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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Redemption® Resources and Thinktank => Topic started by: Red on January 16, 2013, 11:24:56 PM
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As much as I hate to think this way, the future for this game looks pretty bleak. No new cards till what nationals? This season will be slow... Any updates on the New set Elders?
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Dead within 5 years, revived whenever me and Chris and Olijar become multibillionaires.
Rob has kept it afloat for an awesome long time, but I just don't see how he can keep doing it. The finances has been the problem this year, and I really don't see starter decks fixing that. The whole Redemption market is in shambles right now, and there are few things actually worth buying. From a financial perspective, Redemption is dead weight upon Cactus.
That said, if Redemption died, I would attempt to assemble a team to put together RTS expansions and have monthly tournament or something like that.
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It will linger because we are using a tried and true method of keeping dying franchises alive. The new starter decks will be:
Redemption Black & Redemption White
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It will linger because we are using a tried and true method of keeping dying franchises alive. The new starter decks will be:
Redemption Black & Redemption White
Redemption X & Redemption Y will be so much better.
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Did YMT really just imply that Pokemon is dying?
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Did YMT really just imply that Pokemon is dying?
YMT remembers when the naysayers were suggesting that Pokemon was dying... ;)
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The whole Redemption market is in shambles right now, and there are few things actually worth buying.
To be honest I think this is the main reason the game is slowly dieing. The collectable aspect of the game really isnt there like it was a few years back since I can now buy almost any card for a dollar or less. Even the tin cards are starting to drop in price as the years go by.
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It will linger because we are using a tried and true method of keeping dying franchises alive. The new starter decks will be:
Redemption Black & Redemption White
Dude, don't know what you're talking about, I have Redemption Black & White 2 plugged into my 3DS right now.
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A friend and I were having a similar discussion a few days ago. It does look like Redemption might be dying. But lack of a set is not proof of that.
First of all, if I remember correctly, Rob is committed to keeping Redemption going as long as he can. Secondly, many of the players are committed to keeping Redemption going for as long as Rob will keep printing card (and longer). Thirdly, there could always be another Warrior's set (the set that saved Redemption back when it was dying last time).
Of course I do understand the realities of the matter, that Cactus is a business and if Redemption isn't worth the cost it may have to get cut, but I don't think we should prepare Redemption's Eulogy's quite yet.
That said, if Redemption died, I would attempt to assemble a team to put together RTS expansions and have monthly tournament or something like that.
If that happens I'd love to be on the team.
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That said, if Redemption died, I would attempt to assemble a team to put together RTS expansions and have monthly tournament or something like that.
If that happens I'd love to be on the team.
^ditto 8).
But, in all honesty, there may be a few avenues still open. Drawing new players is always helpful because they're willing to buy all the old stuff since they're discovering it for the the first time. I remember when Magic: The Gathering (off of which I'm told Redemption is based) piloted the "Guru Program" where they would send a "Guru Starter Kit" to those interested in teaching new players how to play and giving certain incentives to both the "Gurus" and the new players (e.g. special promo cards, boosters, etc.). They had a system for verifying the Gurus were drawing new players (I think something like a recommendation when you make online purchases) to track the success of the system. Also, the richness intrinsic to the source of this game's inspiration (namely Sacred Scripture) is inexhaustible, so potential for new material is never wanting, but it seems from the above that it is not necessarily new material, but players (or more specifically buyers) that seem wanting?
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Reports of Redemption's (and Mark Twain's) death have been greatly exaggerated :)
I actually think that the new starter decks WILL make a big difference for the game. They will bring in new players, which means new business, which means that the game keeps on keepin' on. The best way to help out is for everyone to start their own playgroup with their friends.
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I can't speak for other areas of the country, but the playgroup in my area is growing and thriving. We've had 20 new 8-14 year olds learn the game in the past 6 months. I get around 2-4 new people each month when we host playgroup.
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Playgroups grow and decline ... and often then grow and decline again.
But around the country it often happens that while one playgroup is in a period of decline, another is in a growth period.
Then there are sometimes product releases that spark a revival across multiple playgroups. Warriors did it once. The new starters might do that again. Rather, the new starters might spark the creation of multiple new playgroups (and perhaps the revival of a few waning ones).
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Redemption won't "die" per se as long as Rob wants to produce it. The competitive realm of it might die, but not the game itself.
