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Redemption Game Health Discussion and Solutions
agurthewise:
Its definitely not strictly 1 card type, though yes 95% of the cards are TC.
Sites like patmos, golgotha etc and many fortresses artifacts all can have similar speed implications to TC cards.
Still I'd be fine with just TC, I just think all cards is more elegant (makes more sense to explain to new players than just TC cards) and has less problematic loopholes.
Edit -
I do think Redemption should rotate again some day but at the rates new sets come out I expect that to be years out, and I think the ban list would be too long and too unpopular to fix the current state.
Thank you for the reply Sean, love the discussion!
Sean:
I do think it is very interesting that the whole idea of territory class came from special abilities such as Lydia's 'cannot be captured' not working unless in battle. I remember being one of the people musing about this all those years ago. We did have a small number of cards that had 'until discarded' wording like Death and Hades but for the most part the only stuff that was active outside battle were forts and arts and the occasional set aside enhancement. Then we got High Places which allowed certain enhancements to be played outside battle. Then we got territory class and everyone cheered...except Lydia because she isn't TC anyway! Now we are musing about territory class cards because of how OP they have become. We have come full circle and never even closed the Lydia loophole.
agurthewise:
100% agree.
#TCLydia!
CtheTree:
So I decided to reach out to Redemption Elder Mr.Hiatus and pick his brain about the state of the game directly. I realized something, many of us (including myself) writing here are relatively new to the game of Redemption and have a somewhat limited perspective on the full spectrum of the game. I especially wanted Mr.Hiatus's perspective because he is the lead for card design now and understands what is coming down the pipeline. He is more active than just about anyone in terms of deck building and thinking through the game. After my conversation with him I strongly believe the following: the game currently is very close to being healthy. We underestimate some of the full effect of rule changes that have already been made and new cards that have been printed and new cards coming in the future even ones in K/L. With this in mind I believe a change to the rules is not necessary at this point. Also I believe that one card needs to be banned: Numerous as the Stars. Earlier today in a conversation I called for Numerous, Matthew, and Denarius to be banned and for Star of Bethlehem to be errata'd. Once Numerous is gone though cards like Star of Bethlehem and Matthew become less problematic. Star of Bethlehem needs heroes to be super effective, without Numerous it does not have as many. Without Numerous decks are likely to run less colors making Matthew less problematic. Also Denarius is not broken because it requires running an emperor which frankly can be less than ideal in terms of deck building and can lead to a sub-optimal defense at points in terms of blocking. I truly believe what the game needs is for Numerous to be banned and then for the new cards that Mr. Hiatus and crashfach have been working on for K/L and the new set to hit print. At that point we will see the game arrive at a healthy point. The elders have set in motion much for the game to be healthy in terms of rule changes already. The game is close to where it needs to be.
agurthewise:
Adding my discord reply to CtheTree here too:
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I agree the game may be healthier in first turn balance than most people expect.
I think the game is currently unhealthy in the gameplay experience, specifically the new player experience.
With no resources the flurry of solitaire activity on turn 1 is extremely discouraging for a ton of players that I have run into.
My opinion (and obviously opinions arent facts, totally fine to disagree with me) is that the highest level of the game is not healthy to most new players. (Some of course will be fine with it and thrive)
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I do love discussion like this and I love your articles CtheTree, thanks!
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