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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Redemption® Resources and Thinktank => Topic started by: browarod on June 10, 2015, 07:01:18 PM
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PDF Preview of Full Set (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/ThePersecutedChurchFull.pdf)
Rarity Key:
-XX ultra rare
-XX rare
-XX common
1 Letter to the Philippians (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Letter_to_the_Philippians_PC.jpg)
2 Paul's Books and Parchments (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Pauls_Books_and_Parchments_PC_pv.jpg)
3 Alexandrian Ship (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Alexandrian_Ship_sneak_peak.jpg)
4 Herod's Praetorium (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Herods_Praetorium_sneak_peak.jpg)
5 Tartaros
6 Jerusalem (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Jerusalem_sneak_peak.jpg)
7 Nero's Realm
8 Lost Soul - Awake (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Lost_Soul_Ephesians_5_14_PC.jpg)
9 Lost Soul - Escape (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Lost_Soul_II_Timothy_2_26_PC.jpg)
10 Lost Soul - Tempter (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Lost_Soul_II_Timothy_3_6-7_PC.jpg)
11 Christ's Triumph (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Christs_Triumph_TPC_pv.jpg)
12 Saint of Virtue (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Saint_of_Virtue_.jpg)
13 Paladin (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Paladin_PC.jpg)
14 Christian Soldier (female) (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Christian_Soldier_F.jpg)
15 Agabus (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Agabus_sneak_peak.jpg)
16 Philip's Daughters (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Philips_Daughters_sneak_peak.jpg)
17 Soldier of God (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Soldier_of_God_PC.jpg)
18 Music Leader (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Music_Leader_PC_sp.jpg)
19 Word of Christ (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Word_of_Christ_PC_sp.jpg)
20 Endurance of Job (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Endurance_of_Job_PC_pv.jpg)
21 Belt of Truth (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Belt_of_Truth_PC.jpg)
22 Breastplate of Righteousness (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Breastplate_of_Righteousness_PC.jpg)
23 Shoes of Peace (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Shoes_of_Peace_PC.jpg)
24 Shield of Faith (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Shield_of_Faith_PC.jpg)
25 Helmet of Salvation (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Helmet_of_Salvation_PC.jpg)
26 Sword of the Spirit (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Sword_of_the_Spirit_PC.jpg)
27 Philemon (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Philemon_PC.jpg)
28 Archippus (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Archippus_PC.jpg)
29 Apphia (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Apphia_PC.jpg)
30 Epaphras (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Epaphras_PC.jpg)
31 Onesimus (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Onesimus_PC.jpg)
32 The Ephesian Elders (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/The_Ephesian_Elders_PC.jpg)
33 The Ephesian Mentor (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/The_Ephesian_Mentor_PC.jpg)
34 Onesiphorus (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Onesiphorus_PC.jpg)
35 Ephesian Widow (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Ephesian_Widow_PC.jpg)
36 James, Leader in Jerusalem (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/James_Leader_in_Jerusalem_PC_pv.jpg)
37 Paul's Nephew (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Pauls_Nephew_sp.jpg)
38 The Generous Givers (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/The_Generous_Givers_PC.jpg)
39 Clement (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Clement_PC.jpg)
40 Euodia (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Euodia_PC.jpg)
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41 Syntyche (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Syntyche_PC.jpg)
42 Epaphroditus (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Epaphroditus_PC.jpg)
43 Claudia
44 Snake into the Fire (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Snake_into_the_Fire_sneak_peak.jpg)
45 Mercy of James (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Mercy_of_James_PC_pv.jpg)
46 Wisdom (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Wisdom_PC_sp.jpg)
47 Created by Christ (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Created_by_Christ.jpg)
48 Healings in Malta (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Healings_in_Malta_sneak_peak.jpg)
49 Of One Mind (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Of_One_Mind_sp.jpg)
50 Seeker of the Lost
51 The Foretelling Angel (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/The_Foretelling_Angel.jpg)
52 Stronger than Men
53 Eleazar, Son of Aaron (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Eleazar_Son_of_Aaron_PC.jpg)
54 Roman Spear
55 Paul's Belt (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Pauls_Belt.jpg)
56 Silly Women (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Silly_Women_PC_sp.jpg)
57 The Egyptian Rebel (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/The_Egyptian_Rebel.jpg)
58 Philetus (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Philetus_PC.jpg)
59 Drusilla
60 Stormy Seas (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Stormy_Seas_sneak_peak.jpg)
61 Uproar in Jerusalem (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Uproar_in_Jerusalem_sneak_peak.jpg)
62 Mist
63 King Ahaziah (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/King_Ahaziah_PC.jpg)
64 King Jeroboam II (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/King_Jeroboam_II_PC_sp.jpg)
65 No Regard for the Lord (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/No_Regard_for_the_Lord_PC.jpg)
66 Defrauders (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Defrauders_PC_sp.jpg)
67 Doomed Conspirators (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Doomed_Conspirators.jpg)
68 Hermogenes (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Hermogenes_PC_pv.jpg)
69 Phygellus (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Phygellus_PC_pv.jpg)
70 Deluders (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Deluders_PC_sp.jpg)
71 Bernice (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Bernice_PC.jpg)
72 Revolt (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Revolt_sneak_peak.jpg)
73 Emperor Claudius (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Emperor_Claudius_sneak_peak.jpg)
74 Porcius Festus (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Porcius_Festus.jpg)
75 Claudius Lysias (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Claudius_Lysias.jpg)
76 Roman Spearmen
77 Julius the Centurion (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Julius_the_Centurion.jpg)
78 Centurion at Jerusalem (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Centurion_at_Jerusalem_sp.jpg)
79 Arrest in Jerusalem
80 Roman Citizenship (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Roman_Citizenship_sp.jpg)
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81 Pestering Spirit (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Pestering_Spirit_sp.jpg)
82 Rebellious Spirit
83 Wizard (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Wizard_PC.jpg)
84 The Judean Mediums (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/The_Judean_Mediums_PC.jpg)
85 Crooked Ways (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Crooked_Ways_PC_sp.jpg)
86 Holy Grail (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Holy_Grail_PC.jpg)
87 Christian Soldier (male) (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Christian_Soldier-M_pv.jpg)
88 Cast into Lion's Den
89 The Maltese Viper (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/The_Maltese_Viper.jpg)
90 Jude (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Jude_PC.jpg)
91 The Lord Rebuke You! (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/The_Lord_Rebuke_You_PC.jpg)
92 Divide and Unify (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Divide_and_Unify_PC.jpg)
93 Hymenaeus (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Hymenaeus_PC.jpg)
Set Information:
-93 cards (64 common, 26 rare, 3 ultra rare)
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Given that Doomed Conspirators is 67, and if TPC is heavy on offense (mostly clay) like TEC was, I don't imagine the set will be more than 80 or 100 cards (unless there's more evil than I expect, haha). If the cards are in hodgepodge order like TEC it's hard to say, though.
Of course being called The Persecuted Church I would like to expect it to be somewhat defensive heavy as a set, especially after an offensive heavy set like TEC. But I don't really know.
But now to my analysis, assuming there is a non random order to the cards:
Christ's Triumph is 11.
Created by Christ is 47.
The Foretelling Angel is 51.
Eleazar, son of Aaron is 53.
Doomed Conspirators is 67.
In both Disciples and TexP the order was: Red, Gold, Green, Blue, Purple, White, Silver, Teal, Crimson, Gold Evil, Pale Green, Black, Brown, Gray, Orange. If TPC follows the brigade order (with the addition of Clay somewhere before Silver), we can expect Doomed Conspirators to be near the beginning of the evil cards (depending on how many Crimson characters there are). Also Christ's Triumph is an interesting card, because in Disciples fully multicolored cards were at the beginning, which could mean a number of multicolored and dominants, or probably more likely they've just put artifacts near the beginning.
Of course all of this speculation is meaningless if the order is random, but it looks too ordered to be random to me for that.
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I had initially thought the same thing as you, but looking at the breakdown of TEC they didn't necessarily keep to that order. The Fruit of the Spirit enhancements, which technically count as multicolor, were placed later in Phase 1 after some of the evil cards rather than at the beginning of the order.
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There's definitely a method to the order. Sometimes Rob decides later in the testing process to add more cards to the set. This causes them to be put on the end, outside of the normal order of cards in the set.
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That makes sense, and if that's the case it seems like there's going to be a LOT of crimson in the set, lol. Given that clay is earlier in the order, teal seems to be the last good brigade before the evil cards start so since Eleazer is 53 even if there's another couple teal cards after him that still leaves at least 10 cards between that and Doomed Conspirators at 67 that would all be crimson (or potentially multicolor if the PTB sticks them after the good cards rather than at the beginning with the good multicolor cards).
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Is there a limit to how often you can add Daniel cards to your hand?
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Is there a limit to how often you can add Daniel cards to your hand?
Only the frequency of Daniel cards on top of your deck.
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Is there a limit to how often you can add Daniel cards to your hand?
Only the frequency of Daniel cards on top of your deck.
And the hand limit itself. Still can't have more than 16 cards in hand at a time.
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Is there a limit to how often you can add Daniel cards to your hand?
Only the frequency of Daniel cards on top of your deck.
And the hand limit itself. Still can't have more than 16 cards in hand at a time.
True but you can do this on your turn, so u could play down characters, sites, artifacts and territory stuff. Creating a larger amount that could be added.
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Foretelling Angel is the new Gates of Hell.
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Whose idea was this? ;)
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Foretelling Angel is the new Gates of Hell.
It's a little harder to order the top of your deck without an ability like laver that gates has access to.
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Here's what you do, make a deck with mostly Daniel cards.
Draw Foretelling angel and Bronze Laver on turn 1. Play Angel, draw until you hit a non-daniel card. Use Bronze laver to cycle past that card, and continue drawing.
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Here's what you do, make a deck with mostly Daniel cards.
Draw Foretelling angel and Bronze Laver on turn 1. Play Angel, draw until you hit a non-daniel card. Use Bronze laver to cycle past that card, and continue drawing.
Be sure to include WWaW and Angelic Guidance. Those will help you get The Foretelling Angel quickly and shuffle your deck when you get stuck on a non-Daniel card.
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Just think about lost souls manipulation with this guy ouch. You know when do discard the top card of your deck lol, all you need is Iron Pan. For that reason this guy should probably makes things cbn permanently. Or have cbn turn on if top card is not a Daniel card.