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Dude, don't know what you're talking about, I have Redemption Black & White 2 plugged into my 3DS right now.
Further evidence that allegedly dying franchises can be rejuvenated with a good release. ;)
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If nothing else, (which I find unlikely), keeps Redemption going, I believe Booster draft will. The randomness ensures that every game is at least a little different.
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Reports of Redemption's (and Mark Twain's) death have been greatly exaggerated :)
I actually think that the new starter decks WILL make a big difference for the game. They will bring in new players, which means new business, which means that the game keeps on keepin' on. The best way to help out is for everyone to start their own playgroup with their friends.
I have talked about this in different posts over the last year.
I believe we need to start a Redemption Campaign! Each play groups goal would be to invite or recruit three people per person in each group to try Redemption. Weither it be a new friend from school, a new co-worker, a family member (cousin etc.), next door neighbor, mailman, different churches, etc. If we all made this our goal in 2013the we could see a huge demand fir the game. (We could even force a second printing of the new set) I think Rob should appoint a person to start the campaign and carry it out.
Just my 2 pennies...
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Redemption won't "die" per se as long as Rob wants to produce it. The competitive realm of it might die, but not the game itself.
Unless he, you know, can't.
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It's less about the size of the playgroups and more about the number. The "Tournaments" page on cactus has grown continually smaller, and currently is pretty much just 3 states--NY, MN, and MA.
At this point, Starter Decks are probably the best bet, but I don't think it will solve the financial issue. We need to get more players, yes, but they also need to stick around and be dedicated, buying other stuff (which are pretty cheap and generally not bought from Cactus at this point).
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It's less about the size of the playgroups and more about the number. The "Tournaments" page on cactus has grown continually smaller, and currently is pretty much just 3 states--NY, MN, and MA.
This doesn't necessarily mean that the number of tournaments has decreased. I think that the whole "impromptu" tournament options is primarily responsible for the decline in listings on the website. Instead of sending in stuff far in advance, people are just holding these impromptu tournaments and sending in the info afterward. At least that's why KY isn't showing up anymore.
Our playgroup (which is also up this year to it's highest level) had a couple tournaments in the fall, and a tourney this weekend with Booster Draft, T1-2p, and TEAMS. We'll probably have a couple district level tournaments during the spring semester, and are planning on hosting KY state this summer.
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I think the NY, MN, and MA hosts just have more money to put up front to offer tournaments well in advance. I just live one tournament at a time. ;)
I also agree that impromptu tournaments have likely increased, while future tournaments (more than 2 months from now) have decreased. This is not a good judge of the total number of tournaments that Cactus will get paid for this year compared to previous years.
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Is the world ready for a true online component to redemption that would solve its biggest problem, availablity of players, and could solve their revenue stream? The world may never know. Yes if only we had some sort of version of Redemption that was....Online....that was better than RTS.....if only...
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Im not sure about other playgroups, but the Roanoke VA one is almost dead. We are lucky if we get more than five people at the meets... In my opinion, If we want new players, then we need to start to make the game simpiler. I think if there werent as many rules then more people would be interested.
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All games come with rules. Easy and hard. If it were easy nobody would do it cause it isnt a challenge.
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Im not sure about other playgroups, but the Roanoke VA one is almost dead. We are lucky if we get more than five people at the meets... In my opinion, If we want new players, then we need to start to make the game simpiler. I think if there werent as many rules then more people would be interested.
Just Saiyan Magic does have more rules than we do. Not to mention the mountain of keywords and cards to keep track of in any non block/standard format. Yet somehow, they have more players than we do:P Simplicity isn't the answer.
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I don't think the game is completely dead, but it's certainly been on the decline since 2007-2008.
Significantly smaller number of tournaments. Some compensated by the fact that people don't like to post them.
Significantly smaller number of players at nationals.
Significant financial difficulties delaying a set 9 months.
I think more playgroups are disappearing than forming. Austin MN is gone. SomeKittens' playgroup is gone. Pretty sure Schaef's playgroup is gone. Marti's playgroup is gone. Not sure about Bryon's or the DeLaRosa's. The NW disappeared awhile ago. Is Craig's group still around? I know the Kansas City playgroup was touched by the Nats Kiss of Death.
