Ill see Samuels and Samaria's everywhere...
Hey- here's my SamSam deck.
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yea right! im sure when i finally show up one day Ill see Samuels and Samaria's everywhere...
Hey- here's my SamSam deck.
I haven't piloted any Samaria decks yet, but I may be to blame for the appearance of a Sam deck or two ;)
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yea right! im sure when i finally show up one day Ill see Samuels and Samaria's everywhere...
Hey- here's my SamSam deck.
Both require a substantial amount of cards. You'd have to build a bigger deck (which I'm sure is no sweat for you)