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Just think about lost souls manipulation with this guy ouch. You know when do discard the top card of your deck lol, all you need is Iron Pan. For that reason this guy should probably makes things cbn permanently. Or have cbn turn on if top card is not a Daniel card.
It's always interesting to watch discussions evolve on the leaks and watch how similar they are to the discussions among playtesters ;)
As with the other leaks, what came out was not the final version, so hopefully you'll like what comes out at the end :)
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How many cards per pack will the persecuted church have (5 or 10)? Will 3lionsgaming offer pre - released sets? Maybe a Voice of the Martyrs promo card?
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As with the other leaks, what came out was not the final version, so hopefully you'll like what comes out at the end :)
Wait what? So the leaked card isn't the same card going to print?
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As with the other leaks, what came out was not the final version, so hopefully you'll like what comes out at the end :)
Wait what? So the leaked card isn't the same card going to print?
The cards being released now are playtest versions. They have not been finalized yet, unless stated otherwise. Most will stay the same, though some will have small changes made before publication.
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As with the other leaks, what came out was not the final version, so hopefully you'll like what comes out at the end :)
Wait what? So the leaked card isn't the same card going to print?
The cards being released now are playtest versions. They have not been finalized yet, unless stated otherwise. Most will stay the same, though some will have small changes made before publication.
For example, we are contemplating making his ability "You may draw 2 and exchange this card with a Daniel Hero in hand, territory, deck or discard pile. Protect all cards in play, hands, decks, and discard piles from Evil Characters of */X or less. If opponent has a Redeemed Soul, Daniel Heroes ignore all evil brigades with fewer than 2 characters in play. Cannot be negated."
The only thing we are trying to decide on currently is whether to keep him TC or not. I personally think that would make him OP, but Prof U thinks that it's the only way we could make him even have a chance to be in a competitive deck.
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*/X is number of your redeemed souls. Sorry, Jordan forgot that part
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As with the other leaks, what came out was not the final version, so hopefully you'll like what comes out at the end :)
Wait what? So the leaked card isn't the same card going to print?
The cards being released now are playtest versions. They have not been finalized yet, unless stated otherwise. Most will stay the same, though some will have small changes made before publication.
For example, we are contemplating making his ability "You may draw 2 and exchange this card with a Daniel Hero in hand, territory, deck or discard pile. Protect all cards in play, hands, decks, and discard piles from Evil Characters of */X or less. If opponent has a Redeemed Soul, Daniel Heroes ignore all evil brigades with fewer than 2 characters in play. Cannot be negated."
The only thing we are trying to decide on currently is whether to keep him TC or not. I personally think that would make him OP, but Prof U thinks that it's the only way we could make him even have a chance to be in a competitive deck.
auto, thaddeus, and tgt all in one card? sounds like every game breaking part of the game in one! :police: haha daniel may already be the best hero in the game! i do like the idea of a kind of alt auto though for daniel (kind of just my bias because i already love daniel) i gotta say most people are not a big fan of any form of pre block ignoring since it basically cuts a phase out of the game at some players expense and prophets do already have that option anyway super excited for the new set!! i know they are still in their trial by fire :)
These have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith--of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire--may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. 1 Peter 1:7
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Pretty sure that ability was a joke. ;)
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New card on Land of Redemption today! (and 4 more the rest of the week! I'll update as they are revealed)
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flandofredemption.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F06%2FChristian_Soldier_M.jpg&hash=6c7ebbcfcdfee0a8209d35d8ff612c519ef9be0a)
If you look at the card image URL, it has an "M" at the end. Might we then be seeing a female variant of the Christian Soldier? I, for one, would LOVE that.
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New card on Land of Redemption today! (and 4 more the rest of the week! I'll update as they are revealed)
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flandofredemption.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F06%2FChristian_Soldier_M.jpg&hash=6c7ebbcfcdfee0a8209d35d8ff612c519ef9be0a)
If you look at the card image URL, it has an "M" at the end. Might we then be seeing a female variant of the Christian Soldier? I, for one, would LOVE that.
it looks awesome, cornelius has got to be one of my favorite guys from tec!! love seeing more clay/red!!! card art looks great! do people understand jesus was crucified? that's the most brutal death someone can take.. this card art is sweet thanks!!
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All discussions regarding the artwork have been moved here (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/redemption-card-play/christian-soldier-art/).
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So did anyone else find the image for the Female Christian Soldier on Land of Redemption or am I the only one?
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I found it too:
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRUY-zpWGo0YTUDouWD5vdRoYhMHj2pIw91vQHHVbhQgqk8O2JdiQ)
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(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flandofredemption.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F06%2FChristian_Soldier_F.jpg&hash=d8f8b6a658b8fb34b17348f24ccfe02f4def98f8)
Awesome artwork!
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And no impaled bodies on that one. ;)
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And no impaled bodies on that one. ;)
I don't know.... those are clearly dead trees in the background... ;)
Seriously, though, who doesn't like a girl in armor! ;D
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Based on the artwork would Christian Soldier be given the female identifier?
If so the first link in my Amazon (All characters are Warrior Class Females) deck is cast.
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Yes. Female. Amazon...LOL!
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Maybe give her the ability to band with other females.
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And the new spiritual warrior for today is.......Saint of Virtue!
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flandofredemption.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F06%2FSaint_of_Virtue_.jpg&hash=779525c1859d5770777f2da829a7a7e39201fc96)
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I like the idea of having gold armor be connected with spiritual warfare.
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Here is a little more info...
http://www.threelionsgaming.com/#!product/prd4/4197411691/the-persecuted-church-set-pre-order (http://www.threelionsgaming.com/#!product/prd4/4197411691/the-persecuted-church-set-pre-order)
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Here's the real question though:
Are the Armor of God cards getting reprinted? The current ones are rather useless outside of FBTN decks.
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Here is a little more info...
http://www.threelionsgaming.com/#!product/prd4/4197411691/the-persecuted-church-set-pre-order (http://www.threelionsgaming.com/#!product/prd4/4197411691/the-persecuted-church-set-pre-order)
BOOM! Set size and rarity spoiled by TLG! 8)
Here's the real question though:
Are the Armor of God cards getting reprinted? The current ones are rather useless outside of FBTN decks.
It's probably too early for the community to assess the strength, playability and level of fun the Spiritual Soldier theme has to offer. We've only seen 3 cards so far. There are a lot of cool ways to make older cards more useful. ;)
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I disagree.
Breastplate's Play Next is pretty good under the right circumstances.
Shoes of Peace isn't terrible either.
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I disagree.
Breastplate's Play Next is pretty good under the right circumstances.
Shoes of Peace isn't terrible either.
Breastplate isn't weapon-class though, so none of these 3 heroes can hold it right now.
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Here is a little more info...
http://www.threelionsgaming.com/#!product/prd4/4197411691/the-persecuted-church-set-pre-order (http://www.threelionsgaming.com/#!product/prd4/4197411691/the-persecuted-church-set-pre-order)
LOL at the irony that you are abbreviating them "PC cards" after the Christian Soldier art discussion. ;D
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I know. I found it very ironic. :P
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I've updated the first post with the new Christian Soldier card image with the changed art.
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flandofredemption.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F06%2FChristian_Soldier-M_pv.jpg&hash=15300619a51207109bea23f68c8e542591a8fd62)
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http://www.threelionsgaming.com/#!product/prd4/4197411691/the-persecuted-church-set-pre-order (http://www.threelionsgaming.com/#!product/prd4/4197411691/the-persecuted-church-set-pre-order) just realized the new set is available for pre order!! awesome!!! thank you TLG!!!
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What format is the new set being distributed?
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What format is the new set being distributed?
I haven't seen that officially announced anywhere, but my guess would be more box sets. That seems to be their preferred method in recent years.
It's definitely not tins since there are rarities.
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I'm pretty sure Rob mentioned in the Nationals Booster Draft thread that they would be card boxes like TEC.
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Look again at the TLG Deals of the Week page! ;)
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The commander of the theme makes his debut today displaying the full Armor of God.
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flandofredemption.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F06%2FSoldier_of_God_PC.jpg&hash=7f76217d022d6a09c9283fc392a7b24927a7a8aa)
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I updated the image with a newer version of Soldier of God. Sorry I couldn't get it up sooner.
We re-ordered the listing of the characters on the card. While you can choose to band to them in any order, we wanted to list them in the order that people will usually choose to band them into battle. Believe it or not we really do want to make the game easier to understand. ;D
Also, if you were someone who figured out how to sneak a peak at Friday's card, you may find it looks at little different than you remember. ;)
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I've updated the Soldier of God image above and the link on the first page.
Also, the final Spiritual Warrior for the week is Paladin!
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flandofredemption.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F06%2FPaladin_PC.jpg&hash=7c897ea0a393967857221d7a51fec6a77566ed88)
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They remade my other favorite card, (Paladin, who I also got in my first pack) and he is more or less the same, but even better! This set is setting up to be spectacular.
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I think the NT Warrior archtype is really cool and I'd like to play it in a deck someday. But this makes me wonder... are we getting Armor of God reprints? It'd be cool if that happened!
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WELL MET!
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1.5 cards revealed in today's Land of Redemption article (http://landofredemption.com/?p=1493)!
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flandofredemption.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F06%2FPauls_Belt.jpg&hash=766f7843e40de1c0a8a9b9de8cf61be5fbf14326)(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flandofredemption.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F06%2FPhilips_Daughters_sneak_peak.jpg&hash=2f7f420217834bb5c83153a59a224f425cc3c606)
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There are a couple more of those ".5s" hidden in there. ;)
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Shame it's battle and not field of battle. Would have been way cooler that way, still a solid card though.
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There are a couple more of those ".5s" hidden in there. ;)
Yes it appears we will have a Jeruselam and an Agabus reprint!
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I must have missed them my first time through the article, I beg forgiveness for failing horribly at my duty to disseminate all spoilers! First post has been updated with all 4 cards from today's article (barring any others I missed).
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That's all of them today. Tomorrow is loaded with them!
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Shame it's battle and not field of battle. Would have been way cooler that way, still a solid card though.
Someone still likes King Rehoboam I see... ;)
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More like I like cards with non-obvious application. Makes for a lot of possible unconventional, but still viable deck builds the more of the there are.
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Haha I like how its Paul's Belt this time around and not Paul's Girdle ::) Why didn't you guys reuse the old Prophets art?
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Haha I like how its Paul's Belt this time around and not Paul's Girdle ::) Why didn't you guys reuse the old Prophets art?