Not trying to complain, just trying to face the facts. I love Redemption and will be with it til death due us part. Or at least until I get a life. It's got nothing to do with the metagame or the elders or Rob or the community. Just where I see Redemption heading right now, unless something changes. Maybe starter decks will be enough to do that change, maybe not.
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I know the Kansas City playgroup was touched by the Nats Kiss of Death.
QFT. :'( I'm sure we all remember when Kansas City used to be one of the biggest playgroups in the country (twice).
Game has for sure been slowly dying. I like to blame it started when we let the art director design an entire set. :P The game definitely needs some kind of relaunch, everything feels so outdated.
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New starter decks and sets will certainly help revitalize existing players (as will booster drafts), but to get new players people will have to expose the game in various ways. If you have game shops near you that allow players to play at the shop this is a great way to gain exposure to the game. My wife and I decided we'd go to the local coffee shop (which is pretty much the central social hub of our small town) and play a game there every now and then, which definietly attracts attention. We also posted an ad at a local shop for interest in a playgroup. We'll probably put a similar ad in the Church bulletin and a community website as well. Just casting a wide net and waiting to see the kind of catch Our Lord has prepared.
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With the Message Board being down as long as it was, I was about to suggest giving Red the identifier of "Prophet."
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Hey, I'm back...that's gotta count for something ;D
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4th Edition starters (plus a card pack for RoA # 26 and promo cards) should go to printer soon. Overall Cactus is doing well. It's first by God's grace and then thanks to Cranium, Scrabble, Apples to Apples, Taboo and the toy line. I still care about Redemption and have not given up. Even so, it only represents 5% of our sales these days. Therefore, I have to be careful not to let it take too much of my time. We will hope for and work toward the new starters making it easier for new players to enter the game and see what happens. I still get calls or e-mails from parents who have discovered the game and have children old enough to play. They are very excited. This more than anything drives me to keep it going. Whatever happens, Redemption has already done much good and given me some of my best friends these last 17 years.
Blessings,
Rob
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Hey, I'm back...that's gotta count for something ;D
Maybe you can lead our 2013 Campaign? ;D
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4th Edition starters (plus a card pack for RoA # 26 and promo cards) should go to printer soon.
Woo-hoo! ;D
Overall Cactus is doing well. It's first by God's grace and then thanks to Cranium, Scrabble, Apples to Apples, Taboo and the toy line.
Great to hear, Rob!
I still get calls or e-mails from parents who have discovered the game and have children old enough to play. They are very excited. This more than anything drives me to keep it going.
I can vouch the continued excitement of new players, and their parents.
I had an interesting situation occur today that made me appreciate Redemption all the more. I took my kids into a local Comics & Hobby store while my wife was shopping next door. They happened to be holding a tournament for a secular card game. My 6-year-old was very excited to look at the My Little Pony toys on the shelf, but after about 5 minutes in the store she tugged on my shirt and said, "Daddy can we leave now." She looked frightened, mostly because of the teens that were swearing and shouting at each other. This was a stark contrast to our Redemption tournaments where she laughs along with Josh Kopp's antics, or sits next to her brother to watch him play.
* Note that the behavior we witnessed was not necessarily indicative of normal tournaments for secular card games. *
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Thanks Rob for all you've done for this game and your dedication to keep it going! Glad to hear this!
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I can vouch the continued excitement of new players, and their parents.
I had an interesting situation occur today that made me appreciate Redemption all the more. I took my kids into a local Comics & Hobby store while my wife was shopping next door. They happened to be holding a tournament for a secular card game. My 6-year-old was very excited to look at the My Little Pony toys on the shelf, but after about 5 minutes in the store she tugged on my shirt and said, "Daddy can we leave now." She looked frightened, mostly because of the teens that were swearing and shouting at each other. This was a stark contrast to our Redemption tournaments where she laughs along with Josh Kopp's antics, or sits next to her brother to watch him play.
* Note that the behavior we witnessed was not necessarily indicative of normal tournaments for secular card games. *
I can vouch for the same experience every time I walk into the store where they hold MTG tourneys. My kids don't even ask to go down there anymore.
Awesome to hear Rob. My kids are defiantly excited!!
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I still get calls or e-mails from parents who have discovered the game and have children old enough to play.
HA~ My wife and I are grandparents (40 somethings) that have just discovered this and we love playing it!