Luckily now that we are in the NASB, we get to use the modern-equivalent article of clothing in the title ;) Also, this art is definitely a nicer piece, and more true to the story.
Though I suppose you've figured us out,that the truth behind both of these changes was to be sure that we could use copies of each version in our decks for OP strategies. Foiled again!
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It's interesting, I never really looked into why Paul's Girdle was an evil enhancement until this card reveal had me reading the verse and the story.
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A slew of mini previews and one full preview in today's article (http://landofredemption.com/?p=1502)!
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And a .5 reveal from yesterday has graduated to a full 1.0 reveal today with a great playtesting insight article (http://landofredemption.com/?p=1660) from Redoubter!
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Another 1.5 previews today (unless I've missed some again, lol!).
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HEROD FORTRESS, YAY!!!!!!!!
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HEROD FORTRESS, YAY!!!!!!!!
In case you can't read that identifier it says, "Holds Any # of Captured Characters".
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So I take it that this set will have the rest of the Herod characters like Herodias, Herodian, Herod Antipas, and I believe Agrippa I. Couldn't remember if he was reprinted last set or not. Hopefully we get a chariot for them since all the others brigades have a chariot any WC can use except Brown,Gold, and Black. Gold and Black only have a Egyptian and Philistine chariot
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and I believe Agrippa I.
He was indeed printed last year in TEC, phase 1
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Porcius Festus is awesome
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I am curious, for Porcius, if we ever decided upon a default for not being able to complete a SA. For instance, if my opponent says that he has no enhancements in hand, are they required to reveal their hand to prove it?
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I think the consensus was that they don't have to reveal but you can call a judge if you are uncertain.
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I am curious, for Porcius, if we ever decided upon a default for not being able to complete a SA. For instance, if my opponent says that he has no enhancements in hand, are they required to reveal their hand to prove it?
I think the consensus was that they don't have to reveal but you can call a judge if you are uncertain.
Browarod is correct about the current rule. We're talking about making the "I Am Holy" rule the norm. In fact it's an agenda item for our group call tonight. If we make an official change we will announce it effective after Nats.
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We're talking about making the "I Am Holy" rule the norm. In fact it's an agenda item for our group call tonight. If we make an official change we will announce it effective after Nats.
Fair enough. Thanks for the update! ;D
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I want. So bad.
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Not really wowed by Festus, his first strike is not that useful really, and the enhancement hand over is only good if the opponent is playing with the same offense/defense brigade
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..., and the enhancement hand over is only good if the opponent is playing with the same offense/defense brigade
I think the point was to get one of their battle-winners out of their hand.
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..., and the enhancement hand over is only good if the opponent is playing with the same offense/defense brigade
I think the point was to get one of their battle-winners out of their hand.
Precisely. Unless you can prevent him, you are going to lose an enhancement at least temporarily. Do you have the resources to do that and still win the battle? In most cases, you probably do...but what if the deck is using Roman hand control? Will you still have enough enhancements to pay the cost and win the battle?
It adds a very interesting wrinkle to Romans and an interesting interaction we look forward to seeing in action.
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Another full preview in today's article (http://landofredemption.com/?p=1527)! I didn't find any mini previews (even with my tabbing technique) but if I missed one please feel free to point it out. :P
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In random news, there is so much new information that I hit the 5000 character limit in the first post! I've had to start putting info in the second post, haha.
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Precisely. Unless you can prevent him, you are going to lose an enhancement at least temporarily. Do you have the resources to do that and still win the battle? In most cases, you probably do...but what if the deck is using Roman hand control? Will you still have enough enhancements to pay the cost and win the battle?
It adds a very interesting wrinkle to Romans and an interesting interaction we look forward to seeing in action.
It's basically "Opponent must discard an enhancement from hand", except better, because you might be able to use it.
Don't forget, Rome allows Emperors to play enhancements of other brigades, with some limitations (Orange and OT excluded maybe?). And I can see potential to abuse a converted Festus via sidebattles/Darius Decree in T2.
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Also, converted Festus with Peace... :o
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Another full preview in today's article (http://landofredemption.com/?p=1527)! I didn't find any mini previews (even with my tabbing technique) but if I missed one please feel free to point it out. :P
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In random news, there is so much new information that I hit the 5000 character limit in the first post! I've had to start putting info in the second post, haha.
#ScarletJohanssonisgoingtosueRedemptionhard#Thatdoesn'treallywork
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In a playtest game I was using a Roman hand control deck and an offense that included Paul. Festus won a battle when my opponent had to give me his only good enhancement in his 4 card hand (Bravery of David), which was then used in my next turn rescue with Paul to win the battle. 8)
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In one play test battle I was given a Roman's Destroy Jerusalem by Festus' ability. At the time, James, Leader in Jerusalem's ability protected all of the Heroes I had in my territory, making that a very one sided play. 8)
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In a playtest game...
In one play test battle...
Wait...did I miss something? Were we supposed to test these cards? :o
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Darn it Gabe, I knew we forgot to tell Dayne something... :doh:
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I figured the term "playtester" was self-explanatory. ;)
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I figured the term "playtester" was self-explanatory. ;)
If you haven't noticed, Dayne gets a little hung up when a term isn't clearly defined in the REG... :o
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I figured the term "playtester" was self-explanatory. ;)
If you haven't noticed, Dayne gets a little hung up when a term isn't clearly defined in the REG... :o
Look, if you're going to expect there to be consistency regarding the application of duties for individuals, then you have to define the identifier you use in the REG! Limiting it to obscure references on the boards is an improper and contrary method of communicating these decisions, and then you end up with confusion and inconsistent applications as a result!
Also, I had thought that it was known that my prodigious knowledge base and predictive capabilities show that I can accurately assess the outcomes of playtesting anyway, and thus it was not necessary for me to actually 'test' the cards outside of my mindscape.
So...are we adding it to the REG then?
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Woot woot for Julius!
I don't like that he is evil, as he was Paul's friend. But I guess we don't know that he converted, so he would need to be evil...
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Woot woot for Julius!
I don't like that he is evil, as he was Paul's friend. But I guess we don't know that he converted, so he would need to be evil...
He wasn't really Paul's friend, he was his jailer. That he wasn't cruel to him was a good thing, but he was only doing his job and trying to get it done right (which is why he ignored Paul the first time, taking the word of seasoned sailors, but once he saw that Paul could predict things he listened to what he had to say).
We also don't have any evidence of any long-lasting effect for him or any conversion, though of course we would hope that he thought about what happened with Paul and maybe that contributed to a change later.
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And, even converted, he still has a pretty sweet ability.
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Given he's being talked about, here's Julius! (and a couple mini previews)
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Stormy Seas looks like it has a reeeeeeeally long ability.
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Most likely a "If used by a Roman ... If used by a Herod..." special ability.
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Most likely a "If used by a Roman ... If used by an Herod Egyptian..." special ability.
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Didn't think about Egyptians since the only N.T. one I'm aware of is the rebel, unless there are some more Egyptians being released.
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Didn't think about Egyptians since the only N.T. one I'm aware of is the rebel, unless there are some more Egyptians being released.
The ship that was caught in that storm is the Alexandrian Ship, which was Egyptian. :)
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Didn't think about Egyptians since the only N.T. one I'm aware of is the rebel, unless there are some more Egyptians being released.
The ship that was caught in that storm is the Alexandrian Ship, which was Egyptian. :)
To expound on this, Egypt was the break basket of Rome, so there were many ships from there that would make the trip up to Rome carrying the food the Romans needed to survive. This is why Julius was able to find the first Alexandrian Ship (that got caught in the storm and was destroyed) and later a second Alexandrian ship that was headed to Rome that had made a stop in Malta.
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More animals woo!
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Wooof cool card but that instead is just worded funky :2cents:
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More animals woo!
Wonder if this means we will be getting reprints of of the beast of the sea/earth, and maybe the lion Samson fought bare handed
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Viper almost didn't make the set list. It was on the first couple of set versions during our testing, but it was bumped to our "short list" of cards that we don't have room for (or can't get to work the way we want) when we added Doomed Conspirators.
About a month an a half before we were finished with testing, Rob came to us and gave us room to add 4 more cards. Viper was one of the first we used to fill those spots. It underwent a number of modifications at that point, including the name change to make it unique. That's why it's card #89.
Shortly after that, Rob also gave us an additional 4 cards to add to the set list, pushing it to 93 cards total.
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Today's preview cards, including the Viper I've heard so much about:
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I'm still boggled by Maltese Viper's ability... ok...
So the way it currently reads the first time you play it you can do the ability twice correct? If I'm not mistaken the way the card is worded those first two sentences are set up as two different abilities.
Why the crazy shenanigans with the card? Why not just set it up so it Poisons and Paralyzes every time it blocks? Maybe something like...
"Paralyze and Poison a Human Hero in territory. Each upkeep that Hero loses 0/2. Cannot be Negated."
Anything wrong with that? Ability reads easier, weak card is slightly stronger and I'm pretty sure the ability is shorter.
If you guys are worried about Paralyze decks becoming a thing don't worry they won't I tried :P I seriously tried haha. I took one to Boston Nats 2010 and it actually did pretty well considering it was a Red/Palegreen deck haha. I think I got like 13th out of 70+ in Type I Two Player and did fairly well in Teams. I think Gabe might remember playing the deck in Teams ;D All Hope is Lost, Palsy and Five Foolish Virgins are still amazing cards!!!
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I'm still boggled by Maltese Viper's ability... ok...
So the way it currently reads the first time you play it you can do the ability twice correct? If I'm not mistaken the way the card is worded those first two sentences are set up as two different abilities.
No. You either do the first ability, or you do the second ability instead. The second ability insteads the first ability if it happens.
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If Viper blocks from hand, you target a Hero to decrease, but then the second ability immediately insteads that ability and you choose a Hero to paralyze and poison (the first Hero is then unaffected, unless you choose the same Hero).
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If Viper blocks from hand, you target a Hero to decrease, but then the second ability immediately insteads that ability and you choose a Hero to paralyze and poison (the first Hero is then unaffected, unless you choose the same Hero).
Ok that makes sense. Really though the card is worded needlessly complicated for a pretty weak Special Ability.
I still think the card should be rewritten to something like what I put in my previous post. Makes the card stronger and easier to read.
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If you guys are worried about Paralyze decks becoming a thing don't worry they won't I tried
In playtest discussions, we wanted to make paralyze a stronger sub-strategy without making too strong that it could stand on it own. The idea is that it can potentially neutralize the powerful Heroes of the top strategies (Judges for example are a lot less intimidating without AutO--same for Joseph and Genesis), thereby forcing players to use other options than just spamming their best Hero over and over.