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I still get calls or e-mails from parents who have discovered the game and have children old enough to play.
As one of theses parents whom has just discovered redemption and contacted Mr rob in the last 2 to 3 months. I was shocked to find out that it has been around since the 90's. Iv grown up in church, went to high school during its release. And had never herd of it. After stumbling across it in the new christian "big box store" in the area. I asked my youth pastor and my children's church pastor if they had herd of it and they hadn't. It seems to me that their needs to be more marketing to the church crowd. Even in this economy most of them that can, will spend money on toys and faith based products, especially when they are one and the same.
And again Mr rob thank you for all of your toys and games which reinforce the spiritual values which I try to instill in my children and their freinds.
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Redemption is barely marketed at all, and pretty much all the marketing that is done is already geared towards Christians. Times are tough right now, and very few parents are going to spend more than $15 on some game unless it's being actively pitched to them (like John does at Creation East).
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Maybe you could encourage some players to pitch it to their church (or other churches in their area), perhaps even providing some incentive for those who do so (maybe a promo card, or a booster, or something)?
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what would really help the game is if we advertise, it shouldn't take money really, just people looking to give their time and effort to a good cause for God. i mean if i could, i'd be more then willing to advertise, i mean if i have to lose a game to help promote the game, then im more then willing to take the loss to help the game grow. i mean there's more to this game besides winning and losing. i love this game and my passion for it hasn't leaked a drop at all since i started and i would be more then willing to help the cause. i may have a job now which takes up alot of time but i still have some time where i can spare before work, time permitted. but one thing i really don't wanna see is to see the game i've come to know and love for almost 8 years to die suddenly cause of lack of interest. we all need to work together as one to help the game grow
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Wouldn't these be 5th edition starters?
A/B
C/D
E/F
G/H
This one?
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My two cents: ALWAYS have a starter set with you anywhere you go. I have kept mine sleeved. I have two or three sets in case a group wants to learn the game --- an instant multi-player endeavor. God always and always takes care of the rest .... in His time. That is how it all started with MTG players in my part of the world who now have Redemption in their blood as well.
At this stage in my life and age, I have been devoting 95% of my Redemption time to teaching the game....relentlessly. Ergo, you see me less in the hosting realm. I do not care who wants to learn it, when, or where. Nevertheless, the efforts may indeed have produced a couple of new gaming hosts.
Since I know that I enjoy more and am better at spreading the The Bible in game form than in book form, Redemption has been and will always be my own way of letting others know about God.
I may have taught more than a couple of thousand persons to date and have gotten perhaps a little less than 1% from that, current active players and former national champs --- I do not despair. I rejoice at each single moment that I have done my job, my share in sharing the gift of Redemption to people's hearts. And once in a while, I get a surprise when someone who I had taught the game once and long time ago will have a son or daughter playing and teaching the game as well. For instance, I may not know this person (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/redemption-card-play/newness/msg499082/#msg499082) at all, but I just feel the awesomeness of God's timing for Redemption --- He will take care of the game...I know He will.
IMO, this is all that a Redemption players needs to do, apart from being a competitive gamer ---- just keep spreading Redemption good news.
Peace and blessings, all.
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it's certainly been on the decline since 2007-2008.
I think more playgroups are disappearing than forming. Austin MN is gone. SomeKittens' playgroup is gone. Pretty sure Schaef's playgroup is gone. Marti's playgroup is gone. Not sure about Bryon's or the DeLaRosa's. The NW disappeared awhile ago. Is Craig's group still around? I know the Kansas City playgroup was touched by the Nats Kiss of Death.
It should be noted that SomeKittens and the DeLaRosa's playgroups didn't exist in 2007-2008. They came and went between then and now, so that's a wash. Bryon's group is still going, and I went to a district of Schaef's in 2007 and there were only a handful of people there, so that's not a big loss. I've heard that the KC group was big, and the NW was a significant presence back in the day, so those and Marti's group and the Austin MN group are 4 large losses.
But my playgroup has put KY on the map since 2007. We just had 16 people playing at an impromptu local T1-2p, TEAMS, and Booster tournament this weekend. uthminister/crustpope have consistently put on great tournaments in OH starting around 2007. YMT has put Fl on the map since 2007, and regularly puts on great tournaments down there. CrashFach has put TN on the map in just the last couple years and even hosted a Nats (and still has a big group post-Nats). Ken Locklin has kickstarted WI in the last year or two as well. Meanwhile, TX is back after being down for a couple years, and MN, NY/MA, and MD are still strong.
So while I miss some of the guys who are gone, lets celebrate the guys who are still going strong :)
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Currently, I haven't heard anything of tournaments here in WI since I held mine, so right now we all are trying to settle down a bit more and find some places (and people) for hosting for now. So the playgroup here is just kinda holding together just enough.
I personally don't think that Redemption is dying per say, it's just in a slow cycle. Other games have gone through it before (I remember when Yugioh did) and eventually it will speed back up when the Starters come (as well as everything else) and the game starts running at full speed again. The economy being in the slums hasn't helped either, but I do agree maybe some advertising would help the game as well.
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, and the NW was a significant presence back in the day,
Quoted for truth.
We had 35 players at our NW Regional back in the day, and that was WITHOUT other regions' visitors! Of course, many of our NW players had to drive hundreds of miles through some of the most dangerous mountains to get to our tournaments, as opposed to driving 60 miles up the turnpike to get to another region's tournaments. The best playgroup builder in my opinion is NWJosh. It isn't just because he was a youth pastor either. He had a way of both sparking an interest in the game and fanning the flames. It also helped to have Big Ben at our tournaments, probably the most well-liked player in the nation let alone our region.
The NW is not dead. Like the bears indigenous to our region we are only in hibernation. When we awaken we will be hungry.
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The NW is not dead. Like the bears indigenous to our region we are only in hibernation. When we awaken we will be hungry.
Does that mean you are attending the Type 2 Only this year?
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The NW is not dead. Like the bears indigenous to our region we are only in hibernation. When we awaken we will be hungry.
Does that mean you are attending the Type 2 Only this year?
I WILL attend some year soon...unfortunately there are several activities I am committed to this year. Rest assured, I will be playing an ANB deck when I do. ;)
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My Nazareths await... 8)
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I don't think Redemption will ever die because it has the living and breathing word of God on it.
KingLeo 8)
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I don't think Redemption will ever die because it has the living and breathing word of God on it.
KingLeo 8)
Maybe the most insightful statement in this entire post.
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Me and my friends tried to teached kids at a christian school's after school thing. The school is on a church's campus so you would think there wouldn't be a problem. Well they said that since they've told kids they can't play games like yugioh, MTG, and other secular card games it wouldn't be fair to those children if they allowed others to play Redemption.
That is one problem that some prople face when trying to get other people from christian schools or churches, everyone has to be fair and PC these days.
The last time I played a game was in sometime around Oct or Dec, and the reason is me and my friend got a little bored with the cards, and we have tried different strategies. We even made proxy cards to spice the game up, but over all when the only way currently to play other experienced players is to meet with others on the EC of Florida which is only about 45min to 1 hour drive or the group in Orlando which is a little more than 3x the drive or more. So I can say that in Florida groups are pretty scattered.
The largest our play group was is back in 5th grade for me which was the 2002-2003 school year. After that our group dropped from about 20 or 30 o only 2 people.
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Well they said that since they've told kids they can't play games like yugioh, MTG, and other secular card games it wouldn't be fair to those children if they allowed others to play Redemption.
I can see that being the case at a public school, but a private Christian school? Wow...that must have been incredibly frustrating for you. I hope you stick with it and can find some more people around you.
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So I can say that in Florida groups are pretty scattered.
I think people don't realize just how big of a state Florida is. When I lived in the Northeast, you could hit seven states in less than 300 miles, whereas here in Florida you could drive for 700 miles and still be in Florida. I realize that this is true in other states as well, but I was comparing what it is like for me. From CT, I used to be able to get to both Roy's tournaments in NY and John M.'s tournaments in MA in half the time that it would take the Delarosa's to come to my tournaments here in FL.
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When we would me the Delarosas we would meet half way in Clewiston since we are on opposite coasts. Its been a year since we met due to busy work schedules on both our sides
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So I can say that in Florida groups are pretty scattered.
I think people don't realize just how big of a state Florida is. When I lived in the Northeast, you could hit seven states in less than 300 miles, whereas here in Florida you could drive for 700 miles and still be in Florida. I realize that this is true in other states as well, but I was comparing what it is like for me. From CT, I used to be able to get to both Roy's tournaments in NY and John M.'s tournaments in MA in half the time that it would take the Delarosa's to come to my tournaments here in FL.
I know what you mean. I'm in the central valley in CA and to get to Bryon's tournaments, I drive about four hours one way (which is why I can go to only one or two of his tournaments per year).
Two major things have been hindering my playgroup from growing more than a couple of people:
1) My personal life. I am a husband to a woman that I still can’t believe God has allowed me to marry , I am a father to three kids that God has blessed us with (which only one of them plays), and I work full time Monday thru Friday. I am also a devote family man in the sense that I do not want to spend a lot of time away from my family. Due to all this, finding a time to have the playgroup has always been hard. We have finally settled on Wednesday nights before Bible study. This is also great since my lovely wife also does a book club at the same time. However, this leads to the second issue
2) Transportation. Since Bible study is at 6:30, we meet twice a month at 5:30. However, it is extremely difficult for parents to get off of work at five, rush home, and get their children to Redemption by 5:30. Since I do get off at 4:30, I do end up picking up one of the players before I go to church (the other player lives across the street so he just walks). I will probably start picking up a potential new player before our next meeting but then I’m max out on time. We do have a church shuttle but the drivers are not available to drive across town in time to get back, drop the people off, then go get the usual people that they pick up that night.
Right now, our play group is just four of us (with hopefully a fifth one joining soon (he actually used to play with us when I was doing the Kings study/Redemption nights during Wednesday night church but when the pastor moved Sunday school to Wednesday night in order to have two services on Sunday, I stopped teaching that class)). If all the rumors on how good the new starter decks is for teaching are true, I will try another push at my church. Also, since my kids do go to a Christian private school that goes up to eighth grade, I might approach them next year in regards to Redemption.
I have tried giving up on Redemption a few times but God keeps bringing me back in for some reason. So though I’m not really passionate about it right now, I’m staying until His will is completed.
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So I can say that in Florida groups are pretty scattered.
I think people don't realize just how big of a state Florida is. When I lived in the Northeast, you could hit seven states in less than 300 miles, whereas here in Florida you could drive for 700 miles and still be in Florida. I realize that this is true in other states as well, but I was comparing what it is like for me. From CT, I used to be able to get to both Roy's tournaments in NY and John M.'s tournaments in MA in half the time that it would take the Delarosa's to come to my tournaments here in FL.
700 miles where the tallest mountain is an overpass. ;D
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700 miles where the tallest mountain is an overpass. ;D
Someone needs to come to my tournaments... ;)
I live in Lake County, FL, which has miles and miles of rolling hills (and lakes, too!). Granted they do not match mountain-type heights, but they are much higher than an overpass (unless you are including overpasses of a gorge). I guarantee that most people would not want to ride their bikes up and down our hills, unless they were using PEDs.
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I'd be more afraid of the gators than the hills
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I'd be more afraid of the gators than the hills
Hence the need for PEDs, because you know the Florida Gators are using them. :o ;)
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Ban Gatorade!
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The future of Redemption, is about two hours away when my wife is sitting across from me. Of course she'll be close to decking before she even draws her first lostsoul............... >:( As per usual..
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I dont think that the game will die out completely. It may slow down but there is always word spread and people wanting to learn. I wish more stores would sell packs and things again. Only place to buy them know is online.
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I dont think that the game will die out completely. It may slow down but there is always word spread and people wanting to learn. I wish more stores would sell packs and things again. Only place to buy them know is online.
My local Family Christian Store still sells them. Unfortunately, every time I go in there, my son and I find several opened boosters and TexP packs. Good ole' Pine Hills. ::)
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The game will never die in the sense that people will probably always be playing it, but if things don't turn around financially the new sets and official tournaments side will likely shut down. Rob isn't really making enough money off of Redemption to keep it going right now, he's doing it for the people who play the game. As a business man, he can't continue to bleed money for the game forever.
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My local Family Christian Store still sells them. Unfortunately, every time I go in there, my son and I find several opened boosters and TexP packs. Good ole' Pine Hills. ::)
I have found the same thing at several big chain fcs.and was very disharted at that until I realized that atleast those that need to read the cards the most, are getting to one way or another.
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I don't think Redemption will ever die because it has the living and breathing word of God on it.
KingLeo 8)
So did The Mission, SoulQuest, Bible TCG, Bible Battles and Timestream
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There was also that one game that had artwork from the same people behind Magi Nation. Principality I think was the name.
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There was also that one game that had artwork from the same people behind Magi Nation. Principality I think was the name.
I have that game. I actually like it.
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4th Edition starters (plus a card pack for RoA # 26 and promo cards) should go to printer soon. Overall Cactus is doing well. It's first by God's grace and then thanks to Cranium, Scrabble, Apples to Apples, Taboo and the toy line. I still care about Redemption and have not given up. Even so, it only represents 5% of our sales these days. Therefore, I have to be careful not to let it take too much of my time. We will hope for and work toward the new starters making it easier for new players to enter the game and see what happens. I still get calls or e-mails from parents who have discovered the game and have children old enough to play. They are very excited. This more than anything drives me to keep it going. Whatever happens, Redemption has already done much good and given me some of my best friends these last 17 years.
Blessings,
Rob
I'm late to this thread, but let me say, I have stock-piled cards should something ever happen to the game. 8)
Was an avid player in the warriors/apostles era, my friends have since sold their decks. I still can't wait to buy another booster pack any chance I get, and eagerly wait for my handful of kids to get old enough to teach them to play.
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I am working with a game company that is continuing/reviving a game originally produced by TSR back in 1995 (about the same time as Redemption). It's been a tough road, but by becoming a niche market game with pretty limited releases we have managed to help the game survive (it's demise had been predicted on several occasions), grow a little bit, and even have a new product on the market this summer. However, those of us in on this make NOTHING on the game-every cent goes into promotion and production of new products and reprints. Rob obviously can't do that, since he has to make money to feed his family and pay the mortgage.
However, should Cactus decide to discontinue support for Redemption at some point there is the possibility that a savvy group of gamers might look into getting permission to produce new products for the game and do it on a smaller basis as a hobby. Just don't expect to become rich from trying this.
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I'm a fairly new player and I've recently exposed some of my friends to this game. They've taken to it quickly and really well. Bring from Canada, I noticed the market for Redemption is mainly in the states. Looking at games like MTG, which are international, bring in great money. Perhaps more promotion in Canada would be great. I noticed that there are only a few spots in Manitoba and one spot in Ontario that really have tourneys and playgroups. If I had more experience and more know how, I'd bring this game to NB and make it my goal to make sure the whole province plays it. (For those of you that don't know, New Brunswick isn't a very big province lol) Also, since the Atlantic provinces are smaller and close together, the potential to spread the game is greater. Basically, and untouched market with a lot of churches and a lot of youth.
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Ban Gatorade!
sorry guardian, i had to dislike your comment for this reason;
ever since when i first started this game, there has been one drink to me that goes together with the game like peanut butter and jelly and thats gatorade or powerade. its weird ik but still, powerade/gatorade and redemption just click to me cause while im playing the game i love, i take a drink of powerade or gatorade to help keep me focused and just get me in the zone when im playing. in my mind, powerade/gatorade is the drink of redemption.
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Ban Gatorade!
sorry guardian, i had to dislike your comment for this reason;
ever since when i first started this game, there has been one drink to me that goes together with the game like peanut butter and jelly and thats gatorade or powerade. its weird ik but still, powerade/gatorade and redemption just click to me cause while im playing the game i love, i take a drink of powerade or gatorade to help keep me focused and just get me in the zone when im playing. in my mind, powerade/gatorade is the drink of redemption.
Mountain Dew.
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Ban Gatorade!
sorry guardian, i had to dislike your comment for this reason;
ever since when i first started this game, there has been one drink to me that goes together with the game like peanut butter and jelly and thats gatorade or powerade. its weird ik but still, powerade/gatorade and redemption just click to me cause while im playing the game i love, i take a drink of powerade or gatorade to help keep me focused and just get me in the zone when im playing. in my mind, powerade/gatorade is the drink of redemption.
Mountain Dew.
powerade is just my choice. though i figure moutain dew is for video gamers not "redemptioneers" lol
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Powerade/Gatorade is for physical gaming. Mountain Dew is for nerd gaming.
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Powerade/Gatorade is for physical gaming. Mountain Dew is for nerd gaming.
but isnt redemptioneering considered "physical gaming" ;)