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Kinda hope the Maltese Viper creates a new Beast archetype in decks. ;)
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Kinda hope the Maltese Viper creates a new Beast archetype in decks. ;)
Maltese viper is not a beast, it is an animal. Beasts are demons in Redemption.
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Pretty cool card. Kinda missed the boat on it being generic for type 2 purposes because it works perfectly with the ability. Ironically the 0/2 decrease each upkeep the card makes it less powerful would have loved to see that ability cut to the front so people would consider him for a block from territory.
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Pretty cool card. Kinda missed the boat on it being generic for type 2 purposes because it works perfectly with the ability. Ironically the 0/2 decrease each upkeep the card makes it less powerful would have loved to see that ability cut to the front so people would consider him for a block from territory.
On the generic, this reference is to the singular snake that attached itself to Paul on Malta, so it would be a unique based on the reference. However, the designation was still discussed from a playtesting perspective, and it was agreed that generic was the best option, particularly in T2.
We would disagree that it is less powerful, because the option to paralyze a Hero until it dies from the poison is very strong against certain deck types, particularly if they decide not to use healing.
Additionally, we very much liked the concept of a 'hidden' viper being more dangerous, because you don't know it is there. This also fits with the story and gives it a unique flair.
All in all, this card actually dominated a lot of discussion among the playtesters to get to the final product ;)
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Pretty cool card. Kinda missed the boat on it being generic for type 2 purposes because it works perfectly with the ability.
If only there was Crimson enhancement that could return evil characters to hand... And maybe even interrupt the battle, since Maltese Viper is CBN... ;)
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Really though the card is worded needlessly complicated ... I still think the card should be rewritten ...
I agree with Isildur that Viper's ability is worded so strangely (with the colon, and with the word "instead" coming at the end of the sentence). Is it too late to try to simplify that?
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I agree with Isildur that Viper's ability is worded so strangely (with the colon, and with the word "instead" coming at the end of the sentence). Is it too late to try to simplify that?
The cards have gone to print. We aren't able to make any further changes.
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A new week brings a new theme of card reveals!
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I'm interested to see what else is in the set that could possibly make that card useful!
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I'm interested to see what else is in the set that could possibly make that card useful!
Well, it helps out with Tossing, although I'm hoping that great care is taken when printing future Toss abilities on good cards. Evil Tossing is not nearly as scary; good Tossing has potential to be abused in a Thaddeus-like manner.
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I would almost like to see an identifier for enhancements that let's there abilities work through toss for that reason. Preferably on the defensive side. After the adverse affect that btn had on the game I am really surprised that something more powerful was created.
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Really though the card is worded needlessly complicated ... I still think the card should be rewritten ...
I agree with Isildur that Viper's ability is worded so strangely (with the colon, and with the word "instead" coming at the end of the sentence). Is it too late to try to simplify that?
I'm not sure what is so strange...instead is almost always at the end of a sentence. I guess the strange part is that you can "instead" your own ability on the same card, though I don't see that as being too much different then insteading an ability on a different card (such as when you use Wrath of Stan to send all of your angels to Chamber). The colon is used to signify that you decrease the Hero only whilst it is paralyzed, similar to how the ability on a placed card after the colon is only active whilst the card is placed.
As for Paralyze in general, we are making an effort to be very careful with how that ability is used. Because there are relatively few useful Healing cards (and almost all of them can be stopped very easily by CwD) putting a paralyze ability on a character that can block multiple times could be a quick way to result in an NPE, kind of the reverse of pre-block ignore, where a player has multiple characters that they cannot use. So that is why the paralyze part can only be used once unless some sort of trickeration is done to return it to your hand (for which there are a few options).
I would almost like to see an identifier for enhancements that let's there abilities work through toss for that reason. Preferably on the defensive side. After the adverse affect that btn had on the game I am really surprised that something more powerful was created.
There will be quite a few new ways to deal with Peace in this set, and those cards will be useful in general as well. And there will not be any toss abilities on good cards in the set.
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I don't think the ability is worded bad its just fine but looks a little interesting with the colon
The Maltese Viper
If blocking from hand paralyze and poison a hero in territory. Otherwise decrease a hero in territory 0/2. Cannot be negated.
That's 20 words compared to 28
Its less of a difference if you have to clarify poison but I am assuming poison will be a keyword soon?
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I don't think the ability is worded bad its just fine but looks a little interesting with the colon
The Maltese Viper
If blocking from hand paralyze and poison a hero in territory. Otherwise decrease a hero in territory 0/2. Cannot be negated.
That's 20 words compared to 28
Its less of a difference if you have to clarify poison but I am assuming poison will be a keyword soon?
The ability you have there does not indicate that it reduces the character 0/2 each upkeep as a result of that poison, which is why it is shorter. Since we already have 'instead' as a keyword, I think we should try to use that instead of 'otherwise' (longer as well) where we can.
Poison does have a definition in the current REG (under "Poison (Disease)").
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It doesn't need to clarify if decrease 0/2 per turn is in the definition of poison. Either way it will still end up being a shorter ability. It doesn't really matter because cards are already going to print and the ability works fine. The only thing that looks off is the colon at the end of the line not to big of a deal.
So if you can send the set list to my inbox I will be happy to check for any unwanted colons ;) ::)
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I'm not sure what is so strange...instead is almost always at the end of a sentence. I guess the strange part is that you can "instead" your own ability on the same card, though I don't see that as being too much different then insteading an ability on a different card (such as when you use Wrath of Stan to send all of your angels to Chamber). The colon is used to signify that you decrease the Hero only whilst it is paralyzed, similar to how the ability on a placed card after the colon is only active whilst the card is placed.
As for Paralyze in general, we are making an effort to be very careful with how that ability is used. Because there are relatively few useful Healing cards (and almost all of them can be stopped very easily by CwD) putting a paralyze ability on a character that can block multiple times could be a quick way to result in an NPE, kind of the reverse of pre-block ignore, where a player has multiple characters that they cannot use. So that is why the paralyze part can only be used once unless some sort of trickeration is done to return it to your hand (for which there are a few options).
The instead isn't hard to understand its just hard to read. The way the card triggers just doesn't flow like any other card I've seen. I thought it was odd how a fairly weak card was worded like that...
What bugs me is the instead was used as a way of nerfing the ability which really isn't that strong in the first place.
Here's my take on Paralyzing. Paralyzing is strong but its not thaaaat strong of a ability. To be perfectly honest Discarding, Capturing and Removal from the game are all stronger and easier to use abilities in comparison to Paralyzing.
Look at it like this... a Paralyzed character can be removed from its "Paralyzed" status at annnny time all that needs to happen is you play a Heal card. On the other hand you cannot retrieve Removed characters from the game. Characters that have been captured pretty much only go back if you have a Shuffler soul or you play I am Redemption. Discarded characters are somewhat easier to get back but how many top tier these days actually use Chariots of Fire or any other method to get back Heroes?
I had to stop using my Paralyzing deck after Boston nats because of the popularity of that Disciples Covenant that heals. My ENTIRE deck banked on the fact my opponent didn't have the space for a single healing card. It was successful because no one bothered to tech against it. If Paralyzing reallllly becomes a problem people will tech their decks and plop in a Brass Serpent to call it a day.
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One point about remove, capture, discard, etc. vs paralyze: Paralyze prevents you from playing a second one down. Yes, this is more of an issue in T2, but it is a critical one to consider. I can retrieve a character from my discard pile pretty easily (if it is a hero) and I can return captured characters with any number of cards (removal is indeed more permanent, but also restricted in use for that reason). With paralyze, that character is just...stuck, sitting in my territory, using up that unique identifier.
And as pointed out there are plenty of ways to stop the character being healed (CwD and Decree being the best) in basically every deck that doesn't include Peter (and even TC healers are limited by CwD).
It's not always for T1 that we have to consider the power of a card.
It doesn't need to clarify if decrease 0/2 per turn is in the definition of poison. Either way it will still end up being a shorter ability. It doesn't really matter because cards are already going to print and the ability works fine. The only thing that looks off is the colon at the end of the line not to big of a deal.
So if you can send the set list to my inbox I will be happy to check for any unwanted colons ;) ::)
It's not in the definition of poison how much the decrease is (or even that it is a decrease), you do have to specify that number explicitly (and that the poison decreases). It does need that clarification.
And while I can't share the set list currently, I will say that colons are things that we want to keep using on cards for explicitly tying together abilities ;)
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Really though the card is worded needlessly complicated ... I still think the card should be rewritten ...
I agree with Isildur that Viper's ability is worded so strangely (with the colon, and with the word "instead" coming at the end of the sentence). Is it too late to try to simplify that?
I'm not sure what is so strange...
As Isildur stated, it's the colon after the word "instead" that is awkward. Any SA that is out of the ordinary is always met with, "Mr. Harmon, what does this mean?" Remember that I deal with 6th graders, so simpler is better. ;)
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Look on the bright side: you don't have to try explaining anything to CountFount... we usually have to do that when he visits Minnesota for a tournament... ;)
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A full preview today and a half preview.
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Really though the card is worded needlessly complicated ... I still think the card should be rewritten ...
I agree with Isildur that Viper's ability is worded so strangely (with the colon, and with the word "instead" coming at the end of the sentence). Is it too late to try to simplify that?
I'm not sure what is so strange...
As Isildur stated, it's the colon after the word "instead" that is awkward. Any SA that is out of the ordinary is always met with, "Mr. Harmon, what does this mean?" Remember that I deal with 6th graders, so simpler is better. ;)
Understood. Writing abilities requires two separate balances: a card should be usable but not too powerful (which is the trickier and most important balancing act) but there is also a need to balance the ability length with ability clarity. Back before combos required a series of erratas to A New Beginning, it was explicitly clear exactly what it did, but the ability was absurdly long. The colon is something that was originally developed to replace "while it remains" to attempt to reduce the length of the abilities. In this and future cards, the colon will be used for other instant abilities that have a long term duration. For example, when a character is poisoned, it is an instant ability (the character was not poisoned and an instant later it is) however, it has a long term effect (the character remains poisoned). So in this case, the colon will replace the usual phrase "while it is poisoned". Of course, most of the time that phrase has been implied, but now it will be clear (hopefully, after awhile at least) that the decrease only occurs when it is poisoned.
The ultimate goal is to develop a wording system that will be consistent for all future cards, and to remove situations where there are five ways of saying the same thing. Usage of colons as described above is part of that system. It will probably take a bit of getting used to at the outset, but I think it will be a benefit to the game to have cards that are worded under a consistent system.
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At first, I wasn't a big fan of the colon use outside of "place" cards. But Jordan and Dayne convinced me that it's a good thing. It takes some getting used to, but once you know it's not confusing or difficult to understand.
Outside of the context of the entire Philippi theme, the first two previews might not appear very exciting. As the week goes on and the big picture comes into view, you may change your mind about them. Tomorrow's preview, Clement, will start to bring things to light.
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In this corner, the beatstick in clay, Clement!
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You guys missed a Half-spoiler in RDT's article.
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You guys missed a Half-spoiler in RDT's article.
Where in the counter article? Or are you talking about the Clement one.?
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You guys missed a Half-spoiler in RDT's article.
Revolt? That was spoiled last week in another article.
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You guys missed a Half-spoiler in RDT's article.
The 2 new previews from that article were posted. Revolt was also mentioned in the article but that had already been previewed in a previous article (you'll find it farther up on the list in the first post of this thread) if that's the one you're referring to.
*instaposted by Gabe*
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You guys missed a Half-spoiler in RDT's article.
Revolt? That was spoiled last week in another article.
Welllll, shows how little I pay attention!
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We have TWO full previews today and a half preview. I want to just say I'm really liking the art choices so far on this set!
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Clay is taking FBTN to a whole new level. Priscilla and Euodia can prevent OT enhancements, which is basically irrelevant to Clay but devastating to some OT evil themes. Both of these two heroes can be banded into battle CBI/CBN with other useful heroes (Priscilla and Syntyche). Clement is a classic FBTN hero, except that Philippi heroes like The Generous Givers can band to him. And Joy can make any of these Clay heroes + 7/0 and CBN.
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We were taking a different look at FBTN generally with these newer heroes. With Clement, we made the restriction on the FBTN purposefully, so that you have to dedicate yourself to using just Philippi and Missionaries (the latter has to be watched due to the way gaining identifiers works), and it is actually really easy to turn off with conversion (shown during testing). We adjusted bands to limit who could band into battle generally (so that Syntyche and Clement could not get in a negate-all battle where the numbers kept getting bigger, for example), and avoided a 4-copy Generous banding chain ending with one of these characters.
However, while FBTN (or pseudo-FBTN) is very good, outside of Moses abuse we really aren't seeing any real dominance of large FBTN chains. Further, we continue to make more ways to punish big bands, that are CBN as well, at the same time as these characters coming out.
Hopefully this process, whereby characters don't just negate everything without a restriction, continues to be how these new cards are made when FBTN is to be used. Negating enhancements only (and particularly just one testament) still leaves a lot of options as far as EC abilities, and restrictions on the FBTN allows for 'outs' to the opponent besides just removing the character.
The Philippi theme is all about building each other up and banding together, and the way it was handled showed great promise in testing without being over the top.
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really loving these clay fbtn options!! dreams come true with these!
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Wonder if we're getting a enhancement with the Philippians verse "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" this set that will increase your heroes by x/x based on the number of phillipi heroes in play/battle if you reveal SoG/a new dominant.
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The last of the Philippi previews are out today.
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Don't you think Epap is a little over the top with side battle cards?
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Don't you think Epap is a little over the top with side battle cards?
Nope ;)
I was really excited about this guy when we first looked at the list - His ability actually barely changed during PT. I built a deck that tried to abuse his Darius effect, and while I pulled it off a couple of times, it wasn't consistent enough that we were terribly worried about it. One thing that helps is that Clay doesn't have a side battle card, so you're going to be playing some kind of split-brigade idea, coupled with his condition for a missionary, the offence tends to get watered down pretty fast.
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Don't you think Epap is a little over the top with side battle cards?
"Epap" combos nicely with some of the clay green missionaries and Sword of the Lord. Combine that with a gray Pharisee or Roman defense so you can get CBN Paul's Belt. Recur Belt with EDITED BY R.O.S.E.S (oops, have we shown his ability yet?). Add DD for a side battle combo on defense with Idle Gossip. It makes for a strong, fun deck.
Someone might prove us wrong, but we didn't find any of that to be too strong, even combined together. There are a lot of situational combos there that just don't work all the time against other strong decks.
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Really like the new belt, way better than the previous protect/negate EE with lies, deceit, deception, and false in title ability. Although this is just a nit pick, but the limiting to N.T. Heroes seems a bit much as the only strong N.T. offenses are Disciples, TGT, Clays few themes, and maybe N.T. prophets w/ silver.
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Although this is just a nit pick, but the limiting to N.T. Heroes seems a bit much...
We get that, but we were also designing the AoG set as a part of the more expansive Spiritual Warrior theme, which is definitely a N.T. concept. So that is more the reason for the limitation than anything, to be more true to the source.
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... the only strong N.T. offenses are Disciples, TGT, Clays few themes, and maybe N.T. prophets w/ silver.
I find it odd that you would use the word "only" then name a bunch of potent offenses. Don't forget the Deacons! ;D
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First Armor of God reprint is live! Plus a contest!
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... the only strong N.T. offenses are Disciples, TGT, Clays few themes, and maybe N.T. prophets w/ silver.
I find it odd that you would use the word "only" then name a bunch of potent offenses. Don't forget the Deacons! ;D
That's because compared to the large amount of O.T. offenses tha are viable, the N.T. offenses that are viable are limited to what I listed, deacons being one. There is no N.T. offense for blue, gold has Luke/John but for it to really do good you need a Greek defense, and teal has only a handful of N.T. characters.
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... the only strong N.T. offenses are Disciples, TGT, Clays few themes, and maybe N.T. prophets w/ silver.
I find it odd that you would use the word "only" then name a bunch of potent offenses. Don't forget the Deacons! ;D
That's because compared to the large amount of O.T. offenses tha are viable, the N.T. offenses that are viable are limited to what I listed, deacons being one. There is no N.T. offense for blue, gold has Luke/John but for it to really do good you need a Greek defense, and teal has only a handful of N.T. characters.
You're just looking at it from a perspective of brigades, instead of themes. Clay has the highest density of distinct themes of any brigade, and more are coming in this set. The other brigades you mentioned are low-density in terms of themes, and therefore in terms of options for deck construction.
In OT Gold you have...judges. In OT Purple you have...kings. In OT Silver you have...angels. In OT Green you have...prophets. And so on.
In NT Gold you have...John/Luke. In NT Purple you have...disciples. In NT Silver you have...angels. In NT Green you have...prophets. And so on.
But where you have 'missing' brigades for NT, where the OT themes are just as limited as above, you have Clay's diversity instead. In Clay you have Missionaries, Deacons, Spiritual Warrior, and each of the churches as separate entities, with cards specifically written to benefit that one theme and built with enough characters to run alone or paired as you desire.
So it really isn't as limiting as you think, given the diversity of Clay generally.
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The Deacons don't need Clay help. They were awesome already. Parmenas ftw! :o
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But where you have 'missing' brigades for NT, where the OT themes are just as limited as above, you have Clay's diversity instead. In Clay you have Missionaries, Deacons, Spiritual Warrior, and each of the churches as separate entities, with cards specifically written to benefit that one theme and built with enough characters to run alone or paired as you desire.
So it really isn't as limiting as you think, given the diversity of Clay generally.
This may be a little off topic, but when are the other brigades going to get the diversity that Clay has? Because that would be really cool if every brigade had that kind of diversity.
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This may be a little off topic, but when are the other brigades going to get the diversity that Clay has? Because that would be really cool if every brigade had that kind of diversity.
I'm not sure that it will ever be the case, just due to the lack of themes with enough printable cards to put that many in every brigade. Also, there are some brigades where this is impossible (like silver) due to the nature of the brigade.
Further, printing everyone in Clay shows the unification in Christ in the new church, where there are different groups that can all work together, and it works very well compared to trying to figure out where to put each of these themes in other brigades.
Lastly, you're probably seeing the bulk of the 'push' to get Clay printed right now. There aren't as many more themes for printing into it in the future, and the last two sets were devoted to it. So it won't be the 'only' focus in future sets like it was in these (where the goal was to get it big enough to be viable).
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This may be a little off topic, but when are the other brigades going to get the diversity that Clay has? Because that would be really cool if every brigade had that kind of diversity.
To some degree they have it already. We will continue to work toward expanding that diversity as well.
For example:
O.T. green prophets can be built around - Isaiah or Ezekiel as a theme (using silver for support).
O.T. blue Genesis can be built around hand control, sons of Jacob or patriarchs. And don't forget about Job!
O.T. white can be built around Ruth, musicians or Daniel.
O.T. Teal has Z's Temple, Solomon's Temple, Tabernacle Priests and House of Eleazar Priests
We will continue strengthening, expanding and adding to the various themes with every set. If things go as planned a number of O.T. themes will receive a significant boost around this time in 2016.
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So it won't be the 'only' focus in future sets like it was in these (where the goal was to get it big enough to be viable).
I'm glad it didn't just become Teal 2.0...
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Out of the two pieces so far, I can see breastplate getting more play, especially in TGT and clay FBTN decks
My guess is for the other pieces are purple for sword, blue helmet, gold shield, and teal shoes . I don't care about the contest since I already preordered the set.
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Today's Armor protects the heart.
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In other news, I've got a 100% record on the brigade-guessing contest so far! :D
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Today's card has gotten no less than 4 songs about dancing stuck in my head....
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Also, I'm still 100% on my brigade-guessing! How have everyone else's guesses been going?
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Shoes of peace is a type two type card but is useless in type 2 except for its very small niche lol Breast plate is a pretty good card and so I suppose shoes let's you select another evil brigade to negate but I bet the other armors are better.
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Shoes of peace is a type two type card...
It's definitely more a T1 card. Soul drought is much rarer in T2, particularly over the course of the entire game, but in T1 this allows you to BC and hope to pop out souls. A very good multi card for that reason too, though the X is dependent on your use of AoG to get bigger.
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Its ability falls in to a category of cards played in type two, you know those cards that aren't necessary but helpful in some situations. Its a type one ability for sure yes but its too awful to really think about playing unless there's something else where you really need that extra X or works when all armors are in play
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At least the old Shoes of Peace has some playability if you can use it every turn (or attach it to the old Saint of Virtue, which is significantly easier with Christian Soldier and Soldier of God). That being said, Soul Drought does happen in T2, at the last tournament I had not 1 or 2, but 3 games that were, for the most part, determined by lack of Souls (although in one case there was some site usage), One of the games I would have won if my opponent had draw 1 more Lost Soul at any point during the game.
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Shoes of Peace would be very, very irritating if you put it on Seeker of the Lost.
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Hey so quick question... is there a limit to the number of territory class cards you can have on a single character? Is there any reason I couldn't just put ALL of these cards on a single character to make them protected from... well everything?
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Hey so quick question... is there a limit to the number of territory class cards you can have on a single character? Is there any reason I couldn't just put ALL of these cards on a single character to make them protected from... well everything?
I'd recommend using Cov of Josiah and Lampstand if you want to go that route.
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Hey so quick question... is there a limit to the number of territory class cards you can have on a single character? Is there any reason I couldn't just put ALL of these cards on a single character to make them protected from... well everything?
You can, but that is a lot of investment and set up into one character.
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Hey so quick question... is there a limit to the number of territory class cards you can have on a single character? Is there any reason I couldn't just put ALL of these cards on a single character to make them protected from... well everything?
You can, but that is a lot of investment and set up into one character.
Its much easier to pull off then you think hehehe ;D I might have to dust off and revise one of my more unique decks to try this out!
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Can't paste new AoG enhancement. Could be pretty dang irritating.
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Shields up!
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Sadly I guessed incorrectly for today's card, but I'm still 2/3 overall.
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The new Shieldeld is more useful than the kings version and the new Sphoes are in my opinion. I would've thought that the Sword would've been purple due to the royalty theme.
I think sword will have a decrease ability or a ignore non-human ability
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The shoes seem to be being underrated, but the shield is definitely better.
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Today's Armor protects the heart.
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In other news, I've got a 100% record on the brigade-guessing contest so far! :D
Yay! TGT Negat plus ignore!!!!!
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Yay! TGT Negat plus ignore!!!!!
If you're ignoring with TGT, you probably don't need that negate as much ;)
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Yay! TGT Negat plus ignore!!!!!
If you're ignoring with TGT, you probably don't need that negate as much ;)
I know but it's still cool to have the negate in there as an option...;)
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You guys couldn't let me have one correct guess could you? I had guessed gold for helmet.
Other than that I like it a lot. To me the best to worst armor goes: Breastplate, Helmet, Shield, Belt, and Shoes.
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Protectin your noggin since Ephesians.
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Protectin your noggin since Ephesians.
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FYI it's teal not gold, I think you posted the wrong image.
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First one to break from the throwback brigade definitions/themes. Good to know it was originally going to be Gold, still 3/3 in my mind B)
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Apologies, I haven't had a chance to actually read the article yet as work is super busy so I just took the first image I got to.
I've updated the image above and on the first page.
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Apologies, I haven't had a chance to actually read the article yet as work is super busy so I just took the first image I got to.
I've updated the image above and on the first page.
Looks much better! Sorry that we threw you a curve ball. ;)
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So, questions about Sword of the Spirit: Is it supposed to only be able to play good enhancements and is it supposed to be able to play them regardless of brigade?
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So, questions about Sword of the Spirit: Is it supposed to only be able to play good enhancements and is it supposed to be able to play them regardless of brigade?
By definition you can't play an evil enhancement on a hero, regardless of what else is going on, so it definitely won't let you play an evil enhancement. It also gives no ability to play regardless of brigade, so I would say it doesn't do that either. Basically think of it as any other "play an enhancement" ability, just with more limitations.
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Way more useful than the 7/5 if used against demon ability. My rankings of the new armor of God are:
1) Breastplate
2) Sword
3) Helmet
4) Shield
5) Belt
6) Shoes
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So, questions about Sword of the Spirit: Is it supposed to only be able to play good enhancements and is it supposed to be able to play them regardless of brigade?
By definition you can't play an evil enhancement on a hero, regardless of what else is going on, so it definitely won't let you play an evil enhancement. It also gives no ability to play regardless of brigade, so I would say it doesn't do that either. Basically think of it as any other "play an enhancement" ability, just with more limitations.
This is absolutely correct and how it will be ruled.
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Apologies for the delay in posting this, I've had a busy weekend.
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My question about this, since the increase is following the colon that seems to indicate it's a continuous/temporary increase (rather than an instant, permanent increase) so as X changes based on your other AoG enhancements would the increase also change or is it stuck to what the X is at the time it's placed?
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It would be a dynamic increase as written. So it becomes more powerful as more armor is added.
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A whopping 3 full previews today from the James sub-theme, which is a subset of the Jerusalem church.
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What I really want to know is which card depicts a better beard? I vote for Job's.
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What I really want to know is which card depicts a better beard? I vote for Job's.
I like the one on Mercy of Obi-Wan.
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The guy on the bottom right of Endurance of Job has a pretty sick beard.
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endurance of job is awesome!
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endurance of job is awesome!
I know, right?! Sick of Foreign Wives and EDITED BY R.O.S.E.S Just use Endurance of Job and Job. Punish your opponent without needing initiative. Now if we only had a clay character named Job... ::)
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Regardless of whether you use Job for more underdecking, this card is especially useful due to the X that defines its stats...considering how that can be used in combination with another ability ;)
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endurance of job is awesome!
Now if we only had a clay character named Job... ::)
"Love covers a multitude of sins."
Translated into redemption terms, "covers" reads "is placed on" and "sins" reads "characters printed in the wrong brigade"
I could see this being insane with Wash Basin.
EDIT: Nevermind, I didn't see when you use it with Job they can underdeck any card. That's actually pretty useless because they can just underdeck all of their lost souls.
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EDIT: Nevermind, I didn't see when you use it with Job they can underdeck any card. That's actually pretty useless because they can just underdeck all of their lost souls.
So we just need RDT or Isildur to come up with an insane combo that makes their opponent use Job and this enhancement! :o
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EDIT: Nevermind, I didn't see when you use it with Job they can underdeck any card. That's actually pretty useless because they can just underdeck all of their lost souls.
That's a...really good point...is it supposed to read that way?
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EDIT: Nevermind, I didn't see when you use it with Job they can underdeck any card. That's actually pretty useless because they can just underdeck all of their lost souls.
So we just need RDT or Isildur to come up with an insane combo that makes their opponent use Job and this enhancement! :o
Oh, that's easy. Just use Sent to Server to place Endurance of Job on Job, then use Dissuading Speech, Lies, or Sarah's Jealousy to choose Job as the rescuer.
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EDIT: Nevermind, I didn't see when you use it with Job they can underdeck any card. That's actually pretty useless because they can just underdeck all of their lost souls.
That's a...really good point...is it supposed to read that way?
It's not. I can say that this card was worked over many, many times to get the wording to be what we meant it to be, and I believe the second-to-last version did not specify hand and/or territory (to indicate that you used the same targeting as the first component). This got clarified, and now it is kind of broken as a result. I imagine this will be getting an errata/clarification, as it is supposed to have the exact same targeting for each component (evil cards in hand and/or territory), but we'll have to confer on that :)
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EDIT: Nevermind, I didn't see when you use it with Job they can underdeck any card. That's actually pretty useless because they can just underdeck all of their lost souls.
That's a...really good point...is it supposed to read that way?
It's not. I can say that this card was worked over many, many times to get the wording to be what we meant it to be, and I believe the second-to-last version did not specify hand and/or territory (to indicate that you used the same targeting as the first component). This got clarified, and now it is kind of broken as a result. I imagine this will be getting an errata/clarification, as it is supposed to have the exact same targeting for each component (evil cards in hand and/or territory), but we'll have to confer on that :)
yeah i read it initially as evil cards/ evil cards for both parts but i can see where someone would try to construe it to be lost souls to work in their favor with it's current wording haha
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James, Leader at Jerusalem is going to be insane with the old Rhoda.
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It's not a matter of trying to construe, it's what the card actually says. It'd be an easier argument to make that it doesn't need at least clarification if not errata if Maltese Viper weren't in the same set.
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I can already see which of these new souls would go best in my decks. kinda wish the tempted artwork was on a " Can only be rescued by a lone warrior class hero" lost soul cause that would be a ability that hinders lots of deck,although the N.T. decks won't be hindered too much with the spiritual warriors coming out in the new set.
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Revealed today are some very interesting Lost Souls.
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Apologies for the double post, but I wanted to point out that I've reorganized the first post of this thread.
It now lists the spoiled new cards in order by card number (for those I've been able to read it on, the small half-previews are really blurry in the corner, lol). The rarity is still in parenthesis after, and the card number is now before the card name and also colored based on rarity (black text is common, red text is rare, green text is ultra rare) for easy reference.
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Let's name them! The girl next door, predator, reacher
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Let's name them! The girl next door, predator, reacher
They actually already have names, lol. You can check out the LoR article or the first post of this thread to find out their official nicknames.
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It now lists the spoiled new cards in order by card number (for those I've been able to read it on, the small half-previews are really blurry in the corner, lol). The rarity is still in parenthesis after, and the card number is now before the card name and also colored based on rarity (black text is common, red text is rare, green text is ultra rare) for easy reference.
Awesome! Let me help with those card numbers.
37-Paul's Nephew
16-Philip's Daughters
15-Agabus
6-Jerusalem
61-Uproar in Jerusalem
72-Revolt
78-Centurion at Jerusalem
80-Roman Citizenship
73-Emperor Claudius
49-Of One Mind
3-Alexandrian Ship
60-Stormy Seas
44-Snake into the Fire
48-Healings in Malta
81-Pestering Spirit
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Thanks Gabe!
With that list, I've updated the first post with every card we've gotten even a half-image preview of with their numbers.
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I would've figured that Jude and James would band since they were brothers.
I think the underdeck "insert book" enhancement ability is a bit useless unless you play with 50 card deck or have ways to topdeck the enhancement, otherwise you will probably not use that enhancement again. The CTB ability is good and could redeemed a soul unless your opponent martyrs him or does a grapes of wrath to shuffle them into your deck, those only giving Jude a recur ability.
The enhancements I like, though I see them being more useful than the actual character.
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Jude the dude gets a reveal in today's Land of Redemption article (http://landofredemption.com/?p=1901).
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If you are using underdecking combos for good cards, you just have to use Silas (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Silas_(TEC)) to get them back faster. These mini-themes are also very good for either extremely fast or extremely sturdy decks, where being able to recur them will give you late-game power once you draw out. That's not even to mention the T2 potential for recurring and then shuffling or topdecking with Silas.
The CTB is going to be incredibly strong, but just like all CTB abilities it has a few weak points (which is very good for the game).
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Also using a Messenger of Satan's draw from bottom of deck is very handy with underdecking cards. Depending on the draw number and how you've played your underdeck you could get back a good "book" battle winner and an evil (Invoking Terror), and such. I like it for sure.
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Revealed today are some very interesting Lost Souls.
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I've spent a few years now looking for the revealer lost soul. A few days ago I finally got it only to see the preview of this lost soul.
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Jude the dude gets a reveal in today's Land of Redemption article (http://landofredemption.com/?p=1901).
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yayy!! more useful defensive/offensive toss cards!! :) really happy to see this!
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Silias's ability... do you get to choose to topdeck up to X or if you choose to use his ability you have to topdeck X?
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Silias's ability... do you get to choose to topdeck up to X or if you choose to use his ability you have to topdeck X?
You may topdeck. If you choose to, you topdeck up to X (your choice of value up to a maximum of X).
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Shame Kirk, myself and some of the old players who used to make twonky deck aren't active anymore. I have a feeling someone could make a pretty mean deck out of all these topdeck your own deck cards (hint hint).
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Today's preview shows off some new Kings of Israel support.
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Today's preview shows off some new Kings of Israel support.
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somebody loves shrine with gates ::)
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somebody loves shrine with gates ::)
Those two work very well together. I can assure you that it wasn't originally intentional. King Ahaziah was designed with that ability (due to his idol worship) before Shrine ever saw print. We were aware of it during testing. We have a couple people on our testing team that love Shrine. Maybe a little too much.
I recently found that the current REG list of cards that depict an idol has less than half of the cards listed that fit that definition! I've proposed several additions to the list (some of which are actually useful). Once it's approved we will share it. We won't make players wait for the new REG since they are legal choices already.
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No preview today? Only saw the devotion up on LoR. Was there supposed to be a magicians mini theme preview today
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No preview today? Only saw the devotion up on LoR. Was there supposed to be a magicians mini theme preview today
No preview today. The magicians got pushed off to next week. You can expect 4 new mini-theme previews next week! :)
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I've added all the preview card images to an Imgur gallery (http://imgur.com/a/mVtTS) which is open to anyone who uses that link, you don't need to create an account or anything.
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4 full previews and 2 half previews from the Ephesian church today!
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Ephesus Offense is looking pretty good... ;D
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Music Leader is by far my favorite card in the set. Can't wait till you can see his amazing ability.
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Magic is in the air with today's Land of Redemption preview article.
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If my sisters were on the boards I'm pretty sure they would tell you that Crooked Ways is the most annoying card ever for multi-player!
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MOAR MAGICIANS!
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WIZARDS IS BEING PRINTED!!!!!!!! ;D I've waited soooooooo long for this card!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When did Wizards first show up in playtesting? TexP? I wish you guys would have used the original Darth Sidious art :P
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WIZARDS IS BEING PRINTED!!!!!!!! ;D I've waited soooooooo long for this card!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When did Wizards first show up in playtesting? TexP?
A wizard card is never late, Isildur. Nor is it early. It arrives precisely when we mean it to.
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An excellent and long preview article on Heretics today with 2 full previews, 2 half previews, and 2 3/4 previews (tiny, but fully revealed).
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If Philetus was reprinted because he was being picked on by negate-battle-winners, how'd the reprint help with that?
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If Philetus was reprinted because he was being picked on by negate-battle-winners, how'd the reprint help with that?
He has smaller numbers than his disciples print.
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My Take
Wizards--- At first I was like woah and then I was like :-\ , most times your trading a lost soul for an evil enhancement and that's not counting all the times his ability will be negated.
The Judean Mediums- He's pretty good because often times I see magician defenses "stuck" with no link between SoT and Messenger
Philietus-- Okay I guess lower numbers make him worth a slot though its kinda soon for a reprint I think
Hymenaus--- I think its a good set up card to get your better heretics out
Hermogenes--- Pretty good a 5th Creeping Deceiver if you ask me who is not necessarily better or worse.
Phygellus--Phygellus is pretty good, he's not going to last long but thats okay
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If Philetus was reprinted because he was being picked on by negate-battle-winners, how'd the reprint help with that?
He has smaller numbers than his disciples print.
This is it exactly. His misprinted numbers were 11/4, meaning he'd almost never have initiative, whereas his new number (5/6) are more in line with the majority of the heretic theme, who normally win battles through protection instead of overwhelming the heroes.
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Alright seems like the only N.T. defense brigade I need a decent theme for is brown now. All the others are covered especially Black and Gray who each have 2 N.T themes
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Alright seems like the only N.T. defense brigade I need a decent theme for is brown now. All the others are covered especially Black and Gray who each have 2 N.T themes
We don't want every brigade to be the same. Brown has a few O.T. themes that offer a large scope of card opportunities. If we were going to give brown a N.T. theme we would have done it in EC & PC.
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Alright seems like the only N.T. defense brigade I need a decent theme for is brown now. All the others are covered especially Black and Gray who each have 2 N.T themes
We don't want every brigade to be the same. Brown has a few O.T. themes that offer a large scope of card opportunities. If we were going to give brown a N.T. theme we would have done it in EC & PC.
Not to mention that there are some brown NT ECs from previous sets that could be utilized. Wicked Thief, Governor Felix, Mocking Soldier, Angry Mob to name a few...obviously abilities aren't very strong with those ECs, but the ability to utilize Herod's Temple and take advantage of brown's strong evil enhancements that aren't restricted to a theme (Gib Trick, Dungeon, Plot, Wickedness Abounds) and I think you could make a playable Brown (mostly) NT defense.
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Plus, if you get your hands on a first print seek and destroy, that's a pretty good one for them too
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I like the idea of the reprint of philetus. If you do not have a lot of enhancements and new testement souls well if you protect the souls and even if you die because of numbers after protecting the souls then they have no special initiative and they are left in battle without a soul to rescue. I wonder how good a "soul protecting and discarding" deck would work
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If Philetus was reprinted because he was being picked on by negate-battle-winners, how'd the reprint help with that?
He has smaller numbers than his disciples print.
This is it exactly. His misprinted numbers were 11/4, meaning he'd almost never have initiative, whereas his new number (5/6) are more in line with the majority of the heretic theme, who normally win battles through protection instead of overwhelming the heroes.
Gotcha, thanks.
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Alright seems like the only N.T. defense brigade I need a decent theme for is brown now. All the others are covered especially Black and Gray who each have 2 N.T themes
We don't want every brigade to be the same. Brown has a few O.T. themes that offer a large scope of card opportunities. If we were going to give brown a N.T. theme we would have done it in EC & PC.
Not to mention that there are some brown NT ECs from previous sets that could be utilized. Wicked Thief, Governor Felix, Mocking Soldier, Angry Mob to name a few...obviously abilities aren't very strong with those ECs, but the ability to utilize Herod's Temple and take advantage of brown's strong evil enhancements that aren't restricted to a theme (Gib Trick, Dungeon, Plot, Wickedness Abounds) asupposeink you could make a playable Brown (mostly) NT defense.
Sounds to me like we need an evil windows of narrow light or something. But still at the end of the day there's no nt theme for brown, unlike every other evil brigade. Not really a big deal but any N.T evil Israelite's could be brown it could be a brigade like demons that spans ot and nt.
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There's also no NT theme for Blue.
I wouldn't say these will never happen, but we'll see what comes up in future sets. :)
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Great Colossi church preview today!
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Fun facts: There are only 14 TPC cards that we haven't seen at all thus far, 2 of which are the remaining ultra rares in the set and 4 are rares.
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Fun facts: There are only 14 TPC cards that we haven't seen at all thus far, 2 of which are the remaining ultra rares in the set and 4 are rares.
I see your quest to find leaks of the remaining UR has failed. Not to worry though, one of the cards is very silly so it doesn't matter anyway.
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Fun facts: There are only 14 TPC cards that we haven't seen at all thus far, 2 of which are the remaining ultra rares in the set and 4 are rares.
I see your quest to find leaks of the remaining UR has failed. Not to worry though, one of the cards is very silly so it doesn't matter anyway.
Have I missed any spoiled cards in the articles recently? I've done my best to check out all the card links that Gabe adds (today I almost missed that Word of Christ was a new, not-spoiled-before card but then I double checked!) but I know I've missed some a couple times in the past. I do my due diligence to provide the community with all the spoiled information I can find, but I'm not perfect. :P
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I'm interested in what all the other ur are!
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Have I missed any spoiled cards in the articles recently? I've done my best to check out all the card links that Gabe adds (today I almost missed that Word of Christ was a new, not-spoiled-before card but then I double checked!) but I know I've missed some a couple times in the past. I do my due diligence to provide the community with all the spoiled information I can find, but I'm not perfect. :P
I think you've caught everything. There was only one day you missed something and you quickly fixed it.
Redoubter is just cleverly trying to drop a clue about one of the other URs. Silly Redouter... ::)
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Silly Women reprint? That would be cool, but unless it's really awesome I would wonder why it's an ultra rare, haha.
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Silly Women reprint? That would be cool, but unless it's really awesome I would wonder why it's an ultra rare, haha.
I was wondering the same thing. But keep in mind that the Silly Women verse is the same verse as Creeping Deceiver, so a reprint would almost certainly be Crimson, and might even have the "Heretic" identifier. I'm not sure if they'd meet the definition or not, but the PTB have done an excellent job of looking at the historical meanings and circumstances surrounding TPC cards, so if they qualify, they'll print the card appropriately ;)
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I don't believe that Silly Women (either the current one or the potentially crimson et al. reprint) would qualify as a heretic. They just represent the ladies that fall victim to the teachings of the deceiving heretics.
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Silly Women reprint? That would be cool, but unless it's really awesome I would wonder why it's an ultra rare, haha.
Maybe our clues were too obvious. Too bad we're all done with sneak peaks (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Silly_Women_PC_sp.jpg) until the full spoiler is released.
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Man, now I want to know what her special ability is :) I guess I will have to wait
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This set is looking ridiculous. :o It's almost tempting just to buy the entire set from TLG...
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Just so that people know it's there, Gabe has furnished us with a preview of the second ultra rare in TPC.
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flandofredemption.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F07%2FSilly_Women_PC_sp.jpg&hash=3dfa32f6c499a6945bb0dd9e4b91c1319be1b763)
That leaves only 1 ultra rare still hidden, 4 rares, and 8 commons!
I've added Silly Women to the first page list (I think they're #56) but due to character limit issues (reached 5000 on BOTH POSTS!) I've had to remove the textual rarity indicator from the list of cards. As a reminder: a green number represents an ultra rare, a red number is a rare, and a black number is a common.
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Maybe our clues were too obvious.
Possibly, but my last post was also a clue as to the final UR ;)
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Maybe our clues were too obvious.
Possibly, but my last post was also a clue as to the final UR ;)
I couldn't find any references to quests in the NASB, so unless it was the second half of your second statement I missed the spoiler, lol.
EDITED BY R....REDOUBTER ;)
Pretty sure that card is actually getting an article very soon. Editing out to be safe, PMing you!
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So I chatted with Redoubter and after a brief blackout I have amnesia and don't remember what I was talking about....
Oh yeah! We were talking about UR clues. I feel like this final one will be hidden until the full list next week because I can't figure out anything it would be a reprint of so I'm guessing it's a brand new card.
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I think people will be pretty neutral about the last ultra rare.
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The Guardian said 'there's no NT theme for blue'. He's correct in part. Back when the apostles set was released, the deacons were blue brigade with Nicolas of Antioch being a gift set promo. Blue's main theme is Genesis. Should be interesting to see what the next set has in store for NT blue.
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I think people will be pretty neutral about the last ultra rare.
Honestly, one leak you gave really "altered" it...lol.
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Back when the apostles set was released, the deacons were blue brigade with Nicolas of Antioch being a gift set promo.
Well... Deacons were actually split across three different brigades (Blue, Purple and Gold) but thats besides the point ;D
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So the last ur must have something to do with alter or quest or leak
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I think people will be pretty neutral about the last ultra rare.
Honestly, one leak you gave really "altered" it...lol.
Honestly, this made me laugh so hard I started choking. I needed a tall drink of water
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I think people will be pretty neutral about the last ultra rare.
Honestly, one leak you gave really "altered" it...lol.
Honestly, this made me laugh so hard I started choking. I needed a tall drink of water
This started out fun, but it's getting weird real quick. I don't think I want to come into the thread anymore. It is a silly place.
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I needed a tall drink of water.
Based on what this meant when we played teams, I'm pretty sure I know what your talking about.
It's also been featured in a Steven Spielberg film starring Harrison Ford. ;)
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Somebody is on to you, John... ::)
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I needed a tall drink of water.
Based on what this meant when we played teams, I'm pretty sure I know what your talking about.
It's also been featured in a Steven Spielberg film starring Harrison Ford. ;)
Darn... With all the Monty Python hints I was hoping Holy Hand Grenade was getting printed!
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fddicerc.tripod.com%2F06e31be0.gif&hash=3b20fa740c94cb8b80fa38b030ad1bac5f175ae0)
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I thought it might be Holy Grail. It took me a bit to get to it, all this distraction about altering and silliness. Eventually the quest for a tall glass of water gave me a pretty good idea.
Redoubter was snickering the whole time, the meanie. ;)
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It's actually really funny, because after reading the clues a few hours ago, I had no idea what it was (although I was guessing it was an artifact) then some of my playgroup got together for some games, and one of them mentioned how it was strange that Holy Grail hasn't made an appearance since Warriors and was due for a reprint... then everything fell into place in my mind.
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Now that that cat is out of the bag... (What kind of saying is that anyway? Do people really keep their cat in a bag?)
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flandofredemption.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F07%2FHoly_Grail_PC.jpg&hash=fdd48f892fcb72e500270c2e1646c4519b2ac0be)
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And here I thought the Grail was going to be a promo. :-\
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YMT don't feel so bad. I was figuring on a reprint of the 'fountains of living water'.
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I gotta say I'm quite happy that 2 of the 3 URs in TPC are multicolor. T2 players won't need to collect a bunch of them for their collections ;)
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YMT don't feel so bad. I was figuring on a reprint of the 'fountains of living water'.
When we playtested the I&J Starter Decks, Holy Grail was in the mix as a promo. I had been waiting all this time to see it arrive, but now it shows up as an UR. If these URs are anything like the second TEC group, then they will be few and far between. :(
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I gotta say I'm quite happy that 2 of the 3 URs in TPC are multicolor. T2 players won't need to collect a bunch of them for their collections ;)
In reality all 3 you only maybe want one in each deck. I guess in type 2 you could put two in your deck and use one conversion per copy then use Uzzah on both, but you can only convert two people per game.
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I think we should just stick to the holy hand grenade :)
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I'm more sad that people didn't get my references about quests and silliness and a silly place ;)
But on availability of the card, there are a good deal of Grails out there from Warriors still, but brand new players don't have access. And by not tying it to a particular tournament type, we now have the option to get a new (and shinier, better worded) version in the latest set for players to collect instead (since you can't really open new Warriors packs to try and find one).
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Super excited! ;D I've always wanted a Holy Grail (as one who started playing after warriors was out of print) and now there's going to be a really powerful one.
Just a few observations: TGT, Chorazin, The God of this World, Lampstand, and Herod's Temple (also to a lesser extent Golgotha and shipwreck) received boosts in value.
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I'm more sad that people didn't get my references about quests and silliness and a silly place ;)
In my defense I've never actually seen that Monty Python all the way through.
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I'm more sad that people didn't get my references about quests and silliness and a silly place ;)
I was waiting for a reference about a killer bunny, shrubberies, flesh wounds, or being oppressed. ;)
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I've never seen it either I just like the idea of the holy hand grenade
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I'm more sad that people didn't get my references about quests and silliness and a silly place ;)
But on availability of the card, there are a good deal of Grails out there from Warriors still, but brand new players don't have access. And by not tying it to a particular tournament type, we now have the option to get a new (and shinier, better worded) version in the latest set for players to collect instead (since you can't really open new Warriors packs to try and find one).
Sure you can...just go to www.threelionsgaming.com and order yourself a brand new, un-opened Warriors pack. :D
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The odds of pulling a Holy Grail out of a warriors pack is kinda high. The Holy hand grenade is also a favorite in the computer game series 'Worms'. I'm curious as to what promos Rob was come out with to enhance this set.
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The odds of pulling a Holy Grail out of a warriors pack is kinda high.
Why would you say that? The odds would definitely not be in your favor.
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I'm more sad that people didn't get my references about quests and silliness and a silly place ;)
But on availability of the card, there are a good deal of Grails out there from Warriors still, but brand new players don't have access. And by not tying it to a particular tournament type, we now have the option to get a new (and shinier, better worded) version in the latest set for players to collect instead (since you can't really open new Warriors packs to try and find one).
Sure you can...just go to www.threelionsgaming.com and order yourself a brand new, un-opened Warriors pack. :D
It'd actually be cheaper to just buy a holy grail buy itself than to buy a pack. (that you most likely wouldn't even get one in) :D
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But how many of us can say that we've actually opened a Warriors pack? 8)
I know I can't.
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But how many of us can say that we've actually opened a Warriors pack? 8)
I've opened many Warriors packs, and never got a Holy Grail. I got all of my Grails from trading over the years.
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But how many of us can say that we've actually opened a Warriors pack? 8)
I know I can't.
I opened probably over 100 back in the day from David Easterling's convention booth at a convention once in hopes of pulling a Michael the Archangel, and I did get one!! Made my freaking day. Still have a few unopened :) Never got a Holy Grail out of a pack though!
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But how many of us can say that we've actually opened a Warriors pack? 8)
I've opened many Warriors packs, and never got a Holy Grail. I got all of my Grails from trading over the years.
I think I can claim to have opened at least 1. Fairly certain I participated in a booster draft once that included a Warriors pack.
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If I'm not mistaken back in Warriors wasn't there something different going on with the Rare and Uncommon sheets? I remember Chariots of Fire also being near impossible to pull back in the day.
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Fairly certain I participated in a booster draft once that included a Warriors pack.
One of my students found a Christian bookstore that had a whole box of them on clearance for $1 apiece. :o
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That's a nice find !!
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But how many of us can say that we've actually opened a Warriors pack? 8)
I know I can't.
I opened some back when they were in print when I was a little kid. I don't know if I still have it (cause I've gotten other copies of it since then, and I'm pretty sure I've traded/lost a few), but I do know I actually opened a holy grail from one of them, cause I had one in my collection when I got back into the game a few years ago.
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Holy grail is nice! I hope Auto gets a gold border in the new set ::)
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Fairly certain I participated in a booster draft once that included a Warriors pack.
One of my students found a Christian bookstore that had a whole box of them on clearance for $1 apiece. :o
I still hold out hope that one day I'll run across a Christian bookstore that has a couple boxes collecting dust. :P
Several years ago I bought out a bookstore that had maybe 20 or so Womens packs still at the $2/pack price.
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So here's information on the previously completely unknown cards from the commons podcast:
5 - Tartaros (Evil Fortress)
7 - Nero's Realm (Silver Site)
43 - Claudia (5/5 Clay Hero)
52 - Stronger than Men (2/2 Silver Enhancement)
54 - Roman Spear (5/0 Red/Gray WC Enhancement)
59 - Drusilla (3/6 Gray/Gold EC)
62 - RARE
76 - RARE
79 - Arrest in Jerusalem (2/2 Gray Enhancement)
82 - Rebellious Spirit (5/5 Orange EC)
88 - Cast into Lion's Den (3/3 White/Brown Enhancement)
Did Eleazar, Son of Aaron (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Eleazar_Son_of_Aaron_PC.jpg) get bumped up to a rare? It wasn't mentioned, and the rarity numbers we were given don't line up - I get 65 commons and 25 (presumed) rares instead of 64 and 26.
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Well done, Aggie! Yes, Eleazar is rare. He was previewed before rarity indicators were added to the cards.
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Finally, Tartaros is being reprinted! About time!
I have gotten two Holy Grails from TeXP packs. I am fortunate.
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Finally, Tartaros is being reprinted! About time!
Haha yeah maybe now the card will finally make sense ::)
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The full Persecuted Church set is now released in a convenient PDF on Land of Redemption. You can view it here. (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/ThePersecutedChurchFull.pdf)
I will no longer be keeping the list in this thread up-to-date with card images though it's a good reference for trading/collecting to compare numbers to card names.
Is everyone else as excited for this set as I am? :D
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TLG will have a handy check-list for the new set available at Nationals.
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Finally, Tartaros is being reprinted! About time!
Haha yeah maybe now the card will finally make sense ::)
I am fairly happy with the new tartaros! And the first ones special ability did leave me utterly confusled